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The Afterlife
    #23772764 - 10/26/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What do you guys think happens when you pass on?

Is there a judgment where some higher power judges you and you get sent to a different plane of existence based on your actions? Or is just saying your sorry good enough and bam your in heaven? What about suicides , rapist , murders who are mentally ill do they get a one way ticket to hell?
Can someone be a good person but in a moment of illness do something horrible and be forgiven?

Or is this life like ground hog day were we are just doomed to repeat it over and over again for all time?

I would like to believe if there is a higher power they are merciful despite what I see here on this rock

What do you guys think?


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie] * 1
    #23772819 - 10/26/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think what most people call a soul is actually a small part of the energy source as a whole. It possesses the physical body as a way for god, or whatever you want to call the source, to experience the physical realm. After the body dies, that soul, remnant of energy, is recycled. The next life could be a tree, blade of grass, butterfly, or even a species on another planet.

Ultimately, I think this process continues over and over until all possibilities of the third dimension have been explored, then it moves up to the next level.

Consider the egg theory, but with multi-dimensions before we reach a god like state.

I asked a mushroom trip, now remember this was a trip, to show me the truth about existence once. It showed me that we are nothing more than a simulation in the mind of the ultimate being, so that it could feel something other than loneliness.

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Re: The Afterlife [Re: thebug76]
    #23772914 - 10/26/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Reincarnation aside, I'd say everyone eventually ends up in the same place, cus we're all the same, we're all love deep down. as for the the really bad apples, the full spectrum must be represented, and you'd commit the same evil deeds in their shoes. to judge people is to not see the big picture.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: mt cleverest]
    #23772971 - 10/26/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Reincarnation to me seems like hell. This life is filled with such great pain that I wouldn't want to groundhog day it till the end of time.  Happiness comes but when it goes it leaves such a huge hole one that seems to get bigger overtime.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
    #23772976 - 10/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think I'll die and cease to exist, the energy that I'm comprised off will transfer and become energy for something else, but my consciousness/awareness of anything or sense of self will disappear.

If that's not the case, then I have no idea because I have no memory of anything before I was born so even if there is something it'll most likely be like I'm starting fresh and would have no memory of this life just like I have no memory of any other lives I might of lived. I highly doubt that if there is something after this life that there's anything remotely resembling heaven or hell or even a sense of individuality or awareness that you're seperate from anything, you as in the part that identifies as an individual ceases to exist even if some part of you or your "soul" moves on to some type of alternate reality.

I think the idea of heaven and hell is nothing more then a way for people to judge other people or try to scare them into living/behaving the way they perceive as correct.

But if there is a higher power, I would imagine it would have to be merciful or at least understanding if you stray from the right path, it threw us into a world of uncertainty full of different religions that contradict one another and which one people believe in seems almost fully dependent on where they where born or which one they were raised with and we're given no gaurantee of which one is correct when morality in general is clearly subjective, but then punishes you for all eternity if you don't do things the right way or believe in the right one? I doubt any omnipotent god would be that much of a dick.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23773052 - 10/26/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like we are the universe expierencing itself, we and every obeject makes up the universe, meaming it is one thing, i do feel conciousness survives death because coincousness is most likely energy and energy canot be created or destroyed due to the first law of thermodynamics, but idk where or what conciousness does after we pass but i also feel like were meant to expierence death, its meant to happen everything seems to have a purpose, but all aside all we all have no true clue whats really going on lol


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    #23773386 - 10/26/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23773427 - 10/26/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have a few ideas on the afterlife. Clearly with no physical body we won't have any memory or be able to feel and experience things how we do now.

I like to think it will be like being a beam of light, just constantly flying through space, no thoughts or feelings, just raw experience.

I also like to think our memories will be encoded as data into a black hole. We could even be re experiencing stored data in some super massive black hole right now...


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: musiclover420]
    #23773672 - 10/26/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Most likely -as in the simplest theory and the one that doesn't invoke unknown forces- death is just an end. I mean if you can not exist before life, why is it so odd to not exist after it?

alternatively, I'm very taken with the notion that the true nature of the world is mind, one vast mind divided only aesthetically into the forms of this world. This mind is always working, always experiencing, and it is always now. We are part of it, only we forget to play our part en-forming the universe, until that form passes, and we wake up back into ourselves.

obviously nobody knows, but I 'feel' like it's gonna be one of those two.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
    #23773718 - 10/26/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No need to wonder- read the numerous accounts of those who have died and been revived. We now have thousands of records from those who have experienced death and returned to tell the tale. No past generation ever had the wealth of knowledge we now have about the afterlife and death experience, as modern medicine revives more and more people from death who go on to share their amazing stories.

If you want to know what space is like, ask an astronaut. If you want to know what the ocean is like, ask a diver.

If you want to know what dying and the afterlife is like, ask those who have died and returned to tell the tale.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23774400 - 10/26/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They have not truly died . I have had a near death experience and what I saw was not the same thing as if I was to die for good. I remember as well feeling at peace and quiet and having that ripped away from me.  Things haven't been able to be the same since.
Bump for the lnc crew.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
    #23774420 - 10/26/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't make any sense to me that after life comes more life.  That just sounds like a load of shit, and to me the idea of eternal nothingness gives me alot of comfort.  It's the dying part that scares me more than death.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
    #23774428 - 10/26/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes , a lot of them were actually medically dead and came back to life.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23774482 - 10/26/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Eternal Now.

You never leave, nor do you ever return. I think the term afterlife can be best substituted for hereafter. That's a line I got from Alan Watts in some way.

At an ultimate level, I imagine just a great infinite void with infinite creative potential to exist just big bangs another universe to experience itself.

I love the time paradox and I'm no academic or scholar, but there is no before the big bang as the process of change over duration and space manifested AFTER it happened FIRST. So all "time" we experience is still that same process happening right now. Even if it fragmented itself as a 14 billion year old evolving universal paradigm up until now, it's still all connected as that one initial bang energy.

We aren't separate. I do feel it breaks down like fractals, and there is no true ultimate realization. We go through lifetimes, dimensions, whatever and all choices are created now. We wake up from the dream of this life like "Wow what a dream! But this... THIS is reality" over and over and use the experienced simulation to better ourselves in whatever form we find ourselves. WIthout the parameters of human consciousness, I imagine soul land to be still filled with entities, some of which help us to choose a proper "next" (could be past or future) incarnation. Eventually then we become those beings so on and so forth until everything everywhere in this universe is experienced and it collapses.

Think of the light/darkness of the universe. All galaxies centered with a supermassive black hole, and around it are stars, around those are planets and on planets are beings. SOme of which grow capable to travel to other star systems and even interdimensionally. It makes for so much variation of experience it would seem eternal to experience ALL experience of all timelines of this single universal construct but it'll go beyond that I feel.

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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23774702 - 10/26/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23774743 - 10/26/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes , a lot of them were actually medically dead and came back to life.



Being declared dead by a doctor is not the same thing as being fully and completely dead, it's a convention that serves a legal purpose. If you're "medically dead" and come back to life, the cells of your body were alive the whole time. Nobody comes back from full cellular death.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
    #23774767 - 10/26/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Somebody can arrive in the ER after having cpr forever by emts and have been dead and the doctor calls it. They were dead. Dead on arrival.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: EDM] * 1
    #23774869 - 10/26/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"Death" can refer to various stages in a sequence of biological processes or lack thereof. My point was that if someone experiences xyz while "medically dead" but can later be revived, their experiences really aren't a very good indication of what there might be to experience after the point where none of the cells in your body are alive at all (or don't even exist any more, e.g. if you're cremated.)

If it's possible to experience anything without a living brain, we are not going to find this out from anyone who was "dead" and then revived.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
    #23774900 - 10/26/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I see four major possibilities: complete annihilation/external nonexistence, reincarnation, some kind of wildly different psychedelic afterlife, or if we're very very lucky this could all be a simulation in which case all bets are off.

If this is a simulation, you could do anything imaginable. Fuck, you could put everyone who dies into the single player campaign of the video game Quake, why not? You can do anything in a simulation that you can with a computer, which means you can do literally anything. There might even be a Game Over screen if this is a simulation. Maybe even New Game+.

If this isn't a simulation, then I think your choices are annihilation, reincarnation, or psychedelic insanity the like of which we cannot even begin to imagine. Maybe there is something approaching a traditional afterlife if this isn't a simulation, but I highly doubt it.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: nooneman]
    #23774923 - 10/26/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My feeling is that your subjective experiences probably cease completely once your brain is dead, but that aspects of your personality can sort of live on through other people you influenced during your life.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
    #23775012 - 10/26/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I hate thinking about this shit because I'm forced to believe in biology and it scares the shit out of me.

It may be silly to some, but death is definitely my number 1 fear. I never want to die, I want to live forever. Sure, this life can be painful and terrible at times, but its worth it if you can seek out the good in life. But most importantly, I just cannot cope with the fact that in ALL ETERNITY, I'll only be alive for the smallest fraction of it.

I hope there's something else beyond this, but that's (sadly) very wishful thinking. Even if our "souls" go somewhere else, I don't believe we will consciously survive it. Even if we reincarnate, whether it be as another human, or some other animal or being, it won't be "us" reincarnating. It will be a completely different consciousness, a clean slate, so its basically the same fate as eternal nothingness.

God damn now I'm having an anxiety attack over this shit lol fuck death man


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie] * 1
    #23775439 - 10/27/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What do you guys think happens when you pass on?

What about suicides , rapist , murders who are mentally ill do they get a one way ticket to hell?



I would not lump suicides in with heinous crimes. I found it interesting to find there's actually nothing in the Bible about the subject and that its only considered as sin because the early Catholic church had problems with people killing themselves so they'd get to heaven sooner, so the pope said it was now a sin. I consider the pope a misleader and deceiver and put zero credibility in their historical decrees.

I'd also add that if mental illness is involved it makes no sense to me to think they'd face terrible judgment. If God would not think badly of a man for dieing from cancer why would he think badly of them for dieing from mental illness? A disease is a disease.

Food for thought.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: lonelypsychonaut]
    #23775448 - 10/27/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate thinking about this shit because I'm forced to believe in biology and it scares the shit out of me.

It may be silly to some, but death is definitely my number 1 fear. I never want to die, I want to live forever. Sure, this life can be painful and terrible at times, but its worth it if you can seek out the good in life. But most importantly, I just cannot cope with the fact that in ALL ETERNITY, I'll only be alive for the smallest fraction of it.

I hope there's something else beyond this, but that's (sadly) very wishful thinking. Even if our "souls" go somewhere else, I don't believe we will consciously survive it. Even if we reincarnate, whether it be as another human, or some other animal or being, it won't be "us" reincarnating. It will be a completely different consciousness, a clean slate, so its basically the same fate as eternal nothingness.

God damn now I'm having an anxiety attack over this shit lol fuck death man



I think that if you do come to understand we are created and that we are endowed by our creator with an immortal part that you'll have greater peace of mind. Just look around and see the world and you must understand that there is a divine architect who made this world, and us. When we pass on our body returns to the earth from which its made and our soul returns unto God who gave it.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #23775623 - 10/27/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I do believe the soul is recycled and have possibly seen many previous lives through high mushroom and acid trips. Heaven and Hell are metaphors in my opinion not to be taken literally, but they do exist in some type or form of alternative dimension. If you were to be reborn you would undoubtedly have no recollection of your previous life, although that has been proven several times that it is possible through children remembering their past lives so accurately it's sort of unbelievable. Even through my high level trips I have just caught glimpses of the past and future nothing very accurate, but enough to know that I have either been apart of some other human being or have been a different human being at some point in time.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
    #23775698 - 10/27/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Regardless if you want an idea of what awaits you after this life the obvious place to look is the experiences of those who have been medically dead and returned.  No one else has any idea, they have at least crossed the threshold and returned and they alone can tell us what begins when this life ends.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23775704 - 10/27/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah there is not much else to go on, but IMO it's a huge logical leap to extrapolate from that stuff and say it shows that there is anything to experience after all your cells are dead or destroyed.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23775705 - 10/27/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If all their experiences were in any way similar I could agree with you but theyre usually vastly different from one another. Some of them, including a guy i worked with, who was medically dead twice also claim there was nothing besides being out and then waking up so who are we supposed to listen to when theres accounts of both something and nothing? In the end people are just going to cherrypick whatever fits their already held beliefs.

I personally think those who claim to have saw something while dead can be explained by the brain doing weird things as it shuts down but just like everyone else, theres obviously no way I can actually know one way or the other when its comes to any reality other this one


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
    #23775783 - 10/27/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The point is the near death experience occurs when people have zero brain activity. A number of cases are also "veridical" NDEs  meaning the person has an out of body experience during which they observe things in the real world they had no way of seeing or knowing but which was correct and accurate and verified by other people.

The evidence for the ability of consciousness to operate independently of brain activity is overwhelming, and the idea that consciousness is a mere epiphenomenon of the brain is severely called into question.

The evidence for life after death has never been stronger , and I encourage everyone to look deeply into the literature on NDEs because they are basically the best and only source of information on what awaits us when we are dying/when we are medically dead.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #23776639 - 10/27/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate thinking about this shit because I'm forced to believe in biology and it scares the shit out of me.

It may be silly to some, but death is definitely my number 1 fear. I never want to die, I want to live forever. Sure, this life can be painful and terrible at times, but its worth it if you can seek out the good in life. But most importantly, I just cannot cope with the fact that in ALL ETERNITY, I'll only be alive for the smallest fraction of it.

I hope there's something else beyond this, but that's (sadly) very wishful thinking. Even if our "souls" go somewhere else, I don't believe we will consciously survive it. Even if we reincarnate, whether it be as another human, or some other animal or being, it won't be "us" reincarnating. It will be a completely different consciousness, a clean slate, so its basically the same fate as eternal nothingness.

God damn now I'm having an anxiety attack over this shit lol fuck death man



I think that if you do come to understand we are created and that we are endowed by our creator with an immortal part that you'll have greater peace of mind. Just look around and see the world and you must understand that there is a divine architect who made this world, and us. When we pass on our body returns to the earth from which its made and our soul returns unto God who gave it.





Or its all just a natural miracle? Idk ... as much as I want to be a spiritual guy, I'm more of a science guy, I believe what makes sense scientifically. The only part I start to question it all is "the big bang" .. thats when my spiritual and scientific views collide and idk what to think from there.

But my point is, if its not ME experiencing what goes on after this life, who cares really? If my "soul" or whatever passes on to something greater or into a new life, it won't be ME experiencing this new life or greater consciousness, so in the end it doesn't matter. ME will be gone, and I don't ever want to leave :sad: ...


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: lonelypsychonaut]
    #23776819 - 10/27/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I was legit clinically dead for an undetermined amount of time and all I remember is blackness. Of course if I was dead how was there a consciousness to remember it? An afterlife is a comforting concept though.


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #23777368 - 10/27/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah the only thing I've found on suicide in the Bible doesn't mention it as a mortal sin. In fact several characters have committed suicide and the Bible doesn't condemn them to hell.  I find great comfort in this.

I wish mental illness was treated like cancer or other terminal illness. Sadly that is not the case. I know from personal experience with my wife leaving me when I was so sick I was manic worst ever seen. I didn't mean to lose my mind I didn't want to hurt her emotional like I did. For that I can not forgive myself.  It has been the worst year of my life and all I want is for the pain to end. Since it is not possible for me to get her back. I don't want to break my vows. I am truly sorry for everything that happened. I've tried to get better but I still can't forgive myself. I've been reaching out to family only to be called a pussy and be rejected . I've even tried praying for relief and nothing. I've sought out council in a therapist regularly and still I don't have any relief. My friends have abandoned me and I spend most of my time alone .


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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
    #23778013 - 10/27/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I wish mental illness was treated like cancer or other terminal illness. Sadly that is not the case. I know from personal experience with my wife leaving me when I was so sick I was manic worst ever seen. I didn't mean to lose my mind I didn't want to hurt her emotional like I did. For that I can not forgive myself.  It has been the worst year of my life and all I want is for the pain to end. Since it is not possible for me to get her back. I don't want to break my vows. I am truly sorry for everything that happened. I've tried to get better but I still can't forgive myself. I've been reaching out to family only to be called a pussy and be rejected . I've even tried praying for relief and nothing. I've sought out council in a therapist regularly and still I don't have any relief. My friends have abandoned me and I spend most of my time alone .






People make mistakes man .. sure some people fuck up really bad, but I think everyone deserves a second chance as long as they truly realized they fucked up the first time and never do it again.

I think you need to do your best to move on instead of trying to win your previous life/people back. You need to quit beating yourself up over whatever you did, and begin a new chapter in your life. If your family and friends aren't being supportive of you, and rejecting you, then you don't need them right now. Try finding new people to be with, and work on becoming a better person. When you improve yourself and your friends and family actually see you've changed, then maybe they'll take you back you know? They probably just don't want to support you right now because you fucked up bad and they still think you're that person. Maybe a year or a few months from now, they'll see you've changed and they'll be less negative towards you!


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