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US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote * 1
    #23775549 - 10/27/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-cannabis-decriminalisation-vote-nationwide-marijuana-legalisation-a7379436.html


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California will vote over whether to make recreational marijuana use legal on 8 November

    Alexandra Sims
    Tuesday 25 October 2016 20:42 BST

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The decriminalisation of recreational cannabis use in California could be a milestone towards ending the drug’s prohibition nationally, it has been suggested.

Alongside the presidential election, California will vote over whether to make recreational marijuana use legal on 8 November.

If approved, as polls suggest it will be, the Adult Use of Marijuana Act (AUMA) will allow adults aged over 21 to possess up to an ounce of marijuana and cultivate up to six plants for personal use, the National Organisation of the Reform of Marijuana Laws explains.

Legalisation of recreational cannabis has already taken place in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon and Washington, but experts believe decriminalisation in California could present a strong challenge to the federal government’s cannabis ban.

Gavin Newsom, the lieutenant governor of California and former mayor of San Francisco, told the New York Times: “If we’re successful, it’s the beginning of the end of the war on marijuana.

“If California moves, it will put more pressure on Mexico and Latin America writ large to reignite a debate on legalization there.”

David Bienenstock, head of content for High Times magazine, which gives information about marijuana and psychedelic drugs, told Business Insider he viewed the California vote as a “tipping point” towards national decriminalisation.

Massachusetts and Maine also have votes over initiatives to legalise cannabis due in November, while Arizona and Nevada are set to vote on recreational marijuana next month.

Currently, the federal government and its Drug Enforcement Administration classifies cannabis as a Schedule 1 drug, which are defined as having a “high potential for abuse” and are not an accepted medical treatment. Heroin is also classed as a Schedule 1 drug.

According to recent polls, the marijuana vote is likely to pass in California. Sixty per cent of Californians suggested the drug should be legal compared to 34 per cent who opposed the idea, according to Ballotpedia’s average of polls.
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California is seen as a landmark state for marijuana legalisation due to its economic footing.

According to World Bank data, the state had the equivalent of the sixth largest economy in the world in 2015 and legalisation would allow the state to tap into the lucrative marijuana market.

Sales of marijuana will begin on 1 January 2018 if the vote is passed and are estimated to add an additional $1.5 billion into the marijuana market - bolstering an already thriving medicinal marijuana market.
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By 2019, this figure could rise to nearly $3 billion and nearly $4 billion by 2020 if the vote passes, the Business Times reports, citing a report from New Frontier Data and ArcView Market Research.

Both the recreational and medicinal marijuana markets are predicted to swell to $22 billion in four years from $7 billion this year if California approves the legalisation, according to the Arcview Group, which links investors with cannabis companies.

“This is the vote heard round the world,” Arcview’s chief executive, Troy Dayton, told the New York Times. “What we’ve seen before has been tiny compared to what we are going to see in California.”

There has been a significant increase in the number of Americans using cannabis, rising from 21.9m in 2002 to 31.9m in 2014. The number of regular users doubled over the same period to 8.4m.




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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: 404] * 1
    #23775554 - 10/27/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Unfortunately federal cannabis legalisation wont happen with hillary as a president


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] * 1
    #23775595 - 10/27/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yep she pretty much told the banks through email 'your piss is mine!"


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #23775615 - 10/27/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Any states that legalize puts more pressure on the Feds ideally that would be all of them, but California would be huge because it is indeed one of the largest states in the country. An east coast state or two would be good too like Maine and Mass. Nevada and Arizona both got a shot.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #23775816 - 10/27/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I hope some major changes occur. I am sick and tired of living in fear of the cops because I choose to partake in a certain herb that they deem "bad".


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23775902 - 10/27/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Trump is against it just as well, he is pro DEA/POLICE 100% and they rely on drug war to fund there overtime/toys...

The more that states legalize, the harder the raids/asset forfiture will be enforced in states that do not legalize...


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: perikleous]
    #23776022 - 10/27/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know what it would take for federal law to change, regarding cannabis.  Washington revolves around who pays for their time.  Lot's of old farts are gonna have to get older and die, for things to seriously relax.  Just look at all the old farts that have been in politics since the Stone Age.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23776089 - 10/27/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I hope some major changes occur. I am sick and tired of living in fear of the cops because I choose to partake in a certain herb that they deem "bad".




i think most drug users in general share this sentiment...


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23776150 - 10/27/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck AUMA. Vote NO on Prop 64. i-502 has ruined the medical marijuana system in Washington and AUMA is threatening to do the same thing in California. AUMA will destroy the medical system, making marijuana a recreational drug again with crazy regulation and taxation.

Did you know under AUMA, you will be required to purchase permits to grow marijuana indoor that will permit an inspector to come inspect your house at any time and for any reason. Denying the inspector entrance to your home will result in thousands in fines and possible jail time.

Furthermore, AUMA has outlined future mega licenses to be sold 5 years after passage which include unlimited acerage cannabis farms. These licenses are essentially the legal way that major corporations like Monsanto/Bayer will take over the marijuana industry. Home grows will come to an end, and major corporation will run the market. The smart, and quality growers will leave the state to pursue better legislation. Much the same as Washington. No more p2p, no more cannabis cups, no more freedom. We want proper legislation not this joke!!

If you live in California, VOTE NO ON PROP 64


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23776166 - 10/27/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Prop 64 is a pay to play system that will not benefit the people!! It is being heavily influenced by major corporations who will benefit from its passage. This legislation is not for the people! Vote NO


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23776195 - 10/27/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People that never tried herb feel it's bad because it's been illegal.  Breaking rules is conditioned into people.  If leaders say it's illegal then it's assumed to be wrong.  Truth is it is bad to break the law.  You can experience major negative punishments for getting convicted.  People never learned from history.  Leaders care for their own agenda, not yours.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23776296 - 10/27/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Prop 64 is a pay to play system that will not benefit the people!! It is being heavily influenced by major corporations who will benefit from its passage. This legislation is not for the people! Vote NO




Do you think there is any chance it will pass and be modified before 5 years to even things out for small vs large ops?


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23776391 - 10/27/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The 5 years is only included in the legislation to give the false idea that smaller ops will have a head start that will help them over these mega licenses. Corporate licensing is inevitable if AUMA is passed.

Passed then modified to benefit smaller ops? Highly unlikely. They can charge millions for these mega licenses and corporations would be happy to pay for them, compared to small ops fighting to pay fees.  When they can hand out 100 mega licenses for millions or 10,000 home permits for thousands the answer is obvious. They only care about the money.

Keep the legislation in favor and mind of the people.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23776410 - 10/27/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am just trying to be optimistic as last I heard it was looking like it would Pass.

I fully agree legalization needs to at least equally benefit small and large scale growers and it should really lean towards home grows to be fair.

Sadly money talks though...


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: musiclover420]
    #23776432 - 10/27/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In Washington, now that they have eliminated the medical market and closed down all the dispensaries and forced everything to be run on the recreational market, they have also eliminated home growing . Its now a felony to grow without a license in Washington. Don't let California follow in Washington misteps!


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23776868 - 10/27/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Voted no via absentee yesterday. Let's not water down a good industry as tobacco and alcohol. Keep it out of corporate hands and in the hills with the people.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: Bikerfool]
    #23776910 - 10/27/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

As a person who may or may not currently benefit fiscally from the prohibition of weed, I say legalize it.  I would prefer to have my worries be associated with money or employment than be associated with police, jail, and a permanent record.  How fucking hard is that to see?  Apparently greed really gets in the way of perception.

Also, are you worried that your small grow is no longer going to support your lifestyle?  Well, get a coalition of small growers together, file the paperwork (I know, it's so hard) and voila, you are a company and you can file for those large permits.  Again, greed is the only thing preventing this from happening and it pisses me off.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23777043 - 10/27/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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In Washington, now that they have eliminated the medical market and closed down all the dispensaries and forced everything to be run on the recreational market, they have also eliminated home growing . Its now a felony to grow without a license in Washington. Don't let California follow in Washington misteps!




Yeah that if fucked up, I really hope they don't try that BS here in Oregon. I think too many people are in the industry now for them to get away with it.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23778545 - 10/27/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Californians want a proper bill that's why they haven't legalized yet, but what about those states that have nothing? Wouldn't you rather help the cause even if it means the system and tax regulation has to tighten up? You could be waiting around forever and a favorable proposition may never come up.


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Re: US 'could legalise cannabis across country' in wake of California decriminalisation vote [Re: lukehighwalker710] * 3
    #23778595 - 10/27/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fuck AUMA. Vote NO on Prop 64.




AUMA is awesome - Vote YES on Prop 64!

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AUMA will destroy the medical system, making marijuana a recreational drug again with crazy regulation and taxation.




AUMA does not change Prop 215.

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Did you know under AUMA, you will be required to purchase permits to grow marijuana indoor that will permit an inspector to come inspect your house at any time and for any reason. Denying the inspector entrance to your home will result in thousands in fines and possible jail time.





That's only true for commercial growers - under AUMA, every California resident will be allowed to grow 6 plants, and keep all the marijuana that they produce. 


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Furthermore, AUMA has outlined future mega licenses to be sold 5 years after passage which include unlimited acerage cannabis farms. These licenses are essentially the legal way that major corporations like Monsanto/Bayer will take over the marijuana industry. Home grows will come to an end, and major corporation will run the market. The smart, and quality growers will leave the state to pursue better legislation. Much the same as Washington. No more p2p, no more cannabis cups, no more freedom. We want proper legislation not this joke!!




These theoretical bad things are eclipsed by real world bad things that happen every day under prohibition.


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