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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly]
    #23779484 - 10/28/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

so if they are discriminating between concepts, don't you think that they have to perceive the concepts prior to discrimination?

This establishes a progression through several dependent associative memory events:

(A)
1. experience a thing with another thing - enable association
2. re-experience the pair - establish association
3. experience part of the thing - trigger association (THIS IS PERCEPTION)
(B)
experience other things that are similar but different which associates all the like things yet associates more strongly each experience with the "group" that has the most similar features, after the group that occurs most frequently.
(C)
All you have done is repackage a few things in your more complex terms and hide the real events.

to get more accurate I am afraid you have to be reborn as a worm.

discover what associative memory really is before building castles in the sky out of smoke.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23780426 - 10/28/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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so if they are discriminating between concepts, don't you think that they have to perceive the concepts prior to discrimination?



Yes, they have to perceive two separate concepts(model/rival) then learn to differentiate between them over time.

Associative memory or 'trigger associations' are a synonym for synchronicity which is the same as perception.

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Perception: the neurophysiological processes, including memory, by which an organism becomes aware of and interprets external stimuli.





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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23780645 - 10/28/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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sudly said:
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Associative memory or 'trigger associations' are a synonym for synchronicity which is the same as perception.
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the conclusions you jump to are terrible, association is not the same as synchronicity


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23780666 - 10/28/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Synchronicity is an unconscious association of two events.

I'm surprised you don't see that.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly]
    #23781332 - 10/28/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

why unconscious,
and if so then it is an example of association not the equivalent of all associations.
That would be the same as me saying you are Donald Trump,
since you are both an example of human beings,
therefore you are Donald Trump.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23781437 - 10/28/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because synchronicity is a process that occurs in the mind automatically.
It can be later introspected upon but a synchronistic idea itself originates automatically from associative memories.

A synonym doesn't have to mean the exact same thing but synchronicity is damn close to perception and associative memory.

Fine logic there RGV, I am Donald trump..


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23781881 - 10/29/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am sure you can get stoner types to believe anything you pester them with.

Just by being dogged about your approach you can chase them with bad ideas and those garbage thoughts will eventually echo in their minds and your work will be done.

good luck with your efforts.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23781898 - 10/29/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My intention is towards the scientific community and the purpose of this was simply to try and reduce how defensive some people become when this topic is brought up.

Thank you.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly] * 2
    #23782007 - 10/29/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

how do you plan on reaching the scientific community?

this is not one.

I predict think these ideas are not at all suitable for neurophysiology, neurology, embryology, anatomy, or any other discipline, and our forum is not a professional or scientific place in which to vett your theory.

BTW, scientists do not appreciate the abuse of scientific terms or any other inconsistencies, so that has to be removed from your thesis, but that includes about 90% of what you have put forth so far.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23783018 - 10/29/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Through the critique of university professors.

Of course this isn't a scientific community, it's a sandpit for voicing ideas and discussing them in order to further understand them.

These ideas are mostly suited to biology and psychology. I don't think embryology is involved.

Any good scientist follows the scientific method.
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The scientific method: a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.




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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly]
    #23783048 - 10/29/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Science is based upon the denial of experience.

If you affirm experience you are outside the domain of science.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23783069 - 10/29/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I intend to falsify that sentience is not tangible so it is far within the limits of science.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly]
    #23783107 - 10/29/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

vocabulary, acchh!
please get some vocabulary both of you.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23783115 - 10/29/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: sudly]
    #23784189 - 10/29/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You would need some sort of ego-loosening or mind-shattering event to really get your points across if they are indeed, points. Meaning empirical and objective.

If its nonsense it will remain comprehensiveble to only yourself, in which case, if I were in the same position, would revise my position.


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Re: How would you introduce someone to the concept of a biologically evolved consciousness? [Re: hTx]
    #23784204 - 10/30/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The points and context of this theory are aimed as solving questions related to the physical anatomy and mechanisms of human 'consciousness'.

It's an esoteric subject that involves physiology, biology and aspects of psychology which most people aren't interested in or knowledgeable in, hence why I intend to eventually get an accredited review/critique once I've gotten far enough.


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