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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23776092 - 10/27/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No, it's not. Evolution is accepted by all biologists. The people who peddle the conspiracy theories of which you speak have no expertise or qualification whatever.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Lucis]
    #23776106 - 10/27/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah man I used to get into that shit too but I had to stop because it really was making me crazy. All these terrible things going on that noone believes and I can't talk about. I stopped watching the news around the same time. There's nothing I can do about it and it takes a toll on my mental health.

I stick to a motto of question everything and believe only what you see through your own eyes. There are loads of conspiracies I never believe or disbelieve and I choose not to put much time into looking into them or thinking about them. Another motto I've adopted is to only worry about what's personally relevant to you. Or me in this case. The things that happen around the world are horrible and I hate it but if all you do is focus on the things you hate then you only become a hateful person.


I'm not down for that.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23776142 - 10/27/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That speaks badly of your ability to locate credible Information, it says nothing about conspiracy theories generally.





lol.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23776171 - 10/27/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i agree topdog.

Most are way too far fetched. Like all politicians are shape shifting reptile overlords. Come on.

Thats so over the top, it sounds like a sweet premise to a hollywood sci fi movie. Am i right or what Pris?


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23776179 - 10/27/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i agree topdog.

Most are way too far fetched. Like all politicians are shape shifting reptile overlords. Come on.

Thats so over the top, it sounds like a sweet premise to a hollywood sci fi movie. Am i right or what Pris?





everyone knows that obama and hillary are the only reptilians, they arent shape
shifters though, that's like some Xmen shit, they wear skin suits harvested from
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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23776190 - 10/27/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Let's not even get started on the X-men shit.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23776209 - 10/27/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Another motto I've adopted is to only worry about what's personally relevant to you. Or me in this case. The things that happen around the world are horrible and I hate it but if all you do is focus on the things you hate then you only become a hateful person.







You say you only worry about the things which are relevant to you, I think the problems which are all around this world are relevant to everyone, I just think that in some countries you don't see the issues as blatantly as in others. 

I don't think you have to hate a problem, but instead might be more beneficial to see that such a thing exists, recognize it for what it is, and see if there's something at all which you can do to help alleviate the negativity associated with it.  It seems easy to give into hate for truly deplorable acts, but I know those things are always going to be because of how humans are, perhaps not though.  It would be nice if I died some day and was able to continue to return so that I could help each person out of negative thought patterns, and such acts would not take place, or course that very derp of me to say so.

I am all of those kids starving in 3rd world countries, I am all of those people falling prey to horrendous crimes, how can I not feel their pain.

I see people take money and send it to other countries for starving people, but they don't look in their own back yards for the same thing which is happening all around them.  I think that if you wanted to make a larger impact, rather than sending some money to some 3rd world country, perhaps volunteer at a soup kitchen, or go buy $100 worth of hamburgers and pass them out to the the homeless, you know this way you're getting involved in something first hand, rather than just sending aid someplace and hoping somebody else applies your aid the best way possible.

I think the more we get involved first hand in trying to change the things around us, the better it makes us as individuals.  We can't fix it all, but we shouldn't stop trying to make some type of impact, no matter how small.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23776210 - 10/27/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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they arent shape
shifters though, that's like some Xmen shit,



Some transexuals are shape shifters and Ex-men.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Capers] * 1
    #23776217 - 10/27/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No, it's not. Evolution is accepted by all biologists. The people who peddle the conspiracy theories of which you speak have no expertise or qualification whatever.




The point is that you can't judge a sphere of human inquiry based on the fact that you have only encountered poor examples of it.

That's like saying because you have only heard people do math incorrectly you dismiss math itself.

A person saying 2+2=5 only invalidates himself, he doesn't invalidate math.

Just like a person saying the pope is Bigfoot in disguise and Hillary Clinton is Elvis doesn't in any way discredit conspiracy theories as a whole or in general.

There have been countless proven examples of real conspiracies in the past and there will be countless more in the future.

If you close your eyes to this fact you are a fool and only make it easier for people to decieve, oppress or victimize you.



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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: California]
    #23776221 - 10/27/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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California said:

Some transexuals are shape shifters and Ex-men.





That would be an awesome addition to the X-men, a tranny shapeshifter.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Lucis]
    #23776231 - 10/27/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Crystal G]
    #23776297 - 10/27/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Not all "conspiracy theories" were created equal.






Which ones do you believe then? What's a reasonable one?




Lol, Peyote Zen actually believes Sandy Hook was a false flag operation that never happened.



I've never looked into Sandy Hook but I hear it has the odor of conspiracy about it. Someone I implicitly trust who has looked into it and examined the evidence told me that the alleged gunman was declared dead with the social security administration the day before the event. If that is true then the alleged shooter, an already deceased man, was a patsy and fall guy for the real killers, at the very least. It could be an interesting research topic for motivated researchers.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #23776317 - 10/27/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And not all false flag shootings/mass killings are fake, just orchestrated internally. People actually die sometimes. (ie: 9/11 top floor jumpers)

Sandy Hoax is shady as fuck. Crisis actors, supposedly deceased kids not showing up in official records, etc.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23776357 - 10/27/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Sandy Hoax is shady as fuck. Crisis actors, supposedly deceased kids not showing up in official records, etc.




If you actually bothered to do a lick of research, you would easily be able to debunk what you posted. The deceased children DO show up in official records, if you bothered to type their names into: http://www.ssdi-search.com/

Here's a guy who does exactly that for every single one of the victims and proves this conspiracy theory wrong:

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-sandy-hook-victims-not-in-social-security-death-index-ssdi-official-death-records.t3186/


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82] * 2
    #23776455 - 10/27/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the problem with conspiracy theories generally, is that most rely on the 'well if it IS true, of course there'd be no proof' clause, which does make sense but is problematic because it means such theories are non-falsifiable and usually impossible to prove or disprove with the resources of a lone unaffiliated individual.

of course, not all conspiracy theories are created equal as peyotezen points out, many in the past have been true, many now are likely true. The vast majority though are rubbish so one has to be careful

a good rule of thumb is if a conspiracy theory requires the introduction of previously unknown or undiscovered forces -aliens, reptilians, bigfoot- you're probably best off discounting it right off the bat. If however a theory requires only the insidious barely-hidden agenda of a corrupt official or branch of government -such as the CIA selling cocaine to fund it's activities- it is much more deserving of attention


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #23776548 - 10/27/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Studying past conspiracies that have been proven to be real shows that they often follow a repeating logic.  Similar things are done by similar groups for similar reasons and in similar situations.  Understanding the conspiracies of yesterday will help you understand the events of today and tomorrow.

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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23776611 - 10/27/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Name one university professor who has expressed even an iota of support for any of the modern popular conspiracy theories (e.g., chem trails, 9/11, false flag mass shootings, fake moon landing, etc.). The only people espousing these "theories" have no credibility or qualifications. I never said that conspiracies are nonexistent, just that most conspiracy theories are absurd.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Capers]
    #23776749 - 10/27/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Name one university professor who has expressed even an iota of support for any of the modern popular conspiracy theories (e.g., chem trails, 9/11, false flag mass shootings, fake moon landing, etc.). The only people espousing these "theories" have no credibility or qualifications. I never said that conspiracies are nonexistent, just that most conspiracy theories are absurd.




That's kinda part of the conspiracy, man. :smirk:


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Capers]
    #23776821 - 10/27/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I do not disagree that most conspiracy theories are incorrect.  I am simply pointing out that this is irrelevant. Any given conspiracy theory could be true and must stand or fall on its merits.  If you dismiss them as a whole without examining the facts rather than analyzing them case by case you are being gullible, naieve and historically ignorant.

Nothing of any political significance has happened without some element of conspiracy since the first settlements of Ancient Sumer.

There is no valid sociology, political studies, economics or history without the incorporation of conspiracy theory as part of the analysis.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Capers]
    #23776883 - 10/27/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Name one university professor who has expressed even an iota of support for any of the modern popular conspiracy theories (e.g., chem trails, 9/11, false flag mass shootings, fake moon landing, etc.). The only people espousing these "theories" have no credibility or qualifications. I never said that conspiracies are nonexistent, just that most conspiracy theories are absurd.




well if you extend to conspiracy theories that are a little more fact based then many profs at my university express at least openness to such theories having validity. Not so much nonsense like chem trails, but stuff like CIA initiatives, private military groups backed by the US government causing upheaval in foreign governments to destabilize non-US-friendly regimes, or to create an opening for US intervention, then in fact many conspiracy theories stem from and are somewhat respected within academia

I would still consider those conspiracy theories, simply of a different caliber

the stuff completely evidence free though, such as reptilians, of course you won't see anyone respectable entertaining those notions


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