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US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote 1
#23775549 - 10/27/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-cannabis-decriminalisation-vote-nationwide-marijuana-legalisation-a7379436.html
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California will vote over whether to make recreational marijuana use legal on 8 November
Alexandra Sims Tuesday 25 October 2016 20:42 BST
cannabis.jpg Legalisation of recreational cannabis has already taken place in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon and Washington Getty Images
The decriminalisation of recreational cannabis use in California could be a milestone towards ending the drug’s prohibition nationally, it has been suggested.
Alongside the presidential election, California will vote over whether to make recreational marijuana use legal on 8 November.
If approved, as polls suggest it will be, the Adult Use of Marijuana Act (AUMA) will allow adults aged over 21 to possess up to an ounce of marijuana and cultivate up to six plants for personal use, the National Organisation of the Reform of Marijuana Laws explains.
Legalisation of recreational cannabis has already taken place in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon and Washington, but experts believe decriminalisation in California could present a strong challenge to the federal government’s cannabis ban.
Gavin Newsom, the lieutenant governor of California and former mayor of San Francisco, told the New York Times: “If we’re successful, it’s the beginning of the end of the war on marijuana.
“If California moves, it will put more pressure on Mexico and Latin America writ large to reignite a debate on legalization there.”
David Bienenstock, head of content for High Times magazine, which gives information about marijuana and psychedelic drugs, told Business Insider he viewed the California vote as a “tipping point” towards national decriminalisation.
Massachusetts and Maine also have votes over initiatives to legalise cannabis due in November, while Arizona and Nevada are set to vote on recreational marijuana next month.
Currently, the federal government and its Drug Enforcement Administration classifies cannabis as a Schedule 1 drug, which are defined as having a “high potential for abuse” and are not an accepted medical treatment. Heroin is also classed as a Schedule 1 drug.
According to recent polls, the marijuana vote is likely to pass in California. Sixty per cent of Californians suggested the drug should be legal compared to 34 per cent who opposed the idea, according to Ballotpedia’s average of polls. Cannabis around the world
California is seen as a landmark state for marijuana legalisation due to its economic footing.
According to World Bank data, the state had the equivalent of the sixth largest economy in the world in 2015 and legalisation would allow the state to tap into the lucrative marijuana market.
Sales of marijuana will begin on 1 January 2018 if the vote is passed and are estimated to add an additional $1.5 billion into the marijuana market - bolstering an already thriving medicinal marijuana market. Let it Bern! Sanders Touts Cannabis Decriminilization in Wisconsin
By 2019, this figure could rise to nearly $3 billion and nearly $4 billion by 2020 if the vote passes, the Business Times reports, citing a report from New Frontier Data and ArcView Market Research.
Both the recreational and medicinal marijuana markets are predicted to swell to $22 billion in four years from $7 billion this year if California approves the legalisation, according to the Arcview Group, which links investors with cannabis companies.
“This is the vote heard round the world,” Arcview’s chief executive, Troy Dayton, told the New York Times. “What we’ve seen before has been tiny compared to what we are going to see in California.”
There has been a significant increase in the number of Americans using cannabis, rising from 21.9m in 2002 to 31.9m in 2014. The number of regular users doubled over the same period to 8.4m.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: 404] 1
#23775554 - 10/27/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Unfortunately federal cannabis legalisation wont happen with hillary as a president
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] 1
#23775595 - 10/27/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep she pretty much told the banks through email 'your piss is mine!"
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Konyap] 2
#23775615 - 10/27/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any states that legalize puts more pressure on the Feds ideally that would be all of them, but California would be huge because it is indeed one of the largest states in the country. An east coast state or two would be good too like Maine and Mass. Nevada and Arizona both got a shot.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: tdubz] 1
#23775816 - 10/27/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hope some major changes occur. I am sick and tired of living in fear of the cops because I choose to partake in a certain herb that they deem "bad".
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#23775902 - 10/27/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trump is against it just as well, he is pro DEA/POLICE 100% and they rely on drug war to fund there overtime/toys...
The more that states legalize, the harder the raids/asset forfiture will be enforced in states that do not legalize...
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: perikleous]
#23776022 - 10/27/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know what it would take for federal law to change, regarding cannabis. Washington revolves around who pays for their time. Lot's of old farts are gonna have to get older and die, for things to seriously relax. Just look at all the old farts that have been in politics since the Stone Age.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: The Mycologist]
#23776089 - 10/27/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Mycologist said: I hope some major changes occur. I am sick and tired of living in fear of the cops because I choose to partake in a certain herb that they deem "bad".
i think most drug users in general share this sentiment...
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23776150 - 10/27/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck AUMA. Vote NO on Prop 64. i-502 has ruined the medical marijuana system in Washington and AUMA is threatening to do the same thing in California. AUMA will destroy the medical system, making marijuana a recreational drug again with crazy regulation and taxation.
Did you know under AUMA, you will be required to purchase permits to grow marijuana indoor that will permit an inspector to come inspect your house at any time and for any reason. Denying the inspector entrance to your home will result in thousands in fines and possible jail time.
Furthermore, AUMA has outlined future mega licenses to be sold 5 years after passage which include unlimited acerage cannabis farms. These licenses are essentially the legal way that major corporations like Monsanto/Bayer will take over the marijuana industry. Home grows will come to an end, and major corporation will run the market. The smart, and quality growers will leave the state to pursue better legislation. Much the same as Washington. No more p2p, no more cannabis cups, no more freedom. We want proper legislation not this joke!!
If you live in California, VOTE NO ON PROP 64
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23776166 - 10/27/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prop 64 is a pay to play system that will not benefit the people!! It is being heavily influenced by major corporations who will benefit from its passage. This legislation is not for the people! Vote NO
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23776195 - 10/27/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People that never tried herb feel it's bad because it's been illegal. Breaking rules is conditioned into people. If leaders say it's illegal then it's assumed to be wrong. Truth is it is bad to break the law. You can experience major negative punishments for getting convicted. People never learned from history. Leaders care for their own agenda, not yours.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23776296 - 10/27/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lukehighwalker710 said: Prop 64 is a pay to play system that will not benefit the people!! It is being heavily influenced by major corporations who will benefit from its passage. This legislation is not for the people! Vote NO
Do you think there is any chance it will pass and be modified before 5 years to even things out for small vs large ops?
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23776391 - 10/27/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The 5 years is only included in the legislation to give the false idea that smaller ops will have a head start that will help them over these mega licenses. Corporate licensing is inevitable if AUMA is passed.
Passed then modified to benefit smaller ops? Highly unlikely. They can charge millions for these mega licenses and corporations would be happy to pay for them, compared to small ops fighting to pay fees. When they can hand out 100 mega licenses for millions or 10,000 home permits for thousands the answer is obvious. They only care about the money.
Keep the legislation in favor and mind of the people.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23776410 - 10/27/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am just trying to be optimistic as last I heard it was looking like it would Pass.
I fully agree legalization needs to at least equally benefit small and large scale growers and it should really lean towards home grows to be fair.
Sadly money talks though...
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
#23776432 - 10/27/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In Washington, now that they have eliminated the medical market and closed down all the dispensaries and forced everything to be run on the recreational market, they have also eliminated home growing . Its now a felony to grow without a license in Washington. Don't let California follow in Washington misteps!
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23776868 - 10/27/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Voted no via absentee yesterday. Let's not water down a good industry as tobacco and alcohol. Keep it out of corporate hands and in the hills with the people.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Bikerfool]
#23776910 - 10/27/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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As a person who may or may not currently benefit fiscally from the prohibition of weed, I say legalize it. I would prefer to have my worries be associated with money or employment than be associated with police, jail, and a permanent record. How fucking hard is that to see? Apparently greed really gets in the way of perception.
Also, are you worried that your small grow is no longer going to support your lifestyle? Well, get a coalition of small growers together, file the paperwork (I know, it's so hard) and voila, you are a company and you can file for those large permits. Again, greed is the only thing preventing this from happening and it pisses me off.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23777043 - 10/27/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lukehighwalker710 said: In Washington, now that they have eliminated the medical market and closed down all the dispensaries and forced everything to be run on the recreational market, they have also eliminated home growing . Its now a felony to grow without a license in Washington. Don't let California follow in Washington misteps!
Yeah that if fucked up, I really hope they don't try that BS here in Oregon. I think too many people are in the industry now for them to get away with it.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23778545 - 10/27/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Californians want a proper bill that's why they haven't legalized yet, but what about those states that have nothing? Wouldn't you rather help the cause even if it means the system and tax regulation has to tighten up? You could be waiting around forever and a favorable proposition may never come up.
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#23778595 - 10/27/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lukehighwalker710 said: Fuck AUMA. Vote NO on Prop 64.
AUMA is awesome - Vote YES on Prop 64!
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AUMA will destroy the medical system, making marijuana a recreational drug again with crazy regulation and taxation.
AUMA does not change Prop 215.
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Did you know under AUMA, you will be required to purchase permits to grow marijuana indoor that will permit an inspector to come inspect your house at any time and for any reason. Denying the inspector entrance to your home will result in thousands in fines and possible jail time.
That's only true for commercial growers - under AUMA, every California resident will be allowed to grow 6 plants, and keep all the marijuana that they produce.
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Furthermore, AUMA has outlined future mega licenses to be sold 5 years after passage which include unlimited acerage cannabis farms. These licenses are essentially the legal way that major corporations like Monsanto/Bayer will take over the marijuana industry. Home grows will come to an end, and major corporation will run the market. The smart, and quality growers will leave the state to pursue better legislation. Much the same as Washington. No more p2p, no more cannabis cups, no more freedom. We want proper legislation not this joke!!
These theoretical bad things are eclipsed by real world bad things that happen every day under prohibition.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#23778634 - 10/27/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you mean prohibition in California? Since 2010 small amounts of cannabis have been decriminalized. 18+ and you can have up to an ounce and face a civil infraction. California also already has an established medical system to allow for cultivation and possession of large amounts for those who need it.
Moreover, under AUMA you need to be 21 to possess any amount or face possible jail time. It would also be a felony to pass a joint from a 21 year old to a 20 year old. I see more problems, for college aged kids especially.
Read the legislation carefully people, before making your decision.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23778708 - 10/27/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still we are talking about allowing for recreational marijuana here.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: perikleous]
#23778986 - 10/28/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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perikleous said: Trump is against it just as well, he is pro DEA/POLICE 100% and they rely on drug war to fund there overtime/toys...
The more that states legalize, the harder the raids/asset forfiture will be enforced in states that do not legalize...
I dont think trump will win the election thats why i was talking about clinton
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
#23779534 - 10/28/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I was a California voter I would vote for it. It's not a bad law and there is always time to pass additional measures for improvement.
In Ohio things suck bad. The so called medical law doesn't allow smoking herb or home growing. From what I have heard patients cannot even possess dried flowers.
If we had a law like Cali might pass, you could always grow more plants. Personally I think it should be square feet limits for outdoors and wattage for indoors. Plant numbers don't increase yield under the same wattage. However, plant numbers do decrease veg time making the operation cheaper and quicker. Veg is the most expensive stage of growth.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710] 1
#23780015 - 10/28/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lukehighwalker710 said: Fuck AUMA. Vote NO on Prop 64. i-502 has ruined the medical marijuana system in Washington and AUMA is threatening to do the same thing in California. AUMA will destroy the medical system, making marijuana a recreational drug again with crazy regulation and taxation.
Did you know under AUMA, you will be required to purchase permits to grow marijuana indoor that will permit an inspector to come inspect your house at any time and for any reason. Denying the inspector entrance to your home will result in thousands in fines and possible jail time.
Furthermore, AUMA has outlined future mega licenses to be sold 5 years after passage which include unlimited acerage cannabis farms. These licenses are essentially the legal way that major corporations like Monsanto/Bayer will take over the marijuana industry. Home grows will come to an end, and major corporation will run the market. The smart, and quality growers will leave the state to pursue better legislation. Much the same as Washington. No more p2p, no more cannabis cups, no more freedom. We want proper legislation not this joke!!
If you live in California, VOTE NO ON PROP 64
My understanding is that you can still grow your own herb under this law. You can still boycott these corporations if the law were passed and they "took over" the industry. Seems like you don't want recreational cannabis legalized because legitimate businesses would start cutting into your profits.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#23780121 - 10/28/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wrong. I don't want unlimited acerage farms filled with GMO marijuana to flood the market with lower quality products. Recreational stores are a joke and a lot of the quality I've seen from them is sad. Most medical cultivators grow with the intent of quality medicine. Industry grows with the intent of money. That's all they care about.
Yes California needs legislation, but it needs proper legislation not this garbage! Don't rush into voting for it because you think its A step in the right direction.. It needs to be THE step. AUMA has problems. And they aren't going to be fixed once its passed.. The time to address these issues is now.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23780170 - 10/28/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You would rather everyday marijuana users face prosecution from the law because you're worried about some reggie dominating the market, not even taking into account that quality medicine will still be available and can be grown independently. Caregivers can still grow with the intent of quality medicine. I can think of no other reason you and the MMJ industry would be against legislation other than profit.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#23780184 - 10/28/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: You would rather everyday marijuana users face prosecution from the law because you're worried about some reggie dominating the market, not even taking into account that quality medicine will still be available and can be grown independently. Caregivers can still grow with the intent of quality medicine. I can think of no other reason you and the MMJ industry would be against legislation other than profit.
I assume you missed the part where a 21 year old smoking with a 20 year old would be a felony...
Sounds like this could make persecution more likely to me but I am not from Cali so I haven't looked into it much
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
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And like I already said earlier, everyday marijuana users in California don't fear prosecution as it is. you can already carry up to an ounce and the penalty would be a civil infraction. No crime. Aka decriminalized.. And that's 18+. New law would be 21+ meaning more prosecution for 18-20 year olds.
Btw I don't even grow. I stand nothing to profit. But I'm a daily consumer, dare I say connesuer. And I would hate to see such a problem riddled piece of legislation passed and fuck things up for the future of this wonderful plant.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23780702 - 10/28/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If California had legalized it in 2012 you guys would have fixed the issues by now. Instead you're choosing to fall behind another four years while the other states catch on to making cannabis a legitimate and thriving business. I don't live in California though so I know nothing of the struggles of decriminalized pot.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#23780768 - 10/28/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: If California had legalized it in 2012 you guys would have fixed the issues by now. Instead you're choosing to fall behind another four years while the other states catch on to making cannabis a legitimate and thriving business. I don't live in California though so I know nothing of the struggles of decriminalized pot.
Or the industry would already be in the iron grip of huge corporations... Tons of people grow and make a living growing in Cali already.
How can you say they need a law like this to pass for it to become a "legit and thriving business" when it already is for many small to medium scale growers...
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#23780901 - 10/28/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People could just simply not buy from big corporations, I imagine it wouldn't be hard especially if you can just grow your own or shop locally. I think corporations having an "iron grip" on the industry (as if California growers don't already have a stranglehold on the illicit pot market already) is a small price to pay for legal pot. I am stunned that there are pot smokers who would willingly squander the chance to spit in the face of the federal government and taking a stand against prohibition.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#23781057 - 10/28/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah that has worked great with alcohol and tobacco 
Cannabis is already essentially legal on the whole west coast Maybe I am missing something but I fail to see how this will improve the situation much.
The cannabis legalization movement has already gained a ton of momentum, I imagine it will end up legal regardless of if this cali law passes....
As others have said we need to take the time to make sure it gets implemented properly, making it so you can get a felony for smoking with a 20 year old is not progress.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
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Don't have to get your tobacco from a corporation and you can make your own wine. Also don't smoke with 20 year olds
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
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Tobacco has to be purchased at 18, Alcohol and Marijuana are more on the same level I don't see why possessing marijuana shouldn't be for adults. I don't think it should be a felony though just like buying alcohol or tobacco isn't for someone underage.
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tdubz said: Tobacco has to be purchased at 18, Alcohol and Marijuana are more on the same level I don't see why possessing marijuana shouldn't be for adults. I don't think it should be a felony though just like buying alcohol or tobacco isn't for someone underage.
18 is completely reasonable, 21 seems excessive. This law will probably lead to a lot of college kids being charged for smoking weed with their friends.
People can buy so much shit online now that if someone wants to get stoned by the time their 20 they will just buy synth noids online or some shit if buds illegal...
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: tdubz]
#23781247 - 10/28/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You could still get your medical card. The under 21 felony charge would be easy to get around plus I doubt cops will actively pursue those charges anyway. There's a ton of benefits for legal marijuana, plus those who need it medically (lol) can still acquire it and even grow their own. The market would be expanded greatly and it would bring a ton of much needed revenue to the state. The only people who are against it seem to be active in the MMJ industry who don't want any competition. Whatever your definition of progress is, voting for prohibition is not progress no matter how you look at it.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#23781350 - 10/28/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't understand how voting against AUMA is voting for prohibition. Adult possession of cannabis in California is not a crime. Its been decriminalized for years now. And the ability to get your medical card and cultivate even longer.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23781355 - 10/28/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the point many people are making (and me) is that recreational marijuana in california would help turn the tide on prohibition in the United States. Pretty sure everyone knows it's pretty much legal there.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: tdubz]
#23781414 - 10/28/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If they're supposed to be the influencing model, then we better make damn sure its a good model for the rest of the states to follow! Not drag along these problems! They need to be addressed now.
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lukehighwalker710 said: I don't understand how voting against AUMA is voting for prohibition.
The prison industry does, and they are fighting the AUMA hard. Are you sure you want to be on the same side of this issue as the police and prisons, both of who make money locking people up?
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Adult possession of cannabis in California is not a crime. Its been decriminalized for years now. And the ability to get your medical card and cultivate even longer.
People should not have to lie to a doctor to be able to buy weed legally and carry it around. Also, the smell of weed should not be probable cause for a search.
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lukehighwalker710 said: I don't understand how voting against AUMA is voting for prohibition. Adult possession of cannabis in California is not a crime. Its been decriminalized for years now. And the ability to get your medical card and cultivate even longer.
Bullshit. Adult possession of cannabis IS A CRIME. It is an infraction subject to a fine. That is not the same as legal. Legal is like possession of beer if you are over 21. No fine, no citiation.
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Decriminalization of marijuana, which treats the possession of small amounts of the drug as a civil, rather than a criminal, offense, was established in July 1975 when the Legislature passed Senate Bill 95, the Moscone Act.[11][13][14][15] SB 95 made possession of one ounce (28.5 grams) of marijuana a misdemeanor punishable by a $100 fine[16] (with the assessments added to fines in California, this will total about $480), with higher punishments for amounts greater than one ounce, for possession on school grounds, or for cultivation.[17]
Proposition 36 (also known as the Substance Abuse and Crime Prevention Act of 2000) was approved by 61% of voters, requiring that "first- and second-offense drug violators be sent to drug treatment programs instead of facing trial and possible incarceration."[18] Marijuana remains decriminalized in California today.[17]
On September 30, 2010, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law CA State Senate Bill 1449, effectively reducing the charge of possession of up to one ounce of cannabis from a misdemeanor to a violation, similar to a traffic violation, with a $100 fine and no mandatory court appearance or criminal record.[1] The law became effective January 1, 2011.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Gravity]
#23782850 - 10/29/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The bullshit about cannabis legalization is the won't allow felons to grow commercially. A felon can get a brewing and distilling lisence from the Feds.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23782854 - 10/29/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not legal, no. But that's not what I said. Decriminalized, yes. Legalization, at least under AUMA, has many more problems than benefits to the state of California.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23782870 - 10/29/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The prison industry does, and they are fighting the AUMA hard. Are you sure you want to be on the same side of this issue as the police and prisons, both of who make money locking people up?
Yes, I'm sure. Problem riddled legislation..
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People should not have to lie to a doctor to be able to buy weed legally and carry it around. Also, the smell of weed should not be probable cause for a search.
Its stupidly easy to get a recommendation, often not even requiring lying. But I get your point, yes we shouldn't be punished for enjoying cannabis however we need more appropriate legislation. Just because this bill accomplishes one goal, we shouldn't overlook the many problems it'll bring along. The smell of weed for probable search bit is a good one for future legislation though I would agree!
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Morel Guy]
#23783135 - 10/29/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: The bullshit about cannabis legalization is the won't allow felons to grow commercially. A felon can get a brewing and distilling lisence from the Feds.
The AUMA, prop 64 allows drug felons to get Cannabis cultivation licenses.
Vote yes on prop 64!
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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That's cool. I was generally speaking as in Ohio felons cannot even work a grow site. My family owns land and was going to put 14 acres to cultivation. I got a record which was strangely about growing weed. Plus it's a federal crime and wouldn't risk family with that!
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
#23783839 - 10/29/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lukehighwalker710 said: In Washington, now that they have eliminated the medical market and closed down all the dispensaries and forced everything to be run on the recreational market, they have also eliminated home growing . Its now a felony to grow without a license in Washington. Don't let California follow in Washington misteps!
Yet home raids are minimal. I just came from Washington. People grow a few plants there like it's no big deal. Is it not worth the courts time to bust people for small amounts?
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
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lukehighwalker710 said: Not legal, no. But that's not what I said. Decriminalized, yes. Legalization, at least under AUMA, has many more problems than benefits to the state of California.
No, it doesn't. This law allows responsible adults to possess and smoke marijuana and to legally cultivate it in their homes. CA also stands to benefit greatly from much needed tax revenues. Marijuana doesn't need to be decriminalized it needs to be legal.
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#23784008 - 10/29/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pot smokers voting against legal pot LOL
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#23784081 - 10/29/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ONE OZ SLUG said: Pot smokers voting against legal pot LOL
When you find yourself on the same side of an issue like marijuana legalization as the prison guards, that's a pretty clear sign that it's time to rethink things.
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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my two cents. After this November, it's likely the S will HTF and go everywhere, nobody will dodge a nice brown chunk and stain. By next November, you could have 10 foot cannabis trees in your back yard right next to the tomatoes and no one will give a damn. You'll be growing it not because you want cash or to get high, but to trade for other things like bread, beans and butter and use it as medication. Also it's very likely BO will federally decriminalize it sometime in late November or early December, not because of the legalization by states, but because the LEOs and intelligence resources used for it's enforcement will be needed for other more pressing matters. Before the end you'll probably be wishing you were born Amish. It's gonna get real.
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#23784702 - 10/30/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A few Amish grow dope and it's great!
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Morel Guy]
#23789785 - 10/31/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The legalization terms seem like a great start, they can always be adjusted over the years
There's no way pot will be legalized under perfect terms off the bat, that's a pipe dream, for public relations sake no state or the feds would do that. They have to appease the average voter as well as potheads.
This fear of corporations some people have is ridiculous, corporations will get into everything inevitably, loosen up your buttholes, there are a good number of thriving small-time pot shops in WA. You can sell yourself without a license and the cops won't give a shit, etc.
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Good job doing your part as an anti-legalization propaganda tool
The corrupt pharmaceutical, prison and law enforcement agencies are proud
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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Repertoire89]
#23791049 - 11/01/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol prison actually makes sense I suppose. But big pharma?? They're all for Prop 64. Haven't you been paying attention to anything I've said??
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Big pharma is not Big Agriculture. How many pharmaceutical companies can you name that are currently involved in agriculture? These guys will have a lot of catching up to do if they want to grow good weed. Nobody has been doing it longer than California growers.
This fear that somehow the large corporations will "take over" is ridiculous. Fist of all, Proposition 64 gives some protection to small growers. And secondly, please allow me to bring your attention to two thriving entrepreneurial industries - MICROBREW BEER and BOUTIQUE WINE. Listen, I know I can buy cheap, mass-produced beer but, God help me, I always buy Sierra Nevada, or Laganitus, Or Bear Republic, or Drakes, etc., etc. The same for wine. Sure I could buy jugs of Earnest and Gallo, but somehow I always buy a wine that tastes good.
The same is going to be true of weed as soon as it is legalized. Will big companies like Marlboro, for example, want to get a piece of the action? Almost certainly. But it doesn't mean that you'll have to BUY that shit. (No offense to anybody that happens to like Marlboro. I really couldn't care less.)
Prop 64 also gives tens of thousands of people the chance to reduce their criminal sentence or be released from prison. The legalization of pot will become retroactive meaning that growers and small-time dealers that got busted in the past can have their sentences reduced. How can you be against that?
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Because people won't be able to get their medical marijuana with legal marijuana
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Yes I was.
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