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trekie
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The Afterlife
#23772764 - 10/26/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What do you guys think happens when you pass on?
Is there a judgment where some higher power judges you and you get sent to a different plane of existence based on your actions? Or is just saying your sorry good enough and bam your in heaven? What about suicides , rapist , murders who are mentally ill do they get a one way ticket to hell? Can someone be a good person but in a moment of illness do something horrible and be forgiven?
Or is this life like ground hog day were we are just doomed to repeat it over and over again for all time?
I would like to believe if there is a higher power they are merciful despite what I see here on this rock
What do you guys think?
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie] 1
#23772819 - 10/26/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think what most people call a soul is actually a small part of the energy source as a whole. It possesses the physical body as a way for god, or whatever you want to call the source, to experience the physical realm. After the body dies, that soul, remnant of energy, is recycled. The next life could be a tree, blade of grass, butterfly, or even a species on another planet.
Ultimately, I think this process continues over and over until all possibilities of the third dimension have been explored, then it moves up to the next level.
Consider the egg theory, but with multi-dimensions before we reach a god like state.
I asked a mushroom trip, now remember this was a trip, to show me the truth about existence once. It showed me that we are nothing more than a simulation in the mind of the ultimate being, so that it could feel something other than loneliness.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: thebug76]
#23772914 - 10/26/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Reincarnation aside, I'd say everyone eventually ends up in the same place, cus we're all the same, we're all love deep down. as for the the really bad apples, the full spectrum must be represented, and you'd commit the same evil deeds in their shoes. to judge people is to not see the big picture.
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trekie
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Reincarnation to me seems like hell. This life is filled with such great pain that I wouldn't want to groundhog day it till the end of time. Happiness comes but when it goes it leaves such a huge hole one that seems to get bigger overtime.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
#23772976 - 10/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I'll die and cease to exist, the energy that I'm comprised off will transfer and become energy for something else, but my consciousness/awareness of anything or sense of self will disappear.
If that's not the case, then I have no idea because I have no memory of anything before I was born so even if there is something it'll most likely be like I'm starting fresh and would have no memory of this life just like I have no memory of any other lives I might of lived. I highly doubt that if there is something after this life that there's anything remotely resembling heaven or hell or even a sense of individuality or awareness that you're seperate from anything, you as in the part that identifies as an individual ceases to exist even if some part of you or your "soul" moves on to some type of alternate reality.
I think the idea of heaven and hell is nothing more then a way for people to judge other people or try to scare them into living/behaving the way they perceive as correct.
But if there is a higher power, I would imagine it would have to be merciful or at least understanding if you stray from the right path, it threw us into a world of uncertainty full of different religions that contradict one another and which one people believe in seems almost fully dependent on where they where born or which one they were raised with and we're given no gaurantee of which one is correct when morality in general is clearly subjective, but then punishes you for all eternity if you don't do things the right way or believe in the right one? I doubt any omnipotent god would be that much of a dick.
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I feel like we are the universe expierencing itself, we and every obeject makes up the universe, meaming it is one thing, i do feel conciousness survives death because coincousness is most likely energy and energy canot be created or destroyed due to the first law of thermodynamics, but idk where or what conciousness does after we pass but i also feel like were meant to expierence death, its meant to happen everything seems to have a purpose, but all aside all we all have no true clue whats really going on lol
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Sanguin3]
#23773427 - 10/26/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a few ideas on the afterlife. Clearly with no physical body we won't have any memory or be able to feel and experience things how we do now.
I like to think it will be like being a beam of light, just constantly flying through space, no thoughts or feelings, just raw experience.
I also like to think our memories will be encoded as data into a black hole. We could even be re experiencing stored data in some super massive black hole right now...
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Most likely -as in the simplest theory and the one that doesn't invoke unknown forces- death is just an end. I mean if you can not exist before life, why is it so odd to not exist after it?
alternatively, I'm very taken with the notion that the true nature of the world is mind, one vast mind divided only aesthetically into the forms of this world. This mind is always working, always experiencing, and it is always now. We are part of it, only we forget to play our part en-forming the universe, until that form passes, and we wake up back into ourselves.
obviously nobody knows, but I 'feel' like it's gonna be one of those two.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
#23773718 - 10/26/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No need to wonder- read the numerous accounts of those who have died and been revived. We now have thousands of records from those who have experienced death and returned to tell the tale. No past generation ever had the wealth of knowledge we now have about the afterlife and death experience, as modern medicine revives more and more people from death who go on to share their amazing stories.
If you want to know what space is like, ask an astronaut. If you want to know what the ocean is like, ask a diver.
If you want to know what dying and the afterlife is like, ask those who have died and returned to tell the tale.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe] 2
#23774400 - 10/26/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They have not truly died . I have had a near death experience and what I saw was not the same thing as if I was to die for good. I remember as well feeling at peace and quiet and having that ripped away from me. Things haven't been able to be the same since. Bump for the lnc crew.
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
#23774420 - 10/26/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It doesn't make any sense to me that after life comes more life. That just sounds like a load of shit, and to me the idea of eternal nothingness gives me alot of comfort. It's the dying part that scares me more than death.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
#23774428 - 10/26/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes , a lot of them were actually medically dead and came back to life.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
#23774482 - 10/26/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eternal Now.
You never leave, nor do you ever return. I think the term afterlife can be best substituted for hereafter. That's a line I got from Alan Watts in some way.
At an ultimate level, I imagine just a great infinite void with infinite creative potential to exist just big bangs another universe to experience itself.
I love the time paradox and I'm no academic or scholar, but there is no before the big bang as the process of change over duration and space manifested AFTER it happened FIRST. So all "time" we experience is still that same process happening right now. Even if it fragmented itself as a 14 billion year old evolving universal paradigm up until now, it's still all connected as that one initial bang energy.
We aren't separate. I do feel it breaks down like fractals, and there is no true ultimate realization. We go through lifetimes, dimensions, whatever and all choices are created now. We wake up from the dream of this life like "Wow what a dream! But this... THIS is reality" over and over and use the experienced simulation to better ourselves in whatever form we find ourselves. WIthout the parameters of human consciousness, I imagine soul land to be still filled with entities, some of which help us to choose a proper "next" (could be past or future) incarnation. Eventually then we become those beings so on and so forth until everything everywhere in this universe is experienced and it collapses.
Think of the light/darkness of the universe. All galaxies centered with a supermassive black hole, and around it are stars, around those are planets and on planets are beings. SOme of which grow capable to travel to other star systems and even interdimensionally. It makes for so much variation of experience it would seem eternal to experience ALL experience of all timelines of this single universal construct but it'll go beyond that I feel.
I rambled like hell, i'm done lol
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: Moonshoe]
#23774743 - 10/26/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Yes , a lot of them were actually medically dead and came back to life.
Being declared dead by a doctor is not the same thing as being fully and completely dead, it's a convention that serves a legal purpose. If you're "medically dead" and come back to life, the cells of your body were alive the whole time. Nobody comes back from full cellular death.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: psi]
#23774767 - 10/26/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Somebody can arrive in the ER after having cpr forever by emts and have been dead and the doctor calls it. They were dead. Dead on arrival.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: EDM] 1
#23774869 - 10/26/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Death" can refer to various stages in a sequence of biological processes or lack thereof. My point was that if someone experiences xyz while "medically dead" but can later be revived, their experiences really aren't a very good indication of what there might be to experience after the point where none of the cells in your body are alive at all (or don't even exist any more, e.g. if you're cremated.)
If it's possible to experience anything without a living brain, we are not going to find this out from anyone who was "dead" and then revived.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: trekie]
#23774900 - 10/26/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see four major possibilities: complete annihilation/external nonexistence, reincarnation, some kind of wildly different psychedelic afterlife, or if we're very very lucky this could all be a simulation in which case all bets are off.
If this is a simulation, you could do anything imaginable. Fuck, you could put everyone who dies into the single player campaign of the video game Quake, why not? You can do anything in a simulation that you can with a computer, which means you can do literally anything. There might even be a Game Over screen if this is a simulation. Maybe even New Game+.
If this isn't a simulation, then I think your choices are annihilation, reincarnation, or psychedelic insanity the like of which we cannot even begin to imagine. Maybe there is something approaching a traditional afterlife if this isn't a simulation, but I highly doubt it.
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Re: The Afterlife [Re: nooneman]
#23774923 - 10/26/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My feeling is that your subjective experiences probably cease completely once your brain is dead, but that aspects of your personality can sort of live on through other people you influenced during your life.
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