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Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"?
    #23767205 - 10/24/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So I'll be trying HBWR soon, starting off with five seeds, then I'll push it up to ten if I'm keen for it.

But as I have never tried them before, I get confused as what to expect. Some say that mg's and HBWR's are just as psychedelic as any other hallucinogenic substance, but others say it's nothing more than superior nausea and sedation. So how what is everyone else's input on the matter?

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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23767248 - 10/24/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My experience has been mixed.

If you get the actual Hawaiian strain it is considered to my limited knowledge the most potent and 4-8 is an actual psychedelic dose (check on erowid and other forums for more deliberate dosing).

On MG seeds I had a full blown psychedelic experience .

The first few hours were me laying down with a trash can nearby waiting for the pain and nausea to go away or to vomit. There was some sedation during this phase.

After this concluded I got up and , Would you look at that! It was akin to LSD only a bit different, it was long acting (10 hrs at least) and I remember walking across town to a field to sit and contemplate and then go to some meditation center afterwards and the whole evening was enlivening!
I remember such a sublime stillness while sitting and such a deep silence it felt very refreshing for weeks after wards.


I went into my work place late at night when it was closed and prepped for the morning because I was
always somewhat anxious heading into work in the morning at 5am to open the cafe for fear of not
being quick enough and people backing out the door and me not being able to handle the influx of customers! 

But I felt relieved when I went in - WOW i said to myself, its so clear! I can fix that anxiety simply by coming in after hours and prepping then! (no brainer)  and so I did and it made life much better!

A great trip overall 9/10.  Moderate, yet easy, good vibe, felt earned due to having to endure the sickness portion, and then being released into that sublime state of consciousness we all know and love!


Other attempts were either 1) not enough HBrWS Seeds and under dosed in which only minor changes happening with no actual Trip.
2)MG seeds No trip, just sickness - cold sweats, shivering, nose running, extreme nausea, anxiety, felt poisoned .

Seek out those who are experienced and in the know maybe they'l point the way, im interested in a sure tried and true method because its incredible when they work!


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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23767312 - 10/24/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I get confused with the strains, because with my understanding of the botanicals of argyreia nervosa, there are two main variant species, on being a. nervosa var. nervosa and the other a. nervosa var. speciosa, so the "Ghana and Indian" strains are possibly speciosa and the "Hawaiian"  strain being the actual nervosa. Because I know that speciosa has little psychoactive value but is used in aryuvedic medicine and has been for a long time.

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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23767320 - 10/24/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And I'm also considering a threshold amount of bud to fight of the nausea and a vasodilator, possibly propranolol.

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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23767341 - 10/24/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I see, not terrible ideas.  I for one prefer not to mix when using a psychedelic.

Plus I dont think itll kill it, maybe itll help a tiny bit, but its inherent to seeds themselvs and all the weird alkaloids in them.  Yeah ur right about strains.  Iv taken 12 ghana seeds before and had absolutley no desired effetcs that were worth reporting atleast.  I later found out 20-50 is the dosage for those kind, HBWRS are the way to go or just untreated MG seeds of the heavenly blue variety.  I always just chewed them finely and then swallowed with water.  Nasty as all hell but it did the trick 1/3 times. :frown: :smile:  Good luck sir! and report back for science :wink:


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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23767381 - 10/24/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've had some great experiences on HBWR.. No real awe inspiring visuals for me, but there are visuals for sure..


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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23767750 - 10/24/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes everyone.

Take 7-8 HBWR seeds, smoke some pot 2.5 hours later and it will be psychedelic for anyone.  I always add other psychedelics these days.

I do prefer a more visual trip, but HBWR is a potent psychedelic.  Plenty visual by itself and mixing it up with other psychedelics is truly strong.

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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: Onlylivingboy]
    #23767952 - 10/24/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ive tripped twice on hbwr seeds. The first time was 6 seeds crushed and laid on the tongue for 15 minutes swallowing some saliva. I did this when I was 13 and It really was a life changer, loved the overwhelming effects I had. Id recommend going higher on your first time 6-10 seeds especially if you have already experienced pyschedelics. Second time was 11 seeds with garlic and fuck that, never again. Garlic was supposed to make it better but instead I puked my guts up. My body felt compacted in space and I almost forgot how to walk straight. Dont underestimate the power of these. Good luck!

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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: Herbgrower12]
    #23772218 - 10/26/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So I got the seeds today, and decided to chew and swallow 5 of them, scraped off the furry coating first, and they are untreated as well. Here we go! (Hopefully)

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Re: Does everyone consider HBWR "psychedelic"? [Re: Space Coast Slayer]
    #23772817 - 10/26/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had some great experiences on HBWR.. No real awe inspiring visuals for me, but there are visuals for sure..




In that case you haven't had good seeds dude.

Try Madagascan or Tahitian variety and try to get fresh seeds if you can. The Madagascan for example would have me getting lost inside visions and general insanity -as with strong doses of LSD- combined with astounding tactile, auditory, and visual hallucinations.

They have to be held down for many hours without vomiting (or easier you can re-drink your own vomit lol) extractions suck, and some seeds are waaaaay better than others. Some seeds had more versatility than LSD in their range and scope of effect. They were nuts!

Mescaline too, if you extract it or even do an alcohol extraction you are detracting a great deal from the experience but with HBWR you are detracting basically the whole experience and magic. I strongly believe HBWR is not simply an LSA experience and the seeds have not been researched properly. Might not just be the chemicals but how they all interact when taken together.

The myth that HBWR is not as visual as LSD is 100 percent wrong and based entirely upon weak seeds, the user vomiting way too early (seeds take hours to digest, or u could just drink your vomit lol) or piss poor extractions.

Aside from that HBWR is up there with the best of them and for me would be the best if it wasn't for the god awful sickness and side effects!

The greater the sickness the greater the experience and if you remove the sickness you also remove most of the experience. Take them a day after tripping and you will get no sickness and due to tolerance no experience either.

Good seeds will make you sicker than you have ever been in your life, and the only way past it is to throw up, and then throw it back down! No idea why but after that the body lets the seeds/experience through! Or you can suffer through 2-3-4 hours of agony until the seeds finally digest! 

Ghana- inactive
Hawaian- active but lacking in ghastly side effects as well as magic, visuals etc
Tahitian- mind blowing
Madagascan- mind blowing

I did alot more varieties over the years but I dont know where I got those seeds from. Not at all sure if the place the seeds come from has any bearing on anything but I suspect it does.

Hit me up if you want a good vendor as thats the most important thing!


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