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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: koods]
#23777187 - 10/27/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi koods
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
#23777188 - 10/27/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sup Nealy
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Dark_Star] 1
#23777198 - 10/27/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes the problem is if that kind of VR program was available it would risk instilling those urges in people who played it who wouldn't otherwise have them/ acting like advertising for that kind of thing. After all any VR game would be marketed and you certainly couldn't be running ads for a program like that without spreading harmful messages. Then it would create spins off and competition and soon you would have a whole industry of game companies trying to out do each other providing more and more extreme perversion and sadism simulators. Kids would get there hands on them and be psychologically damaged.
It's hard to see why the same logic doesn't apply to first person shooters though .
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23777211 - 10/27/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who the fuck would play a pedophilia porn game unless they were already interested in fucking kids in real life? Just like somebody above me said, it just doesn't make sense.
we don't know any/many of these assertions we are making. surely its worth studying to see its actual effects yes?
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: koods]
#23777215 - 10/27/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: I don't think people are gonna bang virtual kids unless they already have the desire to bang real ones.
I don't think people are born with fetishes or attractions necessarily beyond more primal senses of smells and taste and basic sexual desires. I think sexuality is more malleable I suppose, and a lot of things to do with out-there attractions involves people with poor impulse control (a lot of child molesters or child porn horders have been found with brain tumors that affect impulse control as well). Poor impulse control leads to stronger urges down the line. If someone with poor sexual impulse control is exposed to virtual kiddie porn, it's more likely to become a fetish for them.
I'm not stating this as fact though or anything. Just how I've interpreted these things.
Edited by PatrickKn (10/27/16 03:40 PM)
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23777266 - 10/27/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well we know people play grand theft auto and enjoy running people over with cars who don't have that urge in real life. Some people would play these games who didn't already have those impulses , perhaps out of morbid curiosity, for the novelty, just because they could or "I'll try anything once" or just to see what it is like. Who knows ?
The risk is there that some small percent of people could become interested in that kind of thing who wouldn't otherwise be, or that it would trigger feelings that were suppressed or latent in someone.
On the flip side some people who would otherwise act on those feelings wouldn't and would use the VR as a harmless alternative.
Both would happen. The question is would the harms to society outweigh the benefits or vice versa ?
Even designing and marketing the games would be psychologically and socially harmful I think, as would playing them.
But again the exact same arguments apply to GTA games or school shooter simulations.
Do violent video games bring out violent tendencies and trigger people to act violently, or do they allow people to harmlessly discharge violent urges and make them more peaceful in real life?
Does watching violent degrading porn make guys treat women that way, or does that kind of porn allow guys to satisfy those urges harmlessly and treat their girlfriends better as a result?
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23777270 - 10/27/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Yes the problem is if that kind of VR program was available it would risk instilling those urges in people who played it who wouldn't otherwise have them/ acting like advertising for that kind of thing. After all any VR game would be marketed and you certainly couldn't be running ads for a program like that without spreading harmful messages. Then it would create spins off and competition and soon you would have a whole industry of game companies trying to out do each other providing more and more extreme perversion and sadism simulators. Kids would get there hands on them and be psychologically damaged.
It's hard to see why the same logic doesn't apply to first person shooters though .
This along my line of thinking.
Its a debate about the chicken or the egg and which came first.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23777310 - 10/27/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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rbalzer said:
we don't know any/many of these assertions we are making. surely its worth studying to see its actual effects yes?
There is no ethical way to study something like this.
Imagine the study results "We decided to try it and gave these VR programs to a thousand people and sure enough it turns out a bunch of kids got hurt who wouldn't have otherwise"
See the problem ?
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23777323 - 10/27/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said:
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rbalzer said:
we don't know any/many of these assertions we are making. surely its worth studying to see its actual effects yes?
There is no ethical way to study something like this.
Imagine the study results "We decided to try it and gave these VR programs to a thousand people and sure enough it turns out a bunch of kids got hurt who wouldn't have otherwise"
See the problem ?
This I disagree with, though I agree with your assertion. There are ethical ways to test this, as there are routes of controlling impulses medically with correct overwatch.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23777326 - 10/27/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do it with people already in jail for life or something. Simply see if it causes more real life desire or if it causes them to become infatuated with virtual sex.
Really liking the way you're approaching the subject though moon 
Maybe its the kind of thing that would only be distributed to convicted offenders? Hadn't thought too much into this part
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23777334 - 10/27/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Speaking from an academic perspective I am speaking literally- there is literally no way for a study like that to pass an ethics review committee and get ethics approval.
It's human experimentation with no way to prevent the possibility of harm. You could never do a study to see if you can make people into murderers either, for the same reasons.
You can't subject prisoners to unethical human experimentation either. That Itself would be considered unethical.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23777336 - 10/27/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Speaking from an academic perspective I am speaking literally- there is literally no way for a study like that to pass an ethics review committee and get ethics approval.
It's human experimentation with no way to prevent the possibility of harm. You could never do a study to see if you can make people into murderers either, for the same reasons.
True.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23777338 - 10/27/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And then back to the point that even if this isn't created legitimately the pedo's will simply mod an existing VR sex game to get similar results So there's not much to be done I suppose, maybe they'll find their own way out or make themselves worse, more or the less the same as things are right now.
VR sex games will hopefully be 'create your own fantasy' type things, at least some of them.
Edited by Psilosopherr (10/27/16 04:15 PM)
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23777343 - 10/27/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes that is true - whether we like it or not, this kind of thing will be made and is surely already being developed somewhere , legally or otherwise. Most likely it already exists in Japan.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#23777380 - 10/27/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Burke saying she will inevitably be murdered because I had a non violent drug induced mental health episode years ago is offensive to everyone with mental illness and their families, and shows what an ugly, rotten soul Burke really has.
It's neither offensive to people with mental illness, their families, nor does it show in any way that BD has an 'ugly, rotten soul'.
Actually, as someone who has been deeply hurt by people I love due to their mental illness, I feel it shows quite the opposite.
It's just you that is interpreting it differently, hence why no one else here is agreeing with you on this point.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23777435 - 10/27/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's going to be legal I see plenty of asians/midgets running around that could easily fill the role of a turkey hole
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23777436 - 10/27/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Saying that just because someone has had a single non violent mental health episode they will inevitably murder their loved ones is extremely offensive to the mentally ill and their families for obvious reasons. It spreads the harmful and inaccurate stereotype that the mentally ill are dangerous, homicidal monsters.
The truth is that the mentally ill are not more likely to commit violence and there is zero correlation between experiencing a non violent mental health episode and committing murder.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Moonshoe]
#23777440 - 10/27/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah but just about everyone who has a degree in that stuff is trained to look out for it
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 3
#23777443 - 10/27/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks man. I certainly didn't mean to be insensitive to people suffering from mental health issues. As many of you know, I have dealt with mental illness both within myself and in loved ones. If I offended anyone with my comments, I sincerely apologize.
What I referenced with moonshoe isn't a hypothetical to me, but rather something based on experience. When I was a young teen, I knew a guy who was a LOT like moonshoe. If you guys knew this fellow, you too would find the similarity striking. I won't get into all the minutiae, but the short story is that we all thought he was crazy, but harmless. Then, one day 15 years ago, dude's girlfriend went missing. He told us all that she'd just ran off. And then a couple weeks later when we were all kickin it at dude's place, the police came and arrested him for her murder. It was nuts. And moonshoe reminds me a lot of this dude. I'm just applying my experience to relevant situations.
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Re: Biggest piece of shit quotes you've ever seen on the Shroomery? [Re: Burke Dennings]
#23777449 - 10/27/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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None of that excuses or justifies you saying I will "inevitably" murder my wife, or you saying you would "enjoy" the irony you imagine would arise from that situation. Your personal story has zero relevance to me or my wife. You were being extremely insensitive to people with mental illness, but joking about someone's wife or children being murdered is a no-class scumbag move regardless.
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Edited by Moonshoe (10/27/16 05:18 PM)
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