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Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue
#23771471 - 10/25/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So i have followed Frank's Teks up to this point and Everything has been going just swimmingly until i got to this section. I used one brick of the same Coco Coir as frank used. I placed one brick in my 5 gallon bucket along with 3 Qt of Verm. Following Frank's directions, I added 4 Qt of water for the brick and an additional 1 and 1/2 Qt for the Verm. According to frank, This should be enough to fill 12 Qt jars, but I was only successful in making 7 full jars of substrate. I tapped it on the ground and packed it till there was only about an Inch to a half of an inch from the top. Is it the right amount just maybe in a different sized jar? For example he Used the wide mouth jars while i only have the small mouthed regular canning jars. I just dont want to put it into my monotub just to find out i didnt have enough for some odd reason. Ill still be pasteurizing tomorrow though. Thanks for your help!
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: fungus420]
#23771491 - 10/25/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Typically, jars are never filled more than 3/4 full. Most of the time, jars that will be used for grain-to-grain transfers are filled 2/3 full with the intention of adding colonized grain to inoculate them.
Edit: Guess who didn't see the word "substrate." :S Now substrate jars, that I don't know.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: r.lutece]
#23771500 - 10/25/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You packed it in the jars tighter than Frank did...
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23771533 - 10/25/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tighter isnt better but will still work. Just harder to fork out in the end
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: tump]
#23772358 - 10/26/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: cronicr]
#23772531 - 10/26/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The problem is you are following Frank's coir Tek and not Damion5050's!
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23772965 - 10/26/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like you should have enough substrate since you most likely packed it in a lot tighter than Frank (should still be good to go for pasteurizing, tho). If it turns out you have less substrate than expected, just add more colonized grain to the tub to bring it up to a 3-4 inch depth (i go with a 1-1(ish) ) ratio most of the time at this point, since i have an abundance of colonized jars and that ratio seems to result in a healthier, increased # of flushes per tub
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23773260 - 10/26/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: The problem is you are following Frank's coir Tek and not Damion5050's! 
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23773272 - 10/26/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Figuring out how to pasturize properly is a good thing n I'd rather see folks go that route.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: cronicr]
#23773625 - 10/26/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i recently did a somewhat controlled experiment with 3 tubs done with the bucket tek, vs 3 tubs done with pasterurized CVG. All using rye grain as spawn (all jars given the visual as well as smell test prior to spawning, and all prepared with the same CVG mix (same coir brand for all tubs).
Out of the three bucket tek tubs, one developed trich before the first flush, one got it after the 1st flush, and one got it shortly after the second flush.
Out of the three pasteurized tubs, one went two flushes before developing a small trich spot which i performed some surgery on and was able to salvage a decent third flush. One got 2 nice flushes, then dunked it and got two more. The third tub got 5 nice flushes (dunked it after 2nd).
Pasteurizing is definitely the way to go, and doesn't really require that much more effort compared to the bucket tek
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23773721 - 10/26/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Correlation is not causation. Let alone basing on one flawed "experiment"
I bucket all my coir. Usually see no contamination before flush 3. And I find cubes do better on coir cooked at higher temperature like bucket coir.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23774288 - 10/26/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree 100, if bucketed coir contaminates before the first flush it was your spawn not the method.
But Cron has a point, it is good for people to learn to pasteurize. I just feel like for people new to growing or new to working with a bulk substrate, it really can't get any easier than Damion5050.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23774322 - 10/26/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
I have a question to the Coir brickets you use:
Are they sterilized when coming "out of the box"?
Actually if I understood the bulking correctly, the coir is not ALLOWED to be sterile.
But in Germany it seems that all coir brickets are sterile with hot dampf before packaged.
Are the coir brickets in the US also sterilized by the "manufacturer" and I just overred this or do I have to search for a coir bricket in germany which is not sterile out of the box?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23774347 - 10/26/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're not sterilizing the coir to kill shit in it, you're sterilizing it because it needs to be cooked. The coir doesn't need to be sterile in the present tense, it just has to have been sterilized or pasteurized before use. Okay it doesn't even need that honestly, but you really should.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23774373 - 10/26/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, I understood that already, actually I furthermore understood, that sterilizing is bad for the coir (bulk substrate).
The question was different: In germany you can't get UNSTERILE coir, it seems impossible. Maybe its because of the law here, I don't know, but all the coir brickets I found are sterile "out of the box".
Could this be a problem, since I red, that sterile bulk substrate is not good, it should just be pasteurized?
Sorry if I didn't explain it well, it's 3 o'clock here and my english gets bad after midnight
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23774379 - 10/26/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: actually I furthermore understood, that sterilizing is bad for the coir (bulk substrate).
Then you aren't paying attention because I just said, in my last post, that you can, and should, sterilize coir. If you can concisely explain to me why coir shouldn't be sterilized I'll take your word and change my paradigm. But I'm pretty sure you're just recalling information that doesn't apply to coir. Manure is what you don't want to be sterilizing as a bulk substrate.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Inocuole]
#23774410 - 10/26/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And by sterile they as in the coir company simply mean they killed off any seeds in it.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: cronicr]
#23774438 - 10/26/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Then you aren't paying attention because I just said, in my last post, that you can, and should, sterilize coir. But I'm pretty sure you're just recalling information that doesn't apply to coir. Manure is what you don't want to be sterilizing as a bulk substrate.
I'm really sorry, I could swear I have read a few times now, that sterilizing a cvg substrate is not good as it kills everything that is needed in the bulk substrate. But I tried searching for this misinformation and didn't find it, sorry, I really have thought that sterilizing is not good for CVG.
So I should sterilize my CVG substrate. I have these autoclavable filter bags, I'll do it in it. But there could be a problem of lack of space in my - unfortunately - very small PC. Do you recommend a noob to just proper pasteurize the cvg substrate?
If I have sterilized my CVG, I still can put it into the monotub in open air, right?
(Sorry, if the questions are stupid :P
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cronicr said: And by sterile they as in the coir company simply mean they killed off any seeds in it.
Ah, ok, fine
So as a resume: It absolutely no problem to buy this "sterilized" coir.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23774488 - 10/26/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coir is the only bulk substrate that can be sterilized.
Every other recipe needs proper pasteurization(horse or cow poop, straw, coffee, etc...)
Coir has no thermophile bacteria in it so pasteurization is pointless for coir
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#23774519 - 10/26/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even if it did Goodluck getting anything to germinate on it
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23774558 - 10/26/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Coir is the only bulk substrate that can be sterilized.
Every other recipe needs proper pasteurization(horse or cow poop, straw, coffee, etc...)
Coir has no thermophile bacteria in it so pasteurization is pointless for coir
What you said also applies to a Coir-Verm-Gypsum Mix as Bulk, right?
Sorry, but now I'm totally confused If pasteurization is pointless for a CVG bulk sub, why do all the tek talk about proper pasteurization of CVG,
for example Franks Tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844
He just pasteurizes the CVG and I didn't find any tek that recommends to sterilize a CVG Mix. Also the bucket tek seems to be some kind of pasteurization.
Am I getting something wrong? Sorry for bothering you.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23774619 - 10/26/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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coir verm gypsum can be sterilized yes. when people say coir they usually mean CVG (with V and G being optional)
pasteurization like frank's method is just fine, some people believe in proper pasteurization every time. even with CVG
however you can sterilize CVG
the damion5050(which has nothing to do with 50/50 it's just his user name) bucket tek is partial sterilization.
you add boiling water to your coir. the temperature is above 170F which is partial sterilization. 170F kills pretty much all vegetative bacteria (aside from shit found in extreme places which isn't in your house anyway)
if you accidentally go to 170F when pasteurizing any combination of(straw, horse or cow shit, coffee, worm casings, etc..) then you kill the microbes that you wanted to leave in your substrate. (straw, horse or cow shit, coffee, worm casings, etc..)have microbes in them and require pasteurization to shift the balance of microbes to all heat loving microbes. these microbes pose no threats to your cubensis grow. and help keep other microbes from causing problems during colonization.
if you mix(straw, horse or cow shit, coffee, worm casings, etc..) into CVG you have to do proper pasteurization. likewise using (straw, horse or cow shit, coffee, worm casings, etc..) or any combination of them requires proper pasteurization
since coir is made sterile from the manufacturing process. you just simply need to hydrate it. there's no microbes for pasteurization to have any effect other than killing things you introduce. but they will not germinate on coir anyway ( this is why it's used in reptile terrariums because it will not mold or spoil for months on end even while wet) this is why the cubensis mycelium can colonize the coir and only if your spawn is dirty do you see contamination before the first flush.
if you cook the fuck out of the coir the mycelium has an easier time colonizing it.at least in my opinion performance is far better if you cook the coir and it turns to a much darker brown nearly black.
proper pasteurization is fine to cook the coir. and a great way to learn proper pasteurization. I'll admit I started off doing frank's pasteurization with coir in jars on the stove.
once you learn how to do it that way it's now a skill you own. I would move on to sterilizing your coir after learning how to pasteurize.
it's easier to just boil the fuck out of it.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23774648 - 10/26/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you very much Bodhi, now I understood everything It was really confusing actually 
Since I want to start only with CVG sub I can either pasteurize or sterilize. I don't know why but I consider sterilizing easier that pasteurizing. It's just filling the sub into filter bags and put it in the PC. But I will pasteurize it to learn pasteurizing as you said
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23774649 - 10/26/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hope that made sense.
Don't worry about the nutrition of the substrate. you're getting your nutrition from the grain spawn. your substrate supplies water.
regardless of people using poo or coir or whatever else 2 dry ounces(56.7g) of mushrooms from 1 "myco" quart/liter of grain(that's 2/3 full only so there's room to shake) is a good goal.
I've yet to see one substrate that consistently makes you get more dry mushroom weight per quart/liter of spawn used
which is why I have the opinion that the substrate is a sponge "water engine" for the mycelium to make fruits.
and coir does a mighty fine job of doing that. as has been shown hundreds of times by people doing amazing CVG tubs.
if you weigh grows though it's pretty clear that mycelium gets something more than water out of coir, and any other substrate too. but you can't argue with the how easy it is to prepare, if you sterilize it, and contamination resistant it is even when sterilized.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23774722 - 10/26/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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50g of dried shrooms per jar would be amazing I hope I will also harvest so much. At the moment I'm still at the "cleaning agar" stadium but I really like to read/know/ask everything before I start, so I used the chance to ask for CVG in this thread eventhoug it's quite a long way until I can start with bulk sub.
Thank you very much, you helped me a Lot.
Could you just repeat the last sentence "but you can't argue with..." in other words? I actually don't understand ist. Sorry!
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23774750 - 10/26/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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this has cleared things up for me as well (also re-read through Spitball's 'Bucket Tek vs proper pasteurization thread--especially the last couple pages)...sorry about my earlier post with regard to the confidence i had in my 'experiment'. Most likely the higher success rate of the pasteurized tubs vs those done with the bucket tek was due to the coir getting more evenly and thoroughly cooked in the jars (seemed like it was always hard to keep the scalding hot CVG in the bucket from being uneven and lumpy with the long mixing spoon i was using)
Definitely gonna start doing some tubs with sterilized CVG and see how that goes
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23774780 - 10/26/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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but you can't argue with the how easy it(coir or CVG) is to prepare, if you sterilize it, and contamination resistant it is even when sterilized.
saying CVG or coir is so easy to prepare, because you can sterilize it. it is also contamination resistant, and it's still resistant when sterilized.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23774795 - 10/26/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ya it's definitely easier to sterilize than pasteurize...another reason i'm glad I found this thread
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23774847 - 10/26/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you very much bodhi, now I understood the sentence
Do you sterilize CVG in hard or is the usage of a unicorn filter bag better? And if so, do I have to seal the bag completely or is folding it to prevent water getting in enough? I think sealing is not necessary since it is spawned in open air anyway, right?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23774851 - 10/26/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23797842 - 11/03/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So i went a head and pasteurized the jars and made up the mono tub. that was Oct. 29 at 7p.m. I just wanted to give everyone an update with a few pictures of how its coming along. Let me know what you think! 


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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: fungus420]
#23813174 - 11/08/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man... what the hell have I been doing the last couple years. I'm in the same boat as a couple of you, I thought I was supposed to be pasteurizing my coir, all this fiddling with the correct temps has been a waste of time lol. I mean, I guess I know now, but I don't think I'm going to be using poo or anything anytime soon.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby] 1
#23815371 - 11/09/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: ya it's definitely easier to sterilize than pasteurize...another reason i'm glad I found this thread 
Either way it's extra work... Really just pour boiling water over the coco coir and verm inside a bucket and it is golden. No sterilizer, no filter bag, no thermometer. Have been doing it for years, I promise it works wonderfully.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23815806 - 11/09/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: ya it's definitely easier to sterilize than pasteurize...another reason i'm glad I found this thread 
Either way it's extra work... Really just pour boiling water over the coco coir and verm inside a bucket and it is golden. No sterilizer, no filter bag, no thermometer. Have been doing it for years, I promise it works wonderfully.
My Elementary Coir Tek - by Damion5050
Lemme just get this straight...
to use a couple extreme examples--
1.) if you were to take perfectly clean, colonized spawn and add it to a brick of coir with some vermiculite and gypsum and no water (lets even say the coir brick has been broken up nicely but is left dry), this wouldn't work.
2.) if you take that spawn and add it to a CVG mix that is extremely muddy from too much water, this wouldn't work (given that it's done at the typical spawn to substrate ratio)
would you guys agree on this?
so there IS a target area within which the CVG needs to become hydrated and mixed evenly so as to allow for fast, efficient colonization, no?
So wouldn't mixing errything up really good, sqeeze-testing it for field capacity, then loading it into jars and cooking it thouroughly be the best way?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23815829 - 11/09/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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as swazey said that's just extra work. after a couple runs you know how much water to add and you get perfect results every time.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23815845 - 11/09/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: So wouldn't mixing errything up really good, sqeeze-testing it for field capacity, then loading it into jars and cooking it thouroughly be the best way?
I guess technically. If you wanna do a but load more work than you have to... Or you could just measure how much water you put in the bucket for bucket tek.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: ComebackKid]
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crackbaby said: So wouldn't mixing errything up really good, sqeeze-testing it for field capacity, then loading it into jars and cooking it thouroughly be the best way? use the substrate in a tub
that would be the easiest until you learn how much water to use. use hot/boiling water in your bucket and you dont need another round of heating.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23815898 - 11/09/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sometimes the bricks vary in size and weight. I usually adjust based on that. But really a smidge dry won't hurt a thing which is why the standard bucket tek errs on the dry side.
I used to sterilize my coir all the time. It was extra work but I loved how it colonized. Sometimes I will pack a few buckets worth into jars and sterilize the hell outta them. Leave the lids on and use for small projects as needed. But the bucket is the workhorse. Too easy.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23815956 - 11/09/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: as swazey said that's just extra work. after a couple runs you know how much water to add and you get perfect results every time.
agreed
for me the difficulty with Damion's tek is where you come back in a half hour and try and mix up the scalding hot, still somewhat hard, coir brick with the verm and gypsum--usually resulting in lots of improperly hydrated/heated chunks. I've never tried breaking up the brick beforehand tho, which would probably make it much easier.
Perhaps there should be a modification to Damion's tek, where you break up the brick with a hammer/chisel or whatever, prior to adding the boiling water to the mix. Of course, for that section of the tek it can say-- *this modification provided courtesy of crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: ComebackKid]
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When you did that, did you sterilzed only the coir or the whole substrate, ergo the CVG?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23815964 - 11/09/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use a large wooden spoon for that, never had a problem. I wouldn't stick my hand in there, no!
splitting the coir brick is real easy, you dont need a hammer and chissel, just a butter knife jammed in along the fibers, it breaks up real easy.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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spacechildo said: as swazey said that's just extra work. after a couple runs you know how much water to add and you get perfect results every time.
agreed
for me the difficulty with Damion's tek is where you come back in a half hour and try and mix up the scalding hot, still somewhat hard, coir brick with the verm and gypsum--usually resulting in lots of improperly hydrated/heated chunks. I've never tried breaking up the brick beforehand tho, which would probably make it much easier.
Perhaps there should be a modification to Damion's tek, where you break up the brick with a hammer/chisel or whatever, prior to adding the boiling water to the mix. Of course, for that section of the tek it can say-- *this modification provided courtesy of crackbaby 
That takes all the ease out of the tek.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: cronicr]
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i also use a long wooden spoon, but it's always been with a solid brick. And since it IS rather easy to break up the brick when you take a knife or chisel to the sides that allow you to go along the fibers, i think the tek would still retain its easy status with the crackbaby modification. I'll await my Trusted Cultivator ranking, thank you
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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I use a folding knife to just crack the brick apart and break up into small chunks. Then I don't even bother to mix up with a spoon, just leave it and come back when it's cool.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23818496 - 11/10/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Use a small gardening hand shovel to mix the bucket Tek.
You can also let it sit for long enough to be completely cool before you mix it if you like, I believe Damion wrote 30 minutes after dumping the water or something like that but like PW, I like to let it sit for at least a few hours.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23818990 - 11/10/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: Use a small gardening hand shovel to mix the bucket Tek.
You can also let it sit for long enough to be completely cool before you mix it if you like, I believe Damion wrote 30 minutes after dumping the water or something like that but like PW, I like to let it sit for at least a few hours.
not trying to be argumentive here, but the long wooden mixing spoon i use is about twice as long as a typical gardening hand shovel, and i still usually come close to burning the shit out of my hands when trying to mix up everything (when using Damion's tek with a solid brick). And letting everything cool down first prior to mixing would be less than optimal, since the coir wouldn't be evenly cooked (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819016 - 11/10/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The inside temp of the bucket gets to about 165-180 degrees, regardless if you mix it or not.
Have tested it with a digital probe a few times.
Stick to your wooden spoon if you like it - I just used to use one and when I picked up the gardening shovel I never put it down lol. Sometimes I use a paint mixer on a powered drill... Just depends on how many buckets are made up and what kind of mood I'm in
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819029 - 11/10/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I put on some gloves and mix it. Brewers gloves are made so you can grab parts out of a kettle of boiling water
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
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no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
ah jeez, here we go again i'm not saying that improperly cooked coir will necessarily cause the grow to fail, but rather it makes it easier for the mycellium to colonize the CVG effectively and efficiently when it's cooked the right way. I make this statement based on posts i've read by Trusted Cultivators in this regard, along with my own experience
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
ah jeez, here we go again i'm not saying that improperly cooked coir will necessarily cause the grow to fail, but rather it makes it easier for the mycellium to colonize the CVG effectively and efficiently when it's cooked the right way. I make this statement based on posts i've read by Trusted Cultivators in this regard, along with my own experience 
Make statements om experience not conjecture. You're not even great at repeating
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819142 - 11/10/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're reading TC's wrong then, the quotes I bet you've read is sterilization vs bucket vs pasteurization vs cold water. see pirates post above.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
ah jeez, here we go again i'm not saying that improperly cooked coir will necessarily cause the grow to fail, but rather it makes it easier for the mycellium to colonize the CVG effectively and efficiently when it's cooked the right way. I make this statement based on posts i've read by Trusted Cultivators in this regard, along with my own experience 
Make statements om experience not conjecture. You're not even great at repeating
is english your second language, or do you just sloppily skim through the posts you read? My post says 'along with my own experience'. The proof is in the pudding, son.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819163 - 11/10/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea and I've got experience with your mom. Just can't post the pictures...
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819178 - 11/10/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you cook the fuck out of the coir the mycelium has an easier time colonizing it.at least in my opinion performance is far better if you cook the coir and it turns to a much darker brown nearly black.
proper pasteurization is fine to cook the coir. and a great way to learn proper pasteurization. I'll admit I started off doing frank's pasteurization with coir in jars on the stove.
once you learn how to do it that way it's now a skill you own. I would move on to sterilizing your coir after learning how to pasteurize.
it's easier to just boil the fuck out of it.
dude, wtf?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819184 - 11/10/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'll be awaiting your apology
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819192 - 11/10/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: you're reading TC's wrong then, the quotes I bet you've read is sterilization vs bucket vs pasteurization vs cold water.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819222 - 11/10/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Buddy, your quote of bhodi was an answer to one of my questions, when you read the whole thread, you'll notice, that he states several times, that pasteurizing or sterilizing is not necessary for coir, but as I am a noob he recommended to start with pasteurizing just to learn the process.
The question was more "is it ok to sterilize coir?" and not "is sterilized coir better?"
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819227 - 11/10/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like how he quotes me explaining the same thing that we've been explaining
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23819317 - 11/10/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: Buddy, your quote of bhodi was an answer to one of my questions, when you read the whole thread, you'll notice, that he states several times, that pasteurizing or sterilizing is not necessary for coir, but as I am a noob he recommended to start with pasteurizing just to learn the process.
The question was more "is it ok to sterilize coir?" and not "is sterilized coir better?" 
the question at this point is whether properly cooked coir is more effective/efficient than it is when its under cooked or unevenly cooked.
And spacechilido should carefully read bhodi's post and admit that he is wrong
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819331 - 11/10/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's really all apples & oranges... Unsupplemented coir, heat and water plus clean spawn equals lots of shrooms. It performs the same if you bucket it, sterilize it or pasterize it. Of course learning pasteurization is a keystone technique that all mushroom growers should know if they plan on moving past cubensis. I just like the bucket because I don't see a need to complicate it past boil water and mix. Just the opinion of a nobody who's done it a lot.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23819344 - 11/10/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm friends with everyone here. I want to see everyone grow more mushrooms.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
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if you cook the fuck out of the coir the mycelium has an easier time colonizing it.at least in my opinion performance is far better if you cook the coir and it turns to a much darker brown nearly black.
proper pasteurization is fine to cook the coir. and a great way to learn proper pasteurization. I'll admit I started off doing frank's pasteurization with coir in jars on the stove.
once you learn how to do it that way it's now a skill you own. I would move on to sterilizing your coir after learning how to pasteurize.
it's easier to just boil the fuck out of it.
dude, wtf?
just do the math
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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are you high? those two posts agree with each other
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819361 - 11/10/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really dislike arguing on this site, but I feel the need to shoot down awful advice like this, it only becomes a problem when the provider of awful advice starts twisting words and refusing to learn the basics 101.
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crackbaby said: i recently did a somewhat controlled experiment with 3 tubs done with the bucket tek, vs 3 tubs done with pasterurized CVG. All using rye grain as spawn (all jars given the visual as well as smell test prior to spawning, and all prepared with the same CVG mix (same coir brand for all tubs).
Out of the three bucket tek tubs, one developed trich before the first flush, one got it after the 1st flush, and one got it shortly after the second flush.
Out of the three pasteurized tubs, one went two flushes before developing a small trich spot which i performed some surgery on and was able to salvage a decent third flush. One got 2 nice flushes, then dunked it and got two more. The third tub got 5 nice flushes (dunked it after 2nd).
Pasteurizing is definitely the way to go, and doesn't really require that much more effort compared to the bucket tek
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819376 - 11/10/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I'm friends with everyone here. I want to see everyone grow more mushrooms.
when you're on the internet it's all about how YOU, the individual, take things.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
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PirateSwazey said: It's really all apples & oranges... Unsupplemented coir, heat and water plus clean spawn equals lots of shrooms. It performs the same if you bucket it, sterilize it or pasterize it. Of course learning pasteurization is a keystone technique that all mushroom growers should know if they plan on moving past cubensis. I just like the bucket because I don't see a need to complicate it past boil water and mix. Just the opinion of a nobody who's done it a lot.
Don't know why you guys like to argue so much... It's a lot easier to deal with making friends than enemies 
Be love! 
i always try to be kind and shroomy to my fellow members, until someone becomes offensive towards me. Bohdi's attitude (along with spacechild) seems to be relentlessly pompous, antagonistic and degrading (notice how quick he is to start with the personal insults, referring to my mom). It's become more apparent the more i frequent this forum
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819406 - 11/10/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure I come off pompous to a few people. Isn't going to change anything though. I've been more successful helping a greater proportion of civil and level headed people this way.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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this should be the welcome to the shroomery message you see everytime you log in:
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819417 - 11/10/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: are you high? those two posts agree with each other
once again you didn't notice the key statement within the post-- spacechild says properly cooked coir 'doesn't matter', while you say that 'performance is far better when you cook the shit out of it'
definitely a contradiction here
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819444 - 11/10/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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one last time for crackbaby:
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crackbaby said: spacechild says properly cooked coir 'doesn't matter', while you say that 'performance is far better when you cook the shit out of it'
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
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crackbaby said: Pasteurizing is definitely the way to go, and doesn't really require that much more effort compared to the bucket tek
you keep blaming the bucket tek for failed grows, even using your own limited exp as "proof". I say bucket tek, pasteurization or sterilization of coir doesnt matter WHEN IT COMES TO FAILURES. they all work.
bottom line: so when a newb says his grows keep failing, and you advice pasteurization over bucket tek, you're simply wrong.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
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I just realized crackbaby has half his posts in the romper room. and a quarter in the pub. why even bother....
he's probably banned from both a needs a new arena to troll on... no one's this slow. its been the same shit for a week now.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said: I really dislike arguing on this site, but I feel the need to shoot down awful advice like this, it only becomes a problem when the provider of awful advice starts twisting words and refusing to learn the basics 101.
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crackbaby said: i recently did a somewhat controlled experiment with 3 tubs done with the bucket tek, vs 3 tubs done with pasterurized CVG. All using rye grain as spawn (all jars given the visual as well as smell test prior to spawning, and all prepared with the same CVG mix (same coir brand for all tubs).
Out of the three bucket tek tubs, one developed trich before the first flush, one got it after the 1st flush, and one got it shortly after the second flush.
Out of the three pasteurized tubs, one went two flushes before developing a small trich spot which i performed some surgery on and was able to salvage a decent third flush. One got 2 nice flushes, then dunked it and got two more. The third tub got 5 nice flushes (dunked it after 2nd).
Pasteurizing is definitely the way to go, and doesn't really require that much more effort compared to the bucket tek
I would still say this would be correct if it's implied that the bucket tek is being followed as it is currently listed in damion's tek, using a solid brick , considering how the bucket tek can be less than optimal (especially for noobs) when using a solid brick. If the brick is broken up prior to adding the boiling water, i realise that the bucket tek can then become just as effective as pasteurizing or sterilizing in jars
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819547 - 11/10/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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even if you just pour cold water on your brick your grows wont fail or contam. if you're dead set on heating your coir to the max why do you keep advicing pasteurization and not sterilization? makes no sense.
I really hope for your sake you're just trolling because you're bored. If you still dont get what everyone's been telling you the last week I feel sorry for ya.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819567 - 11/10/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819619 - 11/10/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: even if you just pour cold water on your brick your grows wont fail or contam. if you're dead set on heating your coir to the max why do you keep advicing pasteurization and not sterilization? makes no sense.
I really hope for your sake you're just trolling because you're bored. If you still dont get what everyone's been telling you the last week I feel sorry for ya.
what in the actual fuck?! I've repeatedly said both pasteurization and sterilization are the ways to go (or using the bucket tek with a brick that has been broken up beforehand)
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819635 - 11/10/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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and we've all repeatedly told you it doesnt matter. bucket tek never the reason for failed grows. I give up, you do what you want but stop misinforming newbs that ask questions. its a dick move and can get you banned down the road.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23819662 - 11/10/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't properly pasteurized coir in years. Why does the bucket work for me?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23819891 - 11/10/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just for the record
it seems crackbaby is arguing that uneven heating or no heat will cause lower performance meaning speed output etc, not that it will make it contam.
As pirate swazey said regardless if you mix it or not it will be heated enough for the performance you're looking for. I don't think you'll be able to notice much difference in performance if you sterilized after that.
Also I used to use these gloves to mix while hot. https://www.amazon.com/772-Nitrile-Length-Chemical-Resistant/dp/B004US9VKS
or similar can't find the exact ones
still I think a small shovel should work fine or like pasty and you agreed that breaking it up prior and no mixing is best.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23819900 - 11/10/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I haven't properly pasteurized coir in years. Why does the bucket work for me?

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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: tripdawg420]
#23819965 - 11/10/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey guys,
just to get rid of my confusion always comming up when reading the discussion here and in other threads:
When you discuss the sense of treating the coir, you always mean CVG substrate, right? Or at least CV subtrate, right? And not only the coir brick?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820011 - 11/10/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AFAIK verm has no lignin that gets broken down by heat. I use verm to fluff up the coir sub, and always mix coir+verm in the bucket. so we're talking about the differences in the treatment of coir, the verm just hangs around for the ride.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23820140 - 11/10/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fine, that was what I was understanding from the discussions, just thought to better ask
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820553 - 11/10/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, it's the full CVG that we are talking about. Can't believe this opt out is still struggling over basic shit..
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Inocuole]
#23820603 - 11/10/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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what does opt out mean? (sorry )
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Edited by AlCapone2k (11/10/16 06:19 PM)
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820606 - 11/10/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Yes, it's the full CVG that we are talking about. Can't believe this opt out is still struggling over basic shit..
that question already got answered, moron.
see-- Quote:
AlCapone2k said: Fine, that was what I was understanding from the discussions, just thought to better ask 
It's pretty obvious you're bumping this thread to stir up some more shit
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820621 - 11/10/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: what does opt out mean? (sorry )
it means you opt out of the general ratings, thus denying such imbeciles as inocule and spacechild from deriving any sort of juvenile satisfaction by inflicting their petty vengeance (on your ratings that they think you give a shit about) because you disagree with them
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23820636 - 11/10/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The ratings are to show which people give shitty irrelevant advice and they work really well in that regard. So when people opt out of them they've basically conceded that they are failures at teaching and social interaction.
The only reason you would opt out is if so many people hated you that you had to. So I can be an imbecile all day. At least it's not well understood that I run my mouth about shit I don't understand to the point that I had to stop accepting opinions about how shitty I am. That's got to suck.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby] 3
#23820672 - 11/10/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys, have I made something wrong?
Actually I didn't even know that this "General Rating" exist. So "to opt them out" means to turn them off like crybaby did?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820674 - 11/10/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: what does opt out mean? (sorry )
when you see 2 or more people without TC tags disagreeing, you can look at the amount of mushrooms under their username. some have 5/5 blue mushrooms, some have 4/5, and some just say "unrated".
the worst of them all has none of this under their name, their average given ratings were so bad they got embarrased, so they opted out of the ratings system.
opt outs are usually trolls or people just looking to give bad advice in order for others to fail at culting as hard as they do themselves.
under your name f.ex. there's 5 blue mushrooms. in mush cult, that means you're a decent member. pubbers and Off topic discussion members usually have less than 5/5, because they all neg rate eachother in order to start a ruckus.
you should also click those 5/5 mushroom-ratings to see who gave them, and how many they have in total. its not a fool proof method of judging who to trust and who not to trust, but its a good start.
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AlCapone2k said: Actually I didn't even know that this "General Rating" exist. So "to opt them out" means to turn them off like crybaby did?
yes, spot on!
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820678 - 11/10/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: Guys, have I made something wrong?
Actually I didn't even know that this "General Rating" exist. So "to opt them out" means to turn them off like crybaby did?
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820685 - 11/10/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ahhhh, now I understand the system
I didn't know that it exists and it is really helpful I think. So in futre I can see the ratings and take them at least as an indication about the quality of the answer.
You helped me a lot guys!
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23820737 - 11/10/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya like the shroom ratings are a really accurate indicator of a member's integrity or quality of character. It's essentially a high school popularity contest at best (how else would a mean-spirited cunt like innocule get such a high rating?). What's worse, is that it provides an opportunity for petty minded weasels to go behind your back to exact their little revenge--resulting in many members (who actually care about their ratings for whatever reason) to censor themselves for fear of getting their ratings fucked with.
As you might notice, i speak my mind freely without fear of such 'repercussions', so y'all can lick my balls
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby] 1
#23820760 - 11/10/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like you should be rocking your shroom rating with pride in that case. Nothing screams "lick my balls" quite like 1 shroom
Note to self: avoid future coir threads
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23820801 - 11/10/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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In the pub or other non cult related areas of the site ratings probably are popularity contests to a degree. But here in mush cult it's mostly the quality of information given that determines the rating given. That's how a "mean spirited cunt" can have a positive rating. It's more about the quality of information than whether it was delivered with whipped cream and sprinkles.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23820811 - 11/10/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: It's essentially a high school popularity contest at best (how else would a mean-spirited cunt like innocule get such a high rating?).
because he gives good advice and that's what people consider when they give ratings. it doesnt matter how many smileys you put after your posts if your advice/post is crap.
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crackbaby said: (who actually care about their ratings for whatever reason) to censor themselves for fear of getting their ratings fucked with.
As you might notice, i speak my mind freely without fear of such 'repercussions', so y'all can lick my balls 
newbs care about ratings, us regulars knows who to listen to and not based off prior experience.
the only thing I've noticed is you give consistently bad advice, misleading advice, based off things you think you've read someone else say.
the "repercussions" is on the newbs asking questions, you mislead them into doing bad choices with their grows and its really a dick move.
this is, as you say yourself, a forum for mush cult. not a popularity contest. so you should take your butthurt feelings elsewhere.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: ComebackKid]
#23820829 - 11/10/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ComebackKid said: Note to self: avoid future coir threads

if you think coir threads are bad you should try a "lights thread". they're filled with stoopid "I grew without proper lights and I still got mushrooms, lights doesnt matter" kinda logic. always ends in at least 2 bans and 1 newly made puppet account who comes back and flames everyone who disagreed with him
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23820857 - 11/10/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: ya like the shroom ratings are a really accurate indicator of a member's integrity or quality of character. It's essentially a high school popularity contest at best (how else would a mean-spirited cunt like innocule get such a high rating?). What's worse, is that it provides an opportunity for petty minded weasels to go behind your back to exact their little revenge--resulting in many members (who actually care about their ratings for whatever reason) to censor themselves for fear of getting their ratings fucked with.
As you might notice, i speak my mind freely without fear of such 'repercussions', so y'all can lick my balls 
Well you spoke your mind..broke the rules n I bet you complain about the repercussions. .js
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: cronicr]
#23820967 - 11/10/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So OP, anything you'd like clarification on? This thread is a hologram of how things work in the grand scheme of things here. Many learns can be had.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: Inocuole]
#23821095 - 11/10/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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for the sake of this forum, and to help prevent this thread from becoming any more of a shit show, ima leave it be
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