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lonelypsychonaut
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
#23775012 - 10/26/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hate thinking about this shit because I'm forced to believe in biology and it scares the shit out of me.
It may be silly to some, but death is definitely my number 1 fear. I never want to die, I want to live forever. Sure, this life can be painful and terrible at times, but its worth it if you can seek out the good in life. But most importantly, I just cannot cope with the fact that in ALL ETERNITY, I'll only be alive for the smallest fraction of it.
I hope there's something else beyond this, but that's (sadly) very wishful thinking. Even if our "souls" go somewhere else, I don't believe we will consciously survive it. Even if we reincarnate, whether it be as another human, or some other animal or being, it won't be "us" reincarnating. It will be a completely different consciousness, a clean slate, so its basically the same fate as eternal nothingness.
God damn now I'm having an anxiety attack over this shit lol fuck death man
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie] 1
#23775439 - 10/27/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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trekie said: What do you guys think happens when you pass on?
What about suicides , rapist , murders who are mentally ill do they get a one way ticket to hell?
I would not lump suicides in with heinous crimes. I found it interesting to find there's actually nothing in the Bible about the subject and that its only considered as sin because the early Catholic church had problems with people killing themselves so they'd get to heaven sooner, so the pope said it was now a sin. I consider the pope a misleader and deceiver and put zero credibility in their historical decrees.
I'd also add that if mental illness is involved it makes no sense to me to think they'd face terrible judgment. If God would not think badly of a man for dieing from cancer why would he think badly of them for dieing from mental illness? A disease is a disease.
Food for thought.
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lonelypsychonaut said: I hate thinking about this shit because I'm forced to believe in biology and it scares the shit out of me.
It may be silly to some, but death is definitely my number 1 fear. I never want to die, I want to live forever. Sure, this life can be painful and terrible at times, but its worth it if you can seek out the good in life. But most importantly, I just cannot cope with the fact that in ALL ETERNITY, I'll only be alive for the smallest fraction of it.
I hope there's something else beyond this, but that's (sadly) very wishful thinking. Even if our "souls" go somewhere else, I don't believe we will consciously survive it. Even if we reincarnate, whether it be as another human, or some other animal or being, it won't be "us" reincarnating. It will be a completely different consciousness, a clean slate, so its basically the same fate as eternal nothingness.
God damn now I'm having an anxiety attack over this shit lol fuck death man
I think that if you do come to understand we are created and that we are endowed by our creator with an immortal part that you'll have greater peace of mind. Just look around and see the world and you must understand that there is a divine architect who made this world, and us. When we pass on our body returns to the earth from which its made and our soul returns unto God who gave it.
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
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I do believe the soul is recycled and have possibly seen many previous lives through high mushroom and acid trips. Heaven and Hell are metaphors in my opinion not to be taken literally, but they do exist in some type or form of alternative dimension. If you were to be reborn you would undoubtedly have no recollection of your previous life, although that has been proven several times that it is possible through children remembering their past lives so accurately it's sort of unbelievable. Even through my high level trips I have just caught glimpses of the past and future nothing very accurate, but enough to know that I have either been apart of some other human being or have been a different human being at some point in time.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
#23775698 - 10/27/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Regardless if you want an idea of what awaits you after this life the obvious place to look is the experiences of those who have been medically dead and returned. No one else has any idea, they have at least crossed the threshold and returned and they alone can tell us what begins when this life ends.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
#23775704 - 10/27/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah there is not much else to go on, but IMO it's a huge logical leap to extrapolate from that stuff and say it shows that there is anything to experience after all your cells are dead or destroyed.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
#23775705 - 10/27/16 06:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If all their experiences were in any way similar I could agree with you but theyre usually vastly different from one another. Some of them, including a guy i worked with, who was medically dead twice also claim there was nothing besides being out and then waking up so who are we supposed to listen to when theres accounts of both something and nothing? In the end people are just going to cherrypick whatever fits their already held beliefs.
I personally think those who claim to have saw something while dead can be explained by the brain doing weird things as it shuts down but just like everyone else, theres obviously no way I can actually know one way or the other when its comes to any reality other this one
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
#23775783 - 10/27/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The point is the near death experience occurs when people have zero brain activity. A number of cases are also "veridical" NDEs meaning the person has an out of body experience during which they observe things in the real world they had no way of seeing or knowing but which was correct and accurate and verified by other people.
The evidence for the ability of consciousness to operate independently of brain activity is overwhelming, and the idea that consciousness is a mere epiphenomenon of the brain is severely called into question.
The evidence for life after death has never been stronger , and I encourage everyone to look deeply into the literature on NDEs because they are basically the best and only source of information on what awaits us when we are dying/when we are medically dead.
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lonelypsychonaut
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lonelypsychonaut said: I hate thinking about this shit because I'm forced to believe in biology and it scares the shit out of me.
It may be silly to some, but death is definitely my number 1 fear. I never want to die, I want to live forever. Sure, this life can be painful and terrible at times, but its worth it if you can seek out the good in life. But most importantly, I just cannot cope with the fact that in ALL ETERNITY, I'll only be alive for the smallest fraction of it.
I hope there's something else beyond this, but that's (sadly) very wishful thinking. Even if our "souls" go somewhere else, I don't believe we will consciously survive it. Even if we reincarnate, whether it be as another human, or some other animal or being, it won't be "us" reincarnating. It will be a completely different consciousness, a clean slate, so its basically the same fate as eternal nothingness.
God damn now I'm having an anxiety attack over this shit lol fuck death man
I think that if you do come to understand we are created and that we are endowed by our creator with an immortal part that you'll have greater peace of mind. Just look around and see the world and you must understand that there is a divine architect who made this world, and us. When we pass on our body returns to the earth from which its made and our soul returns unto God who gave it.
Or its all just a natural miracle? Idk ... as much as I want to be a spiritual guy, I'm more of a science guy, I believe what makes sense scientifically. The only part I start to question it all is "the big bang" .. thats when my spiritual and scientific views collide and idk what to think from there.
But my point is, if its not ME experiencing what goes on after this life, who cares really? If my "soul" or whatever passes on to something greater or into a new life, it won't be ME experiencing this new life or greater consciousness, so in the end it doesn't matter. ME will be gone, and I don't ever want to leave ...
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I was legit clinically dead for an undetermined amount of time and all I remember is blackness. Of course if I was dead how was there a consciousness to remember it? An afterlife is a comforting concept though.
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Yeah the only thing I've found on suicide in the Bible doesn't mention it as a mortal sin. In fact several characters have committed suicide and the Bible doesn't condemn them to hell. I find great comfort in this.
I wish mental illness was treated like cancer or other terminal illness. Sadly that is not the case. I know from personal experience with my wife leaving me when I was so sick I was manic worst ever seen. I didn't mean to lose my mind I didn't want to hurt her emotional like I did. For that I can not forgive myself. It has been the worst year of my life and all I want is for the pain to end. Since it is not possible for me to get her back. I don't want to break my vows. I am truly sorry for everything that happened. I've tried to get better but I still can't forgive myself. I've been reaching out to family only to be called a pussy and be rejected . I've even tried praying for relief and nothing. I've sought out council in a therapist regularly and still I don't have any relief. My friends have abandoned me and I spend most of my time alone .
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
#23778013 - 10/27/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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trekie said:
I wish mental illness was treated like cancer or other terminal illness. Sadly that is not the case. I know from personal experience with my wife leaving me when I was so sick I was manic worst ever seen. I didn't mean to lose my mind I didn't want to hurt her emotional like I did. For that I can not forgive myself. It has been the worst year of my life and all I want is for the pain to end. Since it is not possible for me to get her back. I don't want to break my vows. I am truly sorry for everything that happened. I've tried to get better but I still can't forgive myself. I've been reaching out to family only to be called a pussy and be rejected . I've even tried praying for relief and nothing. I've sought out council in a therapist regularly and still I don't have any relief. My friends have abandoned me and I spend most of my time alone .
People make mistakes man .. sure some people fuck up really bad, but I think everyone deserves a second chance as long as they truly realized they fucked up the first time and never do it again.
I think you need to do your best to move on instead of trying to win your previous life/people back. You need to quit beating yourself up over whatever you did, and begin a new chapter in your life. If your family and friends aren't being supportive of you, and rejecting you, then you don't need them right now. Try finding new people to be with, and work on becoming a better person. When you improve yourself and your friends and family actually see you've changed, then maybe they'll take you back you know? They probably just don't want to support you right now because you fucked up bad and they still think you're that person. Maybe a year or a few months from now, they'll see you've changed and they'll be less negative towards you!
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