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Hydrating with Compost Tea?
    #23767672 - 10/24/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Would hydrating with compost tea be a bad idea, particularly for sawdust? I feel like people would be doing this already if it worked...
1) Would the bacteria be a good thing or a bad thing? (you could do aerated or anaerobic compost teas, maybe one would have an advantage over the other).
2) If those types bacteria was bad, you can make quite concentrated compost tea and PC it, then dilute it when it comes to hydration. (or maybe pasteurizing hydrated sawdust at 60C would be enough? Or even sterilize if using bags)

Thanks for the advice.


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Re: Hydrating with Compost Tea? [Re: flyontoast]
    #23768317 - 10/24/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure it would be beneficial for sterilized substrates, actually the point of sterilizing sub is too kill any bacteria or mold in it.
For some outdoor beds this would be a fun experiment, I'm a gardener too and love making compost tea.


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Re: Hydrating with Compost Tea? [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23770230 - 10/25/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am guessing your intention is to use the liquid as a fertilizer.
It's probably not viable, else it would be on shelves.

Bacteria, toxins, far too much cleaning.
Liquid seaweed is terrible too.


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Re: Hydrating with Compost Tea? [Re: Ferather]
    #23770793 - 10/25/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ferather said:
I am guessing your intention is to use the liquid as a fertilizer.




The intent would be to add some nitrogen and other trace minerals (depending what you are making the compost tea out of, like say comfrey or worm casting, etc.) into sawdust, hence using the compost tea itself to do the hydrating. So you'd measure it out so that X amount of compost tea gets fully absorbed into the sawdust, X being the highest threshold/concentration of compost tea before it's either pointless or too high contam rate.
Just trying to think of ways to add nutrients and nitrogen to sawdust without necessarily bringing additional inputs onto the farm, "cosing the loop" so to speak.


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Re: Hydrating with Compost Tea? [Re: flyontoast]
    #23771354 - 10/25/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Your idea isn't really that far-fetched. Mycological research labs and even commerical operations employ these types of concepts often hoping to elict some sort of response from myceliums, or fruit bodies, or certain cells, or whatever, etc. Application of these elicitors can include directly spraying it onto a substrate or fruitbody.

It's just that their experiments and practices can be more refined using only specific enzymes or chemicals instead of a crude fermented compost tea... (not that a tea isn't a good idea or won't work)...

Here's a interesting research article dealing with elictors and Sparassis crispa cultivation.
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Re: Hydrating with Compost Tea? [Re: flyontoast]
    #23771526 - 10/25/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have made in my time probably a few thousand gallons of compost tea. It is the aerobic bacteria which is beneficial to plants and the soil. I would steer clear from any situation which you would end up with anaerobic bacteria which is no bueno.

I have never heard of people using compost tea to hydrate. Some of the bacteria in the tea are the exact same beneficial bacteria that is left over from pasteurization. These same bacteria are the cause for the center of compost piles heating up to pasteurization temperatures.

Im not sure how they would react in mushroom substrate. Give it a try and let us know what happens.


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Re: Hydrating with Compost Tea? [Re: katbusa]
    #23772260 - 10/26/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Even probiotic bacteria need nutrients, energy and water. I tested it in a substrate.
Time to colonize was 22 days, terrible, yield was roughly 28% less.


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Re: Hydrating with Compost Tea? [Re: flyontoast]
    #23773472 - 10/26/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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flyontoast said:
Would hydrating with compost tea be a bad idea, particularly for sawdust? I feel like people would be doing this already if it worked...



I think it not done much because other supplementing techniques are easier if you don't already have a setup for compost tea. It seems like it would be species depended on if you would need to PC the tea first. I think mushrooms like oysters would do better with a PC'd tea. Mushrooms that grow on compost may do well on aerated active tea.

The tea may even cold pasteurize the sawdust assuming it was all good bacteria, since it would kill off contaminates in the sawdust.


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