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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23778634 - 10/27/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What do you mean prohibition in California? Since 2010 small amounts of cannabis have been decriminalized. 18+ and you can have up to an ounce and face a civil infraction. California also already has an established medical system to allow for cultivation and possession of large amounts for those who need it.

Moreover, under AUMA you need to be 21 to possess any amount or face possible jail time. It would also be a felony to pass a joint from a 21 year old to a 20 year old. I see more problems, for college aged kids especially.



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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23778708 - 10/27/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Still we are talking about allowing for recreational marijuana here.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: perikleous]
    #23778986 - 10/28/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump is against it just as well, he is pro DEA/POLICE 100% and they rely on drug war to fund there overtime/toys...

The more that states legalize, the harder the raids/asset forfiture will be enforced in states that do not legalize...




I dont think trump will win the election thats why i was talking about clinton


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23779534 - 10/28/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If I was a California voter I would vote for it.  It's not a bad law and there is always time to pass additional measures for improvement. 

In Ohio things suck bad.  The so called medical law doesn't allow smoking herb or home growing.  From what I have heard patients cannot even possess dried flowers.

If we had a law like Cali might pass, you could always grow more plants.  Personally I think it should be square feet limits for outdoors and wattage for indoors.  Plant numbers don't increase yield under the same wattage.  However, plant numbers do decrease veg time making the operation cheaper and quicker.  Veg is the most expensive stage of growth.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710] * 1
    #23780015 - 10/28/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fuck AUMA. Vote NO on Prop 64. i-502 has ruined the medical marijuana system in Washington and AUMA is threatening to do the same thing in California. AUMA will destroy the medical system, making marijuana a recreational drug again with crazy regulation and taxation.

Did you know under AUMA, you will be required to purchase permits to grow marijuana indoor that will permit an inspector to come inspect your house at any time and for any reason. Denying the inspector entrance to your home will result in thousands in fines and possible jail time.

Furthermore, AUMA has outlined future mega licenses to be sold 5 years after passage which include unlimited acerage cannabis farms. These licenses are essentially the legal way that major corporations like Monsanto/Bayer will take over the marijuana industry. Home grows will come to an end, and major corporation will run the market. The smart, and quality growers will leave the state to pursue better legislation. Much the same as Washington. No more p2p, no more cannabis cups, no more freedom. We want proper legislation not this joke!!

If you live in California, VOTE NO ON PROP 64



My understanding is that you can still grow your own herb under this law.  You can still boycott these corporations if the law were passed and they "took over" the industry.  Seems like you don't want recreational cannabis legalized because legitimate businesses would start cutting into your profits.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23780121 - 10/28/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wrong. I don't want unlimited acerage farms filled with GMO marijuana to flood the market with lower quality products. Recreational stores are a joke and a lot of the quality I've seen from them is sad. Most medical cultivators grow with the intent of quality medicine. Industry grows with the intent of money. That's all they care about.

Yes California needs legislation, but it needs proper legislation not this garbage! Don't rush into voting for it because you think its A step in the right direction.. It needs to be THE step. AUMA has problems. And they aren't going to be fixed once its passed.. The time to address these issues is now.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23780170 - 10/28/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You would rather everyday marijuana users face prosecution from the law because you're worried about some reggie dominating the market, not even taking into account that quality medicine will still be available and can be grown independently.  Caregivers can still grow with the intent of quality medicine.  I can think of no other reason you and the MMJ industry would be against legislation other than profit.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23780184 - 10/28/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You would rather everyday marijuana users face prosecution from the law because you're worried about some reggie dominating the market, not even taking into account that quality medicine will still be available and can be grown independently.  Caregivers can still grow with the intent of quality medicine.  I can think of no other reason you and the MMJ industry would be against legislation other than profit.




I assume you missed the part where a 21 year old smoking with a 20 year old would be a felony...

Sounds like this could make persecution more likely to me but I am not from Cali so I haven't looked into it much :shrug:


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
    #23780263 - 10/28/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

And like I already said earlier, everyday marijuana users in California don't fear prosecution as it is. :confused: you can already carry up to an ounce and the penalty would be a civil infraction. No crime. Aka decriminalized.. And that's 18+. New law would be 21+ meaning more prosecution for 18-20 year olds.

Btw I don't even grow. I stand nothing to profit. But I'm a daily consumer, dare I say connesuer. And I would hate to see such a problem riddled piece of legislation passed and fuck things up for the future of this wonderful plant.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23780702 - 10/28/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If California had legalized it in 2012 you guys would have fixed the issues by now.  Instead you're choosing to fall behind another four years while the other states catch on to making cannabis a legitimate and thriving business.  I don't live in California though so I know nothing of the struggles of decriminalized pot.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23780768 - 10/28/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If California had legalized it in 2012 you guys would have fixed the issues by now.  Instead you're choosing to fall behind another four years while the other states catch on to making cannabis a legitimate and thriving business.  I don't live in California though so I know nothing of the struggles of decriminalized pot.




Or the industry would already be in the iron grip of huge corporations... Tons of people grow and make a living growing in Cali already.

How can you say they need a law like this to pass for it to become a "legit and thriving business" when it already is for many small to medium scale growers...


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23780901 - 10/28/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People could just simply not buy from big corporations, I imagine it wouldn't be hard especially if you can just grow your own or shop locally.  I think corporations having an "iron grip" on the industry (as if California growers don't already have a stranglehold on the illicit pot market already) is a small price to pay for legal pot.  I am stunned that there are pot smokers who would willingly squander the chance to spit in the face of the federal government and taking a stand against prohibition.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23781057 - 10/28/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah that has worked great with alcohol and tobacco :rolleyes:

Cannabis is already essentially legal on the whole west coast :lol: Maybe I am missing something but I fail to see how this will improve the situation much.

The cannabis legalization movement has already gained a ton of momentum, I imagine it will end up legal regardless of if this cali law passes....

As others have said we need to take the time to make sure it gets implemented properly, making it so you can get a felony for smoking with a 20 year old is not progress.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
    #23781140 - 10/28/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Don't have to get your tobacco from a corporation and you can make your own wine. Also don't smoke with 20 year olds :shrug:


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
    #23781212 - 10/28/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Tobacco has to be purchased at 18, Alcohol and Marijuana are more on the same level I don't see why possessing marijuana shouldn't be for adults. I don't think it should be a felony though just like buying alcohol or tobacco isn't for someone underage.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: tdubz]
    #23781221 - 10/28/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Tobacco has to be purchased at 18, Alcohol and Marijuana are more on the same level I don't see why possessing marijuana shouldn't be for adults. I don't think it should be a felony though just like buying alcohol or tobacco isn't for someone underage.




18 is completely reasonable, 21 seems excessive. This law will probably lead to a lot of college kids being charged for smoking weed with their friends.

People can buy so much shit online now that if someone wants to get stoned by the time their 20 they will just buy synth noids online or some shit if buds illegal...


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: tdubz]
    #23781247 - 10/28/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You could still get your medical card.  The under 21 felony charge would be easy to get around plus I doubt cops will actively pursue those charges anyway.  There's a ton of benefits for legal marijuana, plus those who need it medically (lol) can still acquire it and even grow their own.  The market would be expanded greatly and it would bring a ton of much needed revenue to the state.  The only people who are against it seem to be active in the MMJ industry who don't want any competition.  Whatever your definition of progress is, voting for prohibition is not progress no matter how you look at it.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23781350 - 10/28/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand how voting against AUMA is voting for prohibition. Adult possession of cannabis in California is not a crime. Its been decriminalized for years now. And the ability to get your medical card and cultivate even longer.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23781355 - 10/28/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think the point many people are making (and me) is that recreational marijuana in california would help turn the tide on prohibition in the United States. Pretty sure everyone knows it's pretty much legal there.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: tdubz]
    #23781414 - 10/28/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If they're supposed to be the influencing model, then we better make damn sure its a good model for the rest of the states to follow! Not drag along these problems! They need to be addressed now.


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