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Satyr604
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Ibotenic acid to muscimol in A. Muscaria
#23772311 - 10/26/16 04:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been wanting to tango with Amanita Muscaria for a while now, especially after reading a very interesting tek that describes making a mulled wine with it. I'm interested in the visionary dreams, especially.
After a hike or two, I was able to collect a few specimens. Right now they are drying, though only fan-wise. For fly agaric, it's vital you turn the ibotenic acid in there into muscimol. That is, if you don't want to feel like dying and would like to trip instead. That's where my question comes in: for turning said ibotenic acid into muscimol, does it suffice to fan dry them, or does it require heat? In that case, how much heat? Would a heater be enough, or are we talking ovens here? Would boiling in an acid environment (making mulled wine) be enough?
Many thanks in advance and I look forward to your answers.
-------------------- To do: sclerotia, DMT, mushrooms, LSA, mescaline.
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jsncrs
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Re: Ibotenic acid to muscimol in A. Muscaria [Re: Satyr604]
#23772339 - 10/26/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe heat is needed to make the conversion, from what I remember. Could be wrong though.
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Pandemoon
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Re: Ibotenic acid to muscimol in A. Muscaria [Re: jsncrs]
#23772379 - 10/26/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think fan drying is fine, though I prefer baking them with low to mid heat until crackerdry in the oven.
Be arware that those mushrooms have been dried by sunlight and solar heat only for thousand of years. So "heat" is not necessarily needed.
I don't know about decarboxylation in a solution. Drying them is a safe way to do so, I'd dry & powderize them, then proceed with making wine / liqueur using the powder.
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Satyr604
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Re: Ibotenic acid to muscimol in A. Muscaria [Re: Pandemoon]
#23772430 - 10/26/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pandemoon said: I think fan drying is fine, though I prefer baking them with low to mid heat until crackerdry in the oven.
Be arware that those mushrooms have been dried by sunlight and solar heat only for thousand of years. So "heat" is not necessarily needed.
I don't know about decarboxylation in a solution. Drying them is a safe way to do so, I'd dry & powderize them, then proceed with making wine / liqueur using the powder.
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Mm, but solar heat is still a form of heat, yeah? Not as intense as ovens maybe, but still. 
Also, I love your teks. Very clear and, ooh, pictures! Some justice done to this wildly unpopular mushroom. Especially the liqueur/tincture one, even thinking of going that route myself. Seems easier than simmering wine for a few hours.
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Pandemoon
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Re: Ibotenic acid to muscimol in A. Muscaria [Re: Satyr604]
#23773023 - 10/26/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks. The tincture works pretty well, in fact I had the best results by ingesting Amanita in liquid form, tea or tincture. Make sure to soak the mushrooms / powder for a few days.
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Re: Ibotenic acid to muscimol in A. Muscaria [Re: Pandemoon]
#23776903 - 10/27/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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True, decarbing in solution doesn't work.
Fan dry completely, then bake at 190f to ensure completion.
Make sure to do the sun exposure last if you do, as that method also forms the inactive muscazone from Ibotenic acid.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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