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Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories...
    #23774914 - 10/26/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In regards to the kratom ban for example, some people on the net were hypothesizing that the govt and big pharma were in bed and orchestrating this whole thing

I just find that hard to believe. The DEA is too clunky and stupid to really pull something like that off. With the advent of the internet, its much easier to find information and things like this are much harder to coverup

My coworker was telling me that he strongly believes that weed is not legal because its could make big pharma lose cash. Keep in mind, my coworker was diagnosed stage 3 cancer, and cured himself with heavy CBD-oils (I live in cali so its fairly cheap so I understand it)

9/11 being staged by the government? I feel people who believe these types of conspiracies really credit the government way too much with how capable these people are. Too me, all three of these horrible events/scenarios are just old rich white men who enact stupid laws into place, waste our tax dollars, and blame their ineptness and clumsiness on the people or other countries.

Hilary Clinton getting money from large corporations? Thats real. Thats not a conspiracy theory. And we have mountains of objective information proving how fucked clinton is in the head. And any attempts she make to cover it up just make her look worse

tl:dr;
I don't believe in these fancified conspiracy theories. Anytime someone has some political theory, I usually shrug it off. LAck of evidence. And most importantly, it gives way too much credit to politicians. They aren't untouchable saints with superpowers. They are humans. And they are prone to leaving a trail behind


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82] * 5
    #23775398 - 10/27/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not all "conspiracy theories" were created equal.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Great Scott] * 3
    #23775411 - 10/27/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Not all "conspiracy theories" were created equal.




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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82] * 2
    #23775471 - 10/27/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
In regards to the kratom ban for example, some people on the net were hypothesizing that the govt and big pharma were in bed and orchestrating this whole thing

I just find that hard to believe. The DEA is too clunky and stupid to really pull something like that off. With the advent of the internet, its much easier to find information and things like this are much harder to coverup

My coworker was telling me that he strongly believes that weed is not legal because its could make big pharma lose cash. Keep in mind, my coworker was diagnosed stage 3 cancer, and cured himself with heavy CBD-oils (I live in cali so its fairly cheap so I understand it)

9/11 being staged by the government? I feel people who believe these types of conspiracies really credit the government way too much with how capable these people are. Too me, all three of these horrible events/scenarios are just old rich white men who enact stupid laws into place, waste our tax dollars, and blame their ineptness and clumsiness on the people or other countries.

Hilary Clinton getting money from large corporations? Thats real. Thats not a conspiracy theory. And we have mountains of objective information proving how fucked clinton is in the head. And any attempts she make to cover it up just make her look worse

tl:dr;
I don't believe in these fancified conspiracy theories. Anytime someone has some political theory, I usually shrug it off. LAck of evidence. And most importantly, it gives way too much credit to politicians. They aren't untouchable saints with superpowers. They are humans. And they are prone to leaving a trail behind



I think you really need to be intentionally dumb to think the government would never lie to you. The NDAA (national defense authorization act) even legalized overt domestic propaganda operations.

Ever hear of MK Ultra or the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? Nah its just a conspiracy theory. It doesn't matter they got caught its still never happened because your government would never lie to you and always has your best interests in mind. lol


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #23775481 - 10/27/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
tl:dr;
I don't believe in these fancified conspiracy theories. Anytime someone has some political theory, I usually shrug it off. LAck of evidence. And most importantly, it gives way too much credit to politicians. They aren't untouchable saints with superpowers. They are humans. And they are prone to leaving a trail behind



Can you watch things on BBC IPlayer over there?

Try and find a documentary released this month called 'Hypernormalisation' - It's over 2.5 hours long, but it basically explains how the system is engineered to induce you into feeling the way you do in OP. Fascinating stuff.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23775907 - 10/27/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
Quote:

topdog82 said:
tl:dr;
I don't believe in these fancified conspiracy theories. Anytime someone has some political theory, I usually shrug it off. LAck of evidence. And most importantly, it gives way too much credit to politicians. They aren't untouchable saints with superpowers. They are humans. And they are prone to leaving a trail behind



Can you watch things on BBC IPlayer over there?

Try and find a documentary released this month called 'Hypernormalisation' - It's over 2.5 hours long, but it basically explains how the system is engineered to induce you into feeling the way you do in OP. Fascinating stuff.



Challenger accepted

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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23775910 - 10/27/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
Not all "conspiracy theories" were created equal.






Which ones do you believe then? What's a reasonable one?


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82]
    #23775914 - 10/27/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Conspiracy is a fact in all aspects of human life beginning in early childhood, from groups of 2 to entire nations and international groups, conspiracies are a fundamental dynamic of all social and political behaviour, period.

If you don't consider conspiracy as a factor in any issue you are blindfolded just as much as if you didn't take self interest, emotion or biology into consideration.

Conspiracy doesn't explain everything, but nothing can be explained fully without factoring it in.

It is the ultimate expression of naivete to dismiss conspiracy theories on principle. Conspiracies happen and play a role in virtually every significant historical event.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82]
    #23775929 - 10/27/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
Not all "conspiracy theories" were created equal.






Which ones do you believe then? What's a reasonable one?




Lol, Peyote Zen actually believes Sandy Hook was a false flag operation that never happened.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23775949 - 10/27/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Conspiracy is a fact in all aspects of human life beginning in early childhood, from groups of 2 to entire nations and international groups, conspiracies are a fundamental dynamic of all social and political behaviour, period.

If you don't consider conspiracy as a factor in any issue you are blindfolded just as much as if you didn't take self interest, emotion or biology into consideration.

Conspiracy doesn't explain everything, but nothing can be explained fully without factoring it in.

It is the ultimate expression of naivete to dismiss conspiracy theories on principle. Conspiracies happen and play a role in virtually every significant historical event.





you you believe that conspiracies play such a large part in everything then you're blindered
to only see what you choose to see which often will include what isnt there


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23775962 - 10/27/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Conspiracy theories stand or fall on their individual merits like any other theory, not as a whole.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82]
    #23776009 - 10/27/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
Not all "conspiracy theories" were created equal.






Which ones do you believe then? What's a reasonable one?




I dunno if I believe the full theory in most conspiracy theories. But the circumstances of the JFK assassination and 9/11 are too strange to believe we got the full story from the authorities.

I do believe we landed on the moon and found it to be a useless rock though.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #23776012 - 10/27/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think you really need to be intentionally dumb to think the government would never lie to you. The NDAA (national defense authorization act) even legalized overt domestic propaganda operations.

Ever hear of MK Ultra or the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? Nah its just a conspiracy theory. It doesn't matter they got caught its still never happened because your government would never lie to you and always has your best interests in mind. lol




I'm aware of the NDAA as well as MK Ultra and the TSS. But I gotta say, the finest form of propaganda I've ever seen is in the form of these conspiracy films. They're practically designed to have you sitting on the edge of your seat, feeling as though you're discovering some dark truth that no one else knows, as they cherry pick evidence and completely ignore certain facets of reality. I am very skeptical of the government, as I'd imagine many other intelligent people are, but there are also insane people who believe whatever the fuck they hear off youtube. Most of the Sandy Hook shit I've seen is absurd. It's like some people sat down and said, "Okay, how can we design a film to convince people that this was a setup", and thats exactly what they did


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23776025 - 10/27/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Conspiracy theories stand or fall on their individual merits like any other theory, not as a whole.





who determines the merits, there are those that believe every mass shooting or
terrorist attack is a false flag, just as they do about 9/11 and many other
things, they use things that were done 70 years ago as proof of these things
happening today


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23776041 - 10/27/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Pris, you know half this website believe your a government shill? Or a robot.


I'm inclined to believe the robot conspiracy theory.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Prisoner#1] * 4
    #23776043 - 10/27/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The fact that some theories are false doesn't have any relevance to the assessment of other theories.

The fact that some people believe in false conspiracy theories means nothing at all about the validity of other conspiracy theories or conspiracy theories as a whole.

Each person must assess each theory for themselves.  As soon as you assume ahead of time that something is either true or false because it is a conspiracy theory rather than on the merits of evidence , you have fallen into error.

The fact that something is a conspiracy theory means nothing in and of itself.  It's just a theory, and whether true or false depends on the facts. But if you decide that just because it's about a conspiracy you won't even examine the facts and dismiss it out hand you are being painfully naieve.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23776047 - 10/27/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey Pris, you know half this website believe your a government shill? Or a robot.


I'm inclined to believe the robot conspiracy theory.





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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82] * 2
    #23776048 - 10/27/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I used to get into conspiracy theories, and you can find a list of ones that have been proven to be without a doubt true on non-fringe sites, so that's a plus for you guys that study such things faithfully.

But I had to ask myself what was I gaining from knowing such things?  I came to realize I wasn't gaining a thing, it wasn't like I was taking such information and making it known to the masses, this was partially due to the ridicule I would receive from thinking such a way, and I know I shouldn't care what people think, but I am human and am prone to faults.

Anyway, I realized that they were taking energy away from me, energy which I could be investing in something meaningful for myself or the community around me, and I really felt like they were draining me, of course this could be a personal issue too because I am not sure everyone would feel such a way from them, and might feel empowered from having "stumbled upon the truth", but it has been my observation that many truths, not all, but a large amount, are not readily available, and one must search for them, and use their being to feel out which ones hold merit.


So conspiracies are interesting sure, but what do you plan on gaining from knowing the truth about many of the major conspiracies?  I believe the biggest "conspiracy" of them all is the fact that we think we're free, when in reality, at least my fucked up version of reality, we're not free, we have been conditioned to accept a form of mental bondage of slavery, and think a 9-5, white picket fence, shit out a bunch of kids, is a sign of prosperity, it's genius.  Get someone to think that drinking poison everyday is good for them, and that questioning things is bad for them, and you have complete control over them. 

Conspiracies help enforce that bondage, just like not believing in them does too, so this leaves me thinking if I don't believe in something, or if I do, well then what am I believing in?

You see the back and forth arguments on TV, with one side fighting the other, but people don't realize there are no sides, you have been conditioned to believe there are, what I believe to be true is that this life is a circle with no sides, and we must be like that circle, whole, as one.

I know that sounds super cheesy, but I believe it to be true.

Conspiracies are interesting, but I ask you guys to be careful when getting into such things, I have seen people go off the deep end after studying them for a while.

This is not my whole reply, I will spare you from that wall of text, but could write at length about how each side thinks what they think in my opinion, and why they do, and why it's important not to choose, and why nothing is wrong with wanting that 9-5 white picket fence reality because if that brings you happiness then by all means pursue it with gusto.  I guess I just feel like we could be more, as humans I mean, we could be so much greater than we are now.

It's a nice thought, and perhaps a delusion of mine, but I like to think it's true.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: topdog82]
    #23776053 - 10/27/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with op, for the most part. One can't categorically dismiss all "conspiracy theories", but most of the ones I've heard are far-fetched, and peddled by unqualified, uneducated people with negative outlooks.


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Re: Why I have come to no longer believe conspiracy theories... [Re: Capers]
    #23776079 - 10/27/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That speaks badly of your ability to locate credible Information, it says nothing about conspiracy theories generally.

That's like saying "all the theories of evolution I read in the YouTube comments section are far fetched and incoherent so I don't believe in the theory of evolution"


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