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Really doubting college is worth it.
#23773477 - 10/26/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm going to school for advanced mechtronics engineering technology.
It's a two year degree to get you into the workforce as a electrical tech.
My professor is so unprepared for class. he is brand new to teaching. the school needed the position filled and did a rush hire. One of their professor went up and quit for a better paying job.
This not a for profit school. It is a community college.
Here is a video I recorded during class. students are teaching the professor. I should have recorded longer. he got mad after when most of the class didn't understand the material.
I'm debating about just going into hvac
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: vatman]
#23774090 - 10/26/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Teachers make mistakes and certainly don't know everything. Here's something, why were you the only one not participating? The only person that can make college "worth it" is you..
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Mojo]
#23774123 - 10/26/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find it better if I block the teacher out and just read the book in class. This happens daily. Almost never prepared for lectures.
It has gotten to the point where I don't do work until it is due anymore. I use to read a chapter ahead in the book. Ended up he either skips the chapter or only covers one point on it. O you don't need all that other information. That is on engering level. O that is covered next semester. Than if you are ahead in your homework well you either did something with values he wants different from the book or wants to make up his own problem.
O if he wants work shown for values don't show it how he shows it than he marks it wrong. "I don't understand that"
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: vatman]
#23775616 - 10/27/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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College is cool, and the first year or 2 of going away to a University is the best social experience you could ever have. Graduate school, is in some ways even cooler cause they kept paying me to go to school, almost forever. What happens after that was frequently a disappointment, but some years, the degrees really paid off.
If you get a degree in engineering or accounting, you will probably get a job before you graduate, but those fuckers have to study. Even at weekend keg parties all they talked about was their classes and their tests.
But socially, no matter what happens, going away to school is a mind blowing experience. If you knew 100 girls in High School, you are going to know 1000 in college. What's not to like?
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Brian Jones]
#23775652 - 10/27/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forget what I just said; Is it worth it; you mean economically? Probably not. I didn't go away to school till I was 23 in 1980. I had good ACT score but at the undergraduate level, I got more need based than merit based aid.
The issue is this; when a small percentage of people have college degrees, they are valuable (depending on the major and the school). When a real lot of people have college degrees, just like any other comedy, they become more and more worthless.
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Brian Jones]
#23776024 - 10/27/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just got a 106% on the first test. the professor was like I dunno how you got that. I must have weighed some questions too high.
Had a 39 out of 37
Turns out I got a 95% after his corrections on the test itself. He is trying to make everything done on the computer now.
I submitted some homework in online. Was graded automatically to 30% after he fixed how things were accepted in terminology it went up to 85%. (It's all enter data. I don't do any rounding in my mathematics. He lets people get away with rounding. my answers are automatically wrong in the grade system due to how off rounding is. He doesn't state if he wants a 2nd 3rd or fourth decimal rounded.)
Edited by vatman (10/27/16 07:36 PM)
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: vatman]
#23779531 - 10/28/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Might still be worth it to finish up though. Finding jobs on public searches on indeed for the degree doesn't yield much. I know of a company that hires on though. They helped found the building I'm going to class at.
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: vatman]
#23779573 - 10/28/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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keep doing all your work the week it is due, like signing up for classes. Or use ratemyprofessor.com and pick your classes earlier next time. I found picking a high rated teacher is literally half the fight for getting a good grade in the class. They explain better, take the time and when you show that you care, magically they start to too. You cant fix "new".
It takes time, unfortunately you most likely wont get the best experience from this teacher. He probably needs time, just like you will the first time you walk through the door to work your new job.
That is the difference between you and the other students. They are all grasping for clarification in the video and working on sorting out details and trying to grasp this problem. You are silent with the occasional snicker at the teachers comments, as if you are undermining his attempt to deliver a lesson.
Show up to class, get your attendance points and after class go to your new teacher who is in the library at the tutor center and have someone else show you the ropes.
Edited by SushiKing (10/28/16 09:21 AM)
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: SushiKing]
#23781079 - 10/28/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can say a lot about my dealings after college. I got a very hard scientific degree (BS Biochem) from a large state college. After it was hard to find a job worth the pay. I had a decent GPA but didn't think much about getting a job during college. I was naive thinking it would be easy. When I looked for jobs many were required to have specific technical skills which I didn't have. In college you learn the theory but don't apply it. When you go to a job interview they'll ask if you know how to run X machine and if you don't it's kind of like okay next. I finally landed a job at a good place after nailing an interview and having an awesome supervisor who basically knew the struggle. He had 2 bachelor degrees in similar fields and knew the struggle. So now I'm working making decent money but not where I want to be. I'm finishing up my certification to work in a hospital setting and will be making double the pay I do now. This certification is technically an associates degree.
Basically. My point is you need a technical skill. Having a degree means jack shit. If you don't offer something that they need they will just next you and hire someone with an associates degree.
The saying at work is the Bachelor degree is the new associates degree. Master's are the new bachelors degree. It's crazy with college jobs/fields now
The only one straight from college to work force are probably engineers and software people.
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Gorlax]
#23781800 - 10/29/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: I can say a lot about my dealings after college. I got a very hard scientific degree (BS Biochem) from a large state college. After it was hard to find a job worth the pay. I had a decent GPA but didn't think much about getting a job during college. I was naive thinking it would be easy. When I looked for jobs many were required to have specific technical skills which I didn't have. In college you learn the theory but don't apply it. When you go to a job interview they'll ask if you know how to run X machine and if you don't it's kind of like okay next. I finally landed a job at a good place after nailing an interview and having an awesome supervisor who basically knew the struggle. He had 2 bachelor degrees in similar fields and knew the struggle. So now I'm working making decent money but not where I want to be. I'm finishing up my certification to work in a hospital setting and will be making double the pay I do now. This certification is technically an associates degree.
Basically. My point is you need a technical skill. Having a degree means jack shit. If you don't offer something that they need they will just next you and hire someone with an associates degree.
The saying at work is the Bachelor degree is the new associates degree. Master's are the new bachelors degree. It's crazy with college jobs/fields now
The only one straight from college to work force are probably engineers and software people.
That sucks. I would think a biochem degree was highly sufficient. In some significant ways you are smarter than I will ever be. But I learned one thing in in my last grad degree, which was basically HR masters. The HR literature, and my experience all said the same thing. If the HR Lady doesn't like you in the first 5-10 seconds, what she thinks after 50 minutes has a near perfect correlation, with her first judgment. When I mentioned this to my modern HR theory professor, citing the literature, he just cast it aside, half a sentence, "that's just the 'recency' effect'. NO you fucking half a cunt, that is PURE prejudice.
What I learned at the University of Illinois is that engineers and accountants are immune, from the personality "test", and looks and knowing how to dress, etc because nobody expects them to have any of those qualities. Any fucking dorks (or cool guy) were hired before they graduated. I believe advancement, after the entry level, was probably judged like anyone else.
Sorry you couldn't get hired with a bio chem. A grad degree would have been better, but to me a biochem should have got you something.
The biggest thing I learned, is that Professors are bullshit artists just like a used car sales men in a plaid sportcoat. They want your money for a product that may or may not work.
About Computer Science, I don't know if it's a sure thing. I know people who graduated and can't get hired. Now this is old history, about 20 years, So for what it's worth, but I worked with guys who had the most unmarketable degrees of all time, Asian Studies and Philosophy, but somehow they learned programming and got hired, because we were in a very high tech town, and they both got promoted and sent to big cities. I don't know if the computer industry has changed (many have) but at that time they didn't care about your degree. You were either good at programming or you weren't.
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Brian Jones]
#23784276 - 10/30/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My major classes you have 0 choices of who you learn from. The school is not big enough for multiple major teachers for my degree.
This guy was a list minute fill in.
I have a background in electrical and environmental systems on aircraft from the air force. Unfortunately it is very specialized and civilian work requires a much broader degree of knowledge and the pay is not competitive compared to other work.
I'm looking for something that won't turn me into a lather hide and all broken.
The air force broke as is and right now trying to screw me out of disability.
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: vatman]
#23784659 - 10/30/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sometimes you just have to get through the class. As your courses become more specialized you have fewer professor options. During my graduate degree I only had one opportunity to choose a professor for a single class in the entire 2-year degree.
I don't think a bad professor is a good reason to switch degrees. You always run the risk of having a crappy professor no matter which degree you choose. The important thing is that you are in a field that interests you, has good employment opportunities, and that you see your education through to graduation. You will continue to learn the trade throughout your entire career, one bad professor just isn't going to make any difference. In fact, it's good life experience because you will inevitably work under or side-by-side with incompetent people in your career.
Like I said before, you dictate the value of your education. When I was earning my graduate degree I made sure to pick a research topic that was relevant to industry, I published my work, and presented it in-front of audiences at national and local conferences multiple times. I chose a relevant internship with a lot of travel so that I could meet people in my industry all over the country.
I only applied for one job, and got it. They were so antsy to have me start working that I was hired-on as a temp before even I graduated. During my last semester of college I was making almost $35/hr, and it was pretty easy to negotiate a higher salary when I was hired on full-time because I was already familiar with the business. I took on about $30k in debt for my degree and I paid it off within 1.5 years of graduating.
So for me, college was worth it.. But only because I made it work for me. Everyone I personally know who made college work for them, has done well after graduation.
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Gorlax]
#23784979 - 10/30/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: I can say a lot about my dealings after college. I got a very hard scientific degree (BS Biochem) from a large state college. After it was hard to find a job worth the pay. I had a decent GPA but didn't think much about getting a job during college. I was naive thinking it would be easy. When I looked for jobs many were required to have specific technical skills which I didn't have. In college you learn the theory but don't apply it. When you go to a job interview they'll ask if you know how to run X machine and if you don't it's kind of like okay next. I finally landed a job at a good place after nailing an interview and having an awesome supervisor who basically knew the struggle. He had 2 bachelor degrees in similar fields and knew the struggle.
My wife has a masters in Biochem, worked in a few labs and her story is pretty much the same as yours. In that particular field, there is a lot of repetitive lab oriented work, and if you don't know the procedures or how to use the machines, you're going to have a more difficult time finding a job. Even when you do find a job, you're going to need to be able to handle the repetitive nature of working in a lab, as that's what most biochem jobs seem to be about.
Higher education degrees in general, may or may not be worth it. If you want to land a decent teaching job, it's definitely a good thing to have. To actually work in the industry related to your degree however, experience is the number one factor that will play in your favor, degree or not (in most cases).
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Brian Jones]
#23801614 - 11/04/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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See I do have a good job now and when I explain it to people they can't believe what I do but it took a while to find a job. Almost a year because I wanted to still go to school (which almost made them always change their minds during hiring).
I also had no experience in my field. Sure I graduated with a degree in science but I haven't actually used instrumentation. I've been working in a lab for the past year and now I'm set to work in almost any lab. With science degrees you really need to make sure you get a technical skill to tag along with it because right now it's not much you can do besides lab tech stuff. I'm basically a surgical tech that manufactures and oversees the production of medical devices. I really know where I want to go now in life but it took some serious time interviewing at places. My goal is to work in a clinical setting though that is why I'm getting certified to do so (which where I live you need to be certified no matter how educated you are)
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Re: Really doubting college is worth it. [Re: Gorlax]
#23803802 - 11/05/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would much rather get some training like I did in the military towards my job. Was 5 days a week for 8 hours for 3 months plus some homework. Was very hands on and enjoyed it a lot. This not as much.
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