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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23774896 - 10/26/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think long distance running is good for weight loss, after about 40min your body starts producing a lot more cortisol. Overall I think shorter HIIT runs are better for either weight loss or building muscle

Right now I'm just focused on building a foundation in calisthenics, not going to add weights until I've peaked out what I can do without weights. Still in hypertrophy range for chin-ups, can only pop out maybe 6 sets of 12 between 2 sessions on a really good day. Definitely still in hypertrophy range with pull-ups, haven't done more than 24 between sets of chin-ups. Range of motion is too narrow, reps are too fast, got a lot of work to do before adding weight. Legs and core are good though.

Everyone's goals are different, I'm also one of those people who prefer not to use weights in general, would rather throw 50'lbs on my back and do a solid set of pull-ups if anything.




I didn't know all that, I thought after 40 minutes you ran through your blood sugar and started burning fat? I didn't know that about cortisol raising because of it. Or I guess those two things are one in the same technically? I gotta read up more, I don't know a lot about it. I usually just kind of go with the flow when it comes to working out.

Do it up on the 50lbs and pull ups though. I did that with a 40 lb bag for three weeks,  6 sets of 15 pull ups per day and got a lot stronger in those three weeks. I noticed a huge difference in basic strength, and when I did regular pull-ups after the three weeks I was able to get over 30 in a row (I had started at 9 at the beginning). I also did incline push-ups with the bag on as well at the same time as the pull-ups.

That was several months ago, I'm probably back to square one. I can get around 75 pushups without stopping, but pretty much plateau there. It's about where I peak on just calisthenics. I could hit 90 after those three weeks of pull ups though. But I feel like that peaking only takes a couple months if you go at it every day, then you are just sustaining the strength you've built. Unless you get into some more versatile exercises I guess. I pretty much stick to basic ones.

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Welcome into crossing into your 30's. If it wasn't for the fact I'm 20x wiser now than I was at my physical peak, I don't think I could see any point in this life whatsoever.

Getting older sucks (physically).



I feel like I hit my peak last year. Unfortunately, I didn't start working out at all until around a year earlier. Still lot's of make-up to do I guess just to get in a completely healthy state before I get too old that I can't reverse course.

A couple years ago I could barely go walking a few miles without needing to take a few stops to breath. I was never over weight (in fact I weighed less than I do now), but I couldn't run a mile without stopping to save my life either. From the age of 17-24 I probably ran a total of 3 times, and struggled doing so.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23774932 - 10/26/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, I started training heavily @ 18, and played rugby and was a long distance runner before that. So my physical peak was about 10 years ago at 22.

It doesn't help that as a male, your testosterone production drops year on year from 25 onwards. Along with having spent the first half of my working life doing physically active jobs, compared to the last 9 I've spent at a desk 8 hours a day, it does not help the body stay in tip top condition. I could eat whatever I wanted and never gain weight back then. Now days, I have to fight just to keep my bodyfat levels stable.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23774953 - 10/26/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't know all that, I thought after 40 minutes you ran through your blood sugar and started burning fat? I didn't know that about cortisol raising because of it. Or I guess those two things are one in the same technically? I gotta read up more, I don't know a lot about it. I usually just kind of go with the flow when it comes to working out.

Do it up on the 50lbs and pull ups though. I did that with a 40 lb bag for three weeks,  6 sets of 15 pull ups per day and got a lot stronger in those three weeks. I noticed a huge difference in basic strength, and when I did regular pull-ups after the three weeks I was able to get over 30 in a row (I had started at 9 at the beginning). I also did incline push-ups with the bag on as well at the same time as the pull-ups.

That was several months ago, I'm probably back to square one. I can get around 75 pushups without stopping, but pretty much plateau there. It's about where I peak on just calisthenics. I could hit 90 after those three weeks of pull ups though. But I feel like that peaking only takes a couple months if you go at it every day, then you are just sustaining the strength you've built. Unless you get into some more versatile exercises I guess. I pretty much stick to basic ones.




HIIT runs vs long distance running is definitely worth a read, I'm too ignorant on the subject to really go into more detail though.

That sounds like a pretty solid foundation man, I'm not at a point where weights can be added though. Before adding weight to an exercise I need to perfect the range of motion and time...
Basically have to make sure every rep is perfect, all the way to the top and back down so the elbows are almost straight. With the negative motion (lowering) taking 6-8 seconds per rep, fast but clean positive motion (upward) and finishing each set with at least a 15sec static hold. I workout in 2-3 short sessions per day, goal would be 6 sets of 12 chin-ups / pull-ups at that standard between two sessions.

When I can do that it'll be time to add weight, that'll be a few weeks down the line if things go well.

I'm the same way, generally prefer to do variations of maybe 2 dozen workouts, and hone in on the details.
Its a particular way of doing things, but its definitely preferable to me than the routines I've gone through with trainers and workout buddies. Very detail orientated.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23775298 - 10/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I didn't know all that, I thought after 40 minutes you ran through your blood sugar and started burning fat? I didn't know that about cortisol raising because of it. Or I guess those two things are one in the same technically? I gotta read up more, I don't know a lot about it. I usually just kind of go with the flow when it comes to working out.





He's right. Excess running, such as marathons actually has more negatives than good, such as decreased testosterone production and increased inflammation. It usually also causes people to consume a ridiculous amount of calories and carbohydrates, which leads to excess insulin and that itself is a causer of diseases.
Anaerobic in short bursts.... HIIT..... body weight movements (plyometrics, calisthenics) are all much healthier in every aspect, including mind and body.

But, all that would make sense because the way our species survived. I like to think of our ancestors. They used their bodies to consistently move (walk) across great distances and then run/sprint while they were in danger or had to hunt for food. It really would not make sense for them to jog miles and miles all the time :shrug:


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: daz01]
    #23775650 - 10/27/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

All you have to do is look at sprinters vs cross country. The first usually looking pretty cut up/jacked while other is just skinny. Cortisol eats muscle. Been saying this for years. Do long distance every now and again just to stay in shape cardio wise but don't make it a basic part of your routine. Switch it up too. There are some fun exercises you can do besides just sprints. One of my favorite is setting up a couple of ladders or so in a row and doing abilities. Maximum output is pretty easy when you're stubborn and keep trying to beat your previous times.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Mescalean]
    #23775693 - 10/27/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just want to say for everyone feeling like aging sucks or wanting to lose weight- hit the weights!

Forget running. Weights is what you need to slow / reverse aging and weights is what you need to lose fat and get the body shape you want.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23775702 - 10/27/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've been hitting the weights for 14 years. I can still feel the aging process at work, even in the fact my hair is thinning and I put on fat easier, let alone I can feel that my natural testosterone levels have dropped.

Although I am willing to accept that a big part of it has maybe been accelerated by the fact I've spent the last 9 years doing a desk job, and coping with the stress that comes with it. That's gonna change in the next 6 months to a very physical, low stress job again (can't wait) so I'll report back when I've settled into that way of life. Unfortunately it means I'll have no gym to go to, but I figure I can get by with a bench, a squat rack, and some bars and weights. Maybe a cable machine if I can afford it when I relocate - I like cables.

I certainly don't plan on giving up weight training for as long as I am able in this life. I used to occasionally train with a guy in his 80's who was an old bodybuilder, and train daily with guys in their late 40's, so I know it can be done.

None the less, nothing is ever gonna stop the fact that aging sucks. One thing these guys in their late 40's told me, even though they were fit as fuck, was that your dick doesn't get as hard at that age like it does in your 20's. And the fitter of the two, cut to fuck, who was some MMA/BJJ badass, used to tell me no matter how much he worked on his cardio, he could never match the bedroom stamina of his youth.

So yeah, we should all do cardio & resistance training, but there is no such thing as 'reverse aging'. That's a marketing term to fool people who are scared of getting old and dying.

The best you can do is accept it, and age gracefully.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23775706 - 10/27/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome :sun:

Watch out for fungus!(athletes foot, or ring worm

YOulle be groping a bunch  of random men and contact sports are notorious for that infectious fungi (it's a bitch to get rid of)





But back on topic
Matrial arts are awesome


I have slight training outside of gyms and with friends,  I really dig Maui thai (I have super thick and pointy knees and elbows) and for grappling Wrestling and Jui jitsu



Its been a long while since I've trained with some friends,  I should get back into it !
That's it!

You convinced me,
I'ma break out my punching bag hang it up and get out the old gloves and channel my 21yo rage n power


I need more discipline
This young chap is a fan of disipline.. :naughty:


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23775708 - 10/27/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

True there is no stopping aging



But from what I've seen with older men who take care of there self exercise and work


You can be 65 and look 45 if you don't waste away at a desk job or a retirement of sitting in a dark room wishing you was 20 again (twilight zone reference)

Good diet and exercise is KEY
Good genes don't hurt I'm willing to think


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: SunnyD]
    #23775715 - 10/27/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Good diet and exercise is KEY
Good genes don't hurt I'm willing to think



Over and above all those things, I think it's your inner state that defines how gracefully you age. Like:

1. Peaceful and stress free head & heart space
2. Good diet and exercise
3. Good genetics are a bonus. It's a lottery that one though. I have a few friends several years older than me who look significantly younger. The immense stress of the last year of my life has visibly aged me.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23775722 - 10/27/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ya being happy n relaxed really helps imo



When I see stressed out unhappy lame people who are 40 n over they look like Obama or George bush in the terms of premature rapid aging

Wrinkle city


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: SunnyD]
    #23775737 - 10/27/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

LOL, dude that owns my company is worth like 800 mil and has 2 private jets and a private island. The furrows of worry in his brow must be 5mm deep.

I also notice he has none of those smile wrinkles at the corners of his eyes that we get. Whereas by comparison I have no lines on my forehead and deep smile creases at the corners of my eyes.

Complete opposite, and very telling IMO. I've probably accelerated my wrinkles by 10 years cause I've always smoked, but I really like where mine are. I smile and laugh a lot.

I'd rather have no jets and no island and no 800 mil and feel peaceful, free and happy. Fucking dude never seems to smile, like the vast majority of the higher ups in the financial sector.

None the less, I'm pretty sure that environment would eat me up if I stayed in it for the next 30 years. It's really fucking unhealthy, and 1.5 hours of exercise a day aint gonna counteract how bad it is for you, IMO.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23775761 - 10/27/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Obviously there is no way to literally reverse aging.  What I meant was that the form of exercise that helps the aging process the most is weight training because aging cause muscle loss and bone density loss which weight training directly counteracts.

Running by contrast will Worsen aspects of aging such as joint pain.


Taking testosterone replacement therapy and steroids can help aging enormously as well.

Watching UFC changed my expectations about aging.  The majority of top level heavy weight ufc  fighters are between 35-40 + years of age.

Dan Henderson recently retired at 46. Many fighters are in late 30s.

It made me realize I can expect to enjoy a very high level of physical activity and athleticism well into my 40s, if I am smart and careful and disciplined in my workouts.

Also those fighters are not allowed to use any testosterone or steroids and they have the most damaging lifestyle imaginable and they still stay in unbelievable shape into their 40s.

For me having no restrictions on supplementation and not needing to get punched in the head and being able to focus on my health rather than competition, and with the rapid development of new anti aging treatments, we can expect remarkably good health late in life if we are lucky and make it a priority.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23775766 - 10/27/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What do you do for work man? Do you have a very active job?


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23776070 - 10/27/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Though age and the biological changes do happen, I think "old" (I don't consider 30 or 40 really old) age can make people extremely pessimistic that it's literally their psychological state holding them back, not physiological or biological.

My uncles are some of the scariest, strongest people I know and they are 50+ and 60+. One from the military and boxing since he was 20. He still trains like a maniac, he makes even the trained seasoned young 20 year olds look like fools, both physically and technique. Other one has his own building/manual labour company. He works 14+ a hours a day, 6am till 8pm easily. Built like a bear and strong as a tank. The dude is fucking scary when he gets angry. During family gatherings, the whole family gets scared and everyone goes quiet when he gets angry.
The only other person I've been intimated by and the "what if it got physical/violent" has popped into my head is with the old muay thai instructor, he was 30+ also.
Another example is Bear Grylls. Once he realised his training and nutrition was wrong, he says he is now the healthiest and strongest he has ever been in his late 30s compared to his 20s.

Joke, don't doubt your capabilities because of your age! Sure, you feel you might need to train harder (perhaps even try something different) and eat cleaner but I don't think there is anything holding you back from what younger people can do (unless it's for a world record or champion :lol: ) :hug:  :highfive:


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23776105 - 10/27/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I work in a compassionate/human service profession, that's all I can say.

It is my dream job and the biggest reason is it accommodates my training schedule and I am able to work out for hours during my shift most days.

Aging is a beast but the proper diet , exercise, attitude and supplementation can allow you to be in better shape in your 60s than many people are in their 20s.

Both weight lifting and yoga are a must for healthy aging . Indispensable.

If you make yoga a daily practice you can eliminate the majority of the aches, pains, stiffness  and loss of mobility that most people think are inevitable parts of aging , while weight lifting will dramatically reduce the loss of muscle mass and bone density.

A 60 year old who does yoga and weights every day and has a grateful optimistic attitude and eats a super healthy diet and doesn't smoke or have any vices and takes a great supplement regime will be far healthier and more fit than a 22 year old smoker who drinks heavily and sits on the couch all day and has a miserably cynical attitude and drinks pop and eats garbage food.

Age is one factor.  Compensate by using all the other factors to your advantage.

Dan Henderson at 46 is going to kick the ass of 99.9% of people in their 20s any day of the week.

And he fought at 46 for the world championship title a few weeks ago and damn near won. Many people think he DID win.

Sorry but if he can win the UFC belt at 46 let's not be using age as an excuse until we are at least older than that.



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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: daz01]
    #23777279 - 10/27/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Joke, don't doubt your capabilities because of your age! Sure, you feel you might need to train harder (perhaps even try something different) and eat cleaner but I don't think there is anything holding you back from what younger people can do (unless it's for a world record or champion :lol: ) :hug:  :highfive:



Thanks man. I don't feel it's holding me back at all, for one I'm 100x wiser and more compassionate than I was 10 years ago. I only mentioned it because MS said something about 'reversing the aging process', and whilst I'm sure that if I dedicate enough time and effort I can surpass any goals I hit in my early 20's, I also feel it would be foolish not to take into account that it is a factor, and that there is simply no way to cheat father time.

I'd rather stare truth head on in the face, even if I don't necessarily like it. Fuck, I remember when my hair first started thinning out back years ago - my heart nearly jumped out of my chest when I did the mirror in mirror check. I'm grateful for such reminders personally, even if it does mean I have to work harder than I once did to maintain the same level of fitness. It's reality. I don't always like it, but it's what I've got, and that's that.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23777322 - 10/27/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Of course I just meant it can reverse certain aspects of the aging process such as muscle and bone density Loss to some extent, not that it will make you turn back into a teenager or that you can actually reverse the flow of time with exercise.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: daz01]
    #23779924 - 10/28/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Damn. Turns out at 29 I don't recover as fast as when I was 17. Who would have thought :lol:

Day 2 after my first Jujitsu class (two full days after) and I am more sore than I have been in at least ten years.

Spent all day yesterday, the day before and today just trying to loosen up and rehab with tennis ball self-massage, yoga, stretching etc.

Going to walk to the gym and have a steam. Yoga helped a lot. Also ate a lot of cannabis for anti-inflammatory effects but went faster than I hoped and overall those edibles were a dissapointment.

Anyways, got a few more hours before kickboxing class. Hopefully it goes as well as Jujitsu did, but I have far less striking background.


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Re: Officially joining an MMA Gym today [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23782251 - 10/29/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Do you take cold showers or ice baths? I've recently fallen in love with them. Such a psychological rush, slowly submerging yourself in extremely cold water and being consumed by pain, for it to fade into a euphoric bliss. I always leave pumped and my skin is all tingly and warm :feelsgoodman:
Very effective analgesic and recovery booster.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/benefits-cold-showers-7-reasons-why-taking-cool-showers-good-your-health-289524

http://www.menprovement.com/benefits-of-cold-showers/


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