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bodhisatta 
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819227 - 11/10/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like how he quotes me explaining the same thing that we've been explaining
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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23819317 - 11/10/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AlCapone2k said: Buddy, your quote of bhodi was an answer to one of my questions, when you read the whole thread, you'll notice, that he states several times, that pasteurizing or sterilizing is not necessary for coir, but as I am a noob he recommended to start with pasteurizing just to learn the process.
The question was more "is it ok to sterilize coir?" and not "is sterilized coir better?" 
the question at this point is whether properly cooked coir is more effective/efficient than it is when its under cooked or unevenly cooked.
And spacechilido should carefully read bhodi's post and admit that he is wrong
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819331 - 11/10/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's really all apples & oranges... Unsupplemented coir, heat and water plus clean spawn equals lots of shrooms. It performs the same if you bucket it, sterilize it or pasterize it. Of course learning pasteurization is a keystone technique that all mushroom growers should know if they plan on moving past cubensis. I just like the bucket because I don't see a need to complicate it past boil water and mix. Just the opinion of a nobody who's done it a lot.
Don't know why you guys like to argue so much... It's a lot easier to deal with making friends than enemies 
Be love!
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23819344 - 11/10/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm friends with everyone here. I want to see everyone grow more mushrooms.
when you're on the internet it's all about how YOU, the individual, take things.
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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819345 - 11/10/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
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crackbaby said:
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bodhisatta said:
if you cook the fuck out of the coir the mycelium has an easier time colonizing it.at least in my opinion performance is far better if you cook the coir and it turns to a much darker brown nearly black.
proper pasteurization is fine to cook the coir. and a great way to learn proper pasteurization. I'll admit I started off doing frank's pasteurization with coir in jars on the stove.
once you learn how to do it that way it's now a skill you own. I would move on to sterilizing your coir after learning how to pasteurize.
it's easier to just boil the fuck out of it.
dude, wtf?
just do the math
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819353 - 11/10/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you high? those two posts agree with each other
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spacechildo
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819361 - 11/10/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really dislike arguing on this site, but I feel the need to shoot down awful advice like this, it only becomes a problem when the provider of awful advice starts twisting words and refusing to learn the basics 101.
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crackbaby said: i recently did a somewhat controlled experiment with 3 tubs done with the bucket tek, vs 3 tubs done with pasterurized CVG. All using rye grain as spawn (all jars given the visual as well as smell test prior to spawning, and all prepared with the same CVG mix (same coir brand for all tubs).
Out of the three bucket tek tubs, one developed trich before the first flush, one got it after the 1st flush, and one got it shortly after the second flush.
Out of the three pasteurized tubs, one went two flushes before developing a small trich spot which i performed some surgery on and was able to salvage a decent third flush. One got 2 nice flushes, then dunked it and got two more. The third tub got 5 nice flushes (dunked it after 2nd).
Pasteurizing is definitely the way to go, and doesn't really require that much more effort compared to the bucket tek
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819376 - 11/10/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I'm friends with everyone here. I want to see everyone grow more mushrooms.
when you're on the internet it's all about how YOU, the individual, take things.
Home team!
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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: PirateSwazey]
#23819391 - 11/10/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: It's really all apples & oranges... Unsupplemented coir, heat and water plus clean spawn equals lots of shrooms. It performs the same if you bucket it, sterilize it or pasterize it. Of course learning pasteurization is a keystone technique that all mushroom growers should know if they plan on moving past cubensis. I just like the bucket because I don't see a need to complicate it past boil water and mix. Just the opinion of a nobody who's done it a lot.
Don't know why you guys like to argue so much... It's a lot easier to deal with making friends than enemies 
Be love! 
i always try to be kind and shroomy to my fellow members, until someone becomes offensive towards me. Bohdi's attitude (along with spacechild) seems to be relentlessly pompous, antagonistic and degrading (notice how quick he is to start with the personal insults, referring to my mom). It's become more apparent the more i frequent this forum
Edited by crackbaby (11/10/16 11:38 AM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819406 - 11/10/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure I come off pompous to a few people. Isn't going to change anything though. I've been more successful helping a greater proportion of civil and level headed people this way.
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spacechildo
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819410 - 11/10/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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this should be the welcome to the shroomery message you see everytime you log in:
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Pastywhyte said: A helpful asshole is far better than a useless saint. The butthurt epidemic is getting worse me thinks.
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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: bodhisatta]
#23819417 - 11/10/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: are you high? those two posts agree with each other
once again you didn't notice the key statement within the post-- spacechild says properly cooked coir 'doesn't matter', while you say that 'performance is far better when you cook the shit out of it'
definitely a contradiction here
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819428 - 11/10/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819444 - 11/10/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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one last time for crackbaby:
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crackbaby said: spacechild says properly cooked coir 'doesn't matter', while you say that 'performance is far better when you cook the shit out of it'
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spacechildo said:
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crackbaby said: (it seems to be the consensus that properly cooked coir is significant)
no, we've been trying to explain to you for the last week that this does not matter. your grows never fail because of "not properly cooked coir" or "unevenly heated coir" or "poorly mixed coir" or anything like that.
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crackbaby said: Pasteurizing is definitely the way to go, and doesn't really require that much more effort compared to the bucket tek
you keep blaming the bucket tek for failed grows, even using your own limited exp as "proof". I say bucket tek, pasteurization or sterilization of coir doesnt matter WHEN IT COMES TO FAILURES. they all work.
bottom line: so when a newb says his grows keep failing, and you advice pasteurization over bucket tek, you're simply wrong.
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spacechildo
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819472 - 11/10/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just realized crackbaby has half his posts in the romper room. and a quarter in the pub. why even bother....
he's probably banned from both a needs a new arena to troll on... no one's this slow. its been the same shit for a week now.
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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819503 - 11/10/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I really dislike arguing on this site, but I feel the need to shoot down awful advice like this, it only becomes a problem when the provider of awful advice starts twisting words and refusing to learn the basics 101.
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crackbaby said: i recently did a somewhat controlled experiment with 3 tubs done with the bucket tek, vs 3 tubs done with pasterurized CVG. All using rye grain as spawn (all jars given the visual as well as smell test prior to spawning, and all prepared with the same CVG mix (same coir brand for all tubs).
Out of the three bucket tek tubs, one developed trich before the first flush, one got it after the 1st flush, and one got it shortly after the second flush.
Out of the three pasteurized tubs, one went two flushes before developing a small trich spot which i performed some surgery on and was able to salvage a decent third flush. One got 2 nice flushes, then dunked it and got two more. The third tub got 5 nice flushes (dunked it after 2nd).
Pasteurizing is definitely the way to go, and doesn't really require that much more effort compared to the bucket tek
I would still say this would be correct if it's implied that the bucket tek is being followed as it is currently listed in damion's tek, using a solid brick , considering how the bucket tek can be less than optimal (especially for noobs) when using a solid brick. If the brick is broken up prior to adding the boiling water, i realise that the bucket tek can then become just as effective as pasteurizing or sterilizing in jars
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spacechildo
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819547 - 11/10/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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even if you just pour cold water on your brick your grows wont fail or contam. if you're dead set on heating your coir to the max why do you keep advicing pasteurization and not sterilization? makes no sense.
I really hope for your sake you're just trolling because you're bored. If you still dont get what everyone's been telling you the last week I feel sorry for ya.
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819567 - 11/10/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: spacechildo]
#23819619 - 11/10/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: even if you just pour cold water on your brick your grows wont fail or contam. if you're dead set on heating your coir to the max why do you keep advicing pasteurization and not sterilization? makes no sense.
I really hope for your sake you're just trolling because you're bored. If you still dont get what everyone's been telling you the last week I feel sorry for ya.
what in the actual fuck?! I've repeatedly said both pasteurization and sterilization are the ways to go (or using the bucket tek with a brick that has been broken up beforehand)
peace/out
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spacechildo
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Re: Frank's Simple Coir/Verm Tek Issue [Re: crackbaby]
#23819635 - 11/10/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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and we've all repeatedly told you it doesnt matter. bucket tek never the reason for failed grows. I give up, you do what you want but stop misinforming newbs that ask questions. its a dick move and can get you banned down the road.
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