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What Harddrive should I get?
    #23767221 - 10/24/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380&ignorebbr=1&_ga=1.164911103.131428430.1468618710

Seagate Hybrid Drive ST2000DX001 2TB MLC/8GB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s NCQ 3.5" Desktop SSHD  Its like $119.00 which is super cheap.

OR this mechanical HardDrive which is like $160.00
WD Black 2TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD2003FZEX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236624&ignorebbr=1&_ga=1.159390461.131428430.1468618710


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767257 - 10/24/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The seagate should be faster right? Both 2TB which is what I'm looking for. I duno, anyone think I'm better off with the Western Digital? I just need it for gaming so obiously the SSD would be the way to go.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767263 - 10/24/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I usually go with Seagate over WD, but I have no experience with SSDs so that's a hard one. If it were me I'd probably go with the WD just because I don't really know much about SSDs or their vulnerabilities. I know they used to (maybe still are) pretty damn expensive and one for just over 100 dollars would make me kinda nervous about it's longevity.

BTW I Just went to look and see if SSDs are still pretty expensive and Amazon has it with free shipping for 90.. https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST2000DX001/dp/B00EIQTKAS/ref=sr_1_8?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1477345474&sr=1-8&keywords=solid+state+drive


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767267 - 10/24/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know a ton about hardrives but I am cheap and would opt for the first one probably.

If they both have a 64/mb transfer speed I imagine there won't be a huge difference but like I said I don't know for sure.

Personally I would probably opt for an even cheaper 1TP drive as that would be plenty of space for me and you may be able to find one for 50% he price of the cheaper 2TB one.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767277 - 10/24/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My specs

Asus z97-Pro
Geforce GTX 770
i-7 4790k
Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD
Western
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Black 1TB
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Hard Drive

There shouldn't be a problem running 2 SSD's and one HDD on my computer do you guys think?


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767289 - 10/24/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I definatly want 2 TB, even tho 1TB lasted me about one and a half years.
The extra 40$ for me isn't a huge deal, but it is nice. I always assumed for gaming anyways, that SSD was the way to go. I mean I read both reviews and even some on other products and it seems like weather Mechanical or Solid state, a lot of people experience having their components fail. It's just dicey because SSD's are always more expensive but in this case the SSD is cheaper which Is wierd.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23767309 - 10/24/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

BTW I Just went to look and see if SSDs are still pretty expensive and Amazon has it with free shipping for 90.. https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST2000DX001/dp/B00EIQTKAS/ref=sr_1_8?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1477345474&sr=1-8&keywords=solid+state+drive



Damn, even cheaper. I don't know man that sounds pretty good


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767314 - 10/24/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

As far as I know the only limit to the amount of internal drives you can have is the space in your case and how many places on your motherboard/psu there is to plug them up.

As for SSD being superior for gaming, again I don't know a lot about them, but to my knowledge the only real benefit is load times. If you're actually concerned with saving a few seconds here and there, it might do something for you, but overall it won't make a lot of difference. I can't remember the last game I played that had unusually long load times. In a game like Skyrim, when you're outside traveling around, it's not going to have a noticeable difference I don't think. But if you're in a town going into everyone's homes and robbing them, then you might start shaving off time from the load screens. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: In online gaming, you can only do so much to make the game faster on your end. No matter how fast your computer is, there is always going to be a loading delay while your computer downloads the information it needs to show the non-static features of the game (like other people's characters).


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #23767328 - 10/24/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

SSHD are garbage, its just a compromise.

Get a small SSD and a Large HDD


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23767361 - 10/24/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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SSHD are garbage, its just a compromise.

Get a small SSD and a Large HDD



Thats exactly what I have tho.

I've got a 250GB SSD for my OS
and already HDD, but I need another HD for more space.

I mainly want to know which one will be faster, because both are 2TB.

You say SSHD are trash but when looking at the specs, its clear that money wise and speed the SSHD is the better deal compared to the HDD.

unless I'm missing something?

SSHD  http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380&ignorebbr=1&_ga=1.164911103.131428430.1468618710


HDD   

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236624&ignorebbr=1&_ga=1.159390461.131428430.1468618710


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767425 - 10/24/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I definatly want 2 TB, even tho 1TB lasted me about one and a half years.
The extra 40$ for me isn't a huge deal, but it is nice. I always assumed for gaming anyways, that SSD was the way to go. I mean I read both reviews and even some on other products and it seems like weather Mechanical or Solid state, a lot of people experience having their components fail. It's just dicey because SSD's are always more expensive but in this case the SSD is cheaper which Is wierd.




SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff (which, if you already have a SSD, is of questionable advantage since your OS should be able to use that to do the same thing). IIRC the "Black" hard drive line is supposed to indicate better reliability than the cheapest hard drives.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23767464 - 10/24/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff (which, if you already have a SSD, is of questionable advantage since your OS should be able to use that to do the same thing). IIRC the "Black" hard drive line is supposed to indicate better reliability than the cheapest hard drives.





So do u think I'm better off with the WD Black?

It is the most expensive I only assume that is because it could either be A)Better more dependable
B)Brand name
C) both

I'm thinking of getting the black, It will be more expensive but I've had no problems with my other HDD of the same brand.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23767512 - 10/24/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have had a couple of WD Green drives fail (haven't bought a hard drive in a while but I usually went with whatever was the cheapest). Green was their cheapest line at the time. The Black ones apparently have a 5 year warranty. Nothing is going to be failure proof, but that seems like quite a long warranty for a computer component.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23767638 - 10/24/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yeah true, I think I'm just gonna go with the Black.

Thanks everyone for your replies.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement]
    #23770016 - 10/25/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Get the ssd! I installed one recently

My desktop is now twice as fast as when I first bought it

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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23770259 - 10/25/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

OP, make sure you get one that has NSA spyware on it


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #23771594 - 10/25/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"haha, what a whacky conspiracy, I cant believe anyone buys into that"

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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23771597 - 10/25/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Solid state with the largest memory you can
The rest is irrelevant


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23771995 - 10/26/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't know a ton about hardrives but I am cheap and would opt for the first one probably.

If they both have a 64/mb transfer speed I imagine there won't be a huge difference but like I said I don't know for sure.






solid state drives seek, read and write faster, you also dont have to worry about dropping them and crashing the heads


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23772004 - 10/26/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff





wrong



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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23772013 - 10/26/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Solid state with the largest memory you can
The rest is irrelevant



Yes. Just upgraded my laptop to 1TB SSD & 16GB RAM. Thing is like fucking lightening.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23772147 - 10/26/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Damn a 1 terra SSD?

How much that baby cost a thousand bucks perhaps? :eek:


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23772541 - 10/26/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

psi said:
SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff





wrong






That graphic doesn't cover SSHDs (aka hybrid drives) at all.

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In computing, a hybrid drive is a logical or physical storage device that combines a fast storage medium such as NAND flash solid-state drive (SSD) with a hard disk drive (HDD), with the intent of adding some of the speed of flash storage to the cost-effective storage capacity of traditional HDDs. The purpose of the SSD in a hybrid drive is to act as a cache for the data stored on the HDD, improving the overall performance by keeping copies of the most frequently used data on the faster SSD.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23772590 - 10/26/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

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Quote:

psi said:
SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff





wrong






That graphic doesn't cover SSHDs (aka hybrid drives) at all.

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In computing, a hybrid drive is a logical or physical storage device that combines a fast storage medium such as NAND flash solid-state drive (SSD) with a hard disk drive (HDD), with the intent of adding some of the speed of flash storage to the cost-effective storage capacity of traditional HDDs. The purpose of the SSD in a hybrid drive is to act as a cache for the data stored on the HDD, improving the overall performance by keeping copies of the most frequently used data on the faster SSD.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive






you're confusing hybrids with sold state, solid state isnt a hybrid, a hybrid is a mechanical with a huge cache


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23772594 - 10/26/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No, I am not confusing hybrids with solid state. Try reading my original comment again.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23772625 - 10/26/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No, I am not confusing hybrids with solid state. Try reading my original comment again.





this one?

Quote:

psi said:
SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff




Quote:

Solid-state drives
On many levels, solid-state drives are similar to hard drives. They usually connect to a system by way of the SATA interface (though PCI Express-based drives are also available for ultrahigh-performance applications), and they store files just as any other drive does. SSDs, however, eschew the magnetic platters and read/write heads of hard-disk drives in favor of nonvolatile NAND flash memory, so no mechanical parts or magnetic bits are involved.



http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025402/ssds-vs-hard-drives-vs-hybrids-which-storage-tech-is-right-for-you-.html


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23772645 - 10/26/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, again that does not contradict what I said. I didn't claim that SSDs incorporate a mechanical drive. I claimed that SSHDs (aka hybrid drives) incorporate a mechanical hard drive and a SSD for use as a cache. Which they do.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23772653 - 10/26/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, again that does not contradict what I said. I didn't claim that SSDs incorporate a mechanical drive. I claimed that SSHDs (aka hybrid drives) incorporate a mechanical hard drive and a SSD for use as a cache. Which they do.





once more, sold state and hybrid are 2 entirely different critters

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SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff




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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23772681 - 10/26/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You acknowledged yourself that a hybrid drive is a mechanical drive with a large cache. The only difference in what I said is that I claimed that a SSD is what is used for this cache. Do you believe this isn't the case? Or is it that you believe "SSHD" doesn't mean the same thing as "hybrid drive"?


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23772791 - 10/26/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You acknowledged yourself that a hybrid drive is a mechanical drive with a large cache. The only difference in what I said is that I claimed that a SSD is what is used for this cache. Do you believe this isn't the case? Or is it that you believe "SSHD" doesn't mean the same thing as "hybrid drive"?





yes, I did say that a hybrid is a mechanical with a really large cache, you stated
that solid state drives were "basically mechanical drives with a small SSD to cache
frequently used stuff" which is false since solid state drives are not mechanical,
they have no motors, no platters, no heads, no servos, none of the things that would
make them a hybrid or a mechanical drive. they are nothing but electronics


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23772820 - 10/26/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Do yourself a BIG favor and choose a SSD over a HDD when the time comes. SSD's, though more expensive, are the future. They are faster, noiseless and DO NOT BREAK DOWN.

I went epic on my new computer: 2x 512 GB SSD drives, watercooled factory overclocked hexcore i7, Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 graphics card, its a monster! Its so awesome, words cannot express. My computer farts and its started up, or has a program installed.

There's nothing a cheapass cuntputer can't do that an awesome heavy gaming rig can't do better.

Overkill? Fuck yeah. I got many problems but anemic computer performance isnt one of them.



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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23772826 - 10/26/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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you stated
that solid state drives were "basically mechanical drives with a small SSD to cache
frequently used stuff" which is false since solid state drives are not mechanical,
they have no motors, no platters, no heads, no servos, none of the things that would
make them a hybrid or a mechanical drive. they are nothing but electronics




Nope, I didn't say that about solid state drives. I said it about SSHDs (i.e. hybrid drives). Such as this one the OP was considering buying:

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http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380&ignorebbr=1&_ga=1.164911103.131428430.1468618710

Seagate Hybrid Drive ST2000DX001 2TB MLC/8GB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s NCQ 3.5" Desktop SSHD  Its like $119.00 which is super cheap.




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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23773036 - 10/26/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't read the whole thread, but have read some of this page.

If you're trying to store information, an old-style SATA hard disk is what you want. Not only are they cheaper, but they last longer as well. SSD's are great for running an OS off of. That's all they are good for though. If you have a desktop, I'd suggest getting an SSD for your Operating System, and a large multi-terabyte drive for your file storage. Files like movies, music, software installation files, any photoshop or music creation resources.

Because the SSD slowly wears out, and the drive becomes smaller with continuous use. It's better to reserve all it's space purely to operation of an OS and certain program installations.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23773710 - 10/26/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

thats the downside of SSD, the cycling slowly wears it out and making certain parts non usable over time.

Ive read about programs that automatically defrag the SSD to evenly wear the entire drive.

Not sure on the lifespan of a SSD, but im sure it will last untill the next memory storage breakthru in a couple years. Technology advancemnets move fast!


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23774761 - 10/26/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Damn a 1 terra SSD?

How much that baby cost a thousand bucks perhaps? :eek:



Not at all, less than half that.

I still use optical drives alongside it of course (about 5TB worth), but any data that is important to me is stored in the cloud and replicated over several machines.

There's no way I'll risk losing data in this day and age.


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    #23774777 - 10/26/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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you stated
that solid state drives were "basically mechanical drives with a small SSD to cache
frequently used stuff" which is false since solid state drives are not mechanical,
they have no motors, no platters, no heads, no servos, none of the things that would
make them a hybrid or a mechanical drive. they are nothing but electronics




Nope, I didn't say that about solid state drives. I said it about SSHDs (i.e. hybrid drives). Such as this one the OP was considering buying:

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http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380&ignorebbr=1&_ga=1.164911103.131428430.1468618710

Seagate Hybrid Drive ST2000DX001 2TB MLC/8GB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s NCQ 3.5" Desktop SSHD  Its like $119.00 which is super cheap.








oh, so you're working off a marketing claim as a foundation of all this


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23774785 - 10/26/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Those SSHD's are pointless IMO. Boot from SSD, store bulk data across multiple HDD's, and put anything that's invaluable in the cloud.

I suppose they might help in a high end gaming rig, but they offer fuck all benefit for day to day shit if you're booting from SSD.


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    #23774992 - 10/26/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
you stated
that solid state drives were "basically mechanical drives with a small SSD to cache
frequently used stuff" which is false since solid state drives are not mechanical,
they have no motors, no platters, no heads, no servos, none of the things that would
make them a hybrid or a mechanical drive. they are nothing but electronics




Nope, I didn't say that about solid state drives. I said it about SSHDs (i.e. hybrid drives). Such as this one the OP was considering buying:

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The5thElement said:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178380&ignorebbr=1&_ga=1.164911103.131428430.1468618710

Seagate Hybrid Drive ST2000DX001 2TB MLC/8GB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s NCQ 3.5" Desktop SSHD  Its like $119.00 which is super cheap.








oh, so you're working off a marketing claim as a foundation of all this




I can only guess that you are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. You apparently think that "SSHD" means "solid state drive". I've never heard of anyone else using it in this way, but I clarified to you very early on in this exchange that, when I wrote "SSHD", I was talking about hybrid drives. Several times.

My original statement really makes no sense if you interpret "SSHD" as "solid state drive" anyway.
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SSHD is basically a mechanical drive with a small SSD to cache frequently used stuff



If a SSHD is a solid state drive, and a SSD is a solid state drive, why am I contrasting them with two different terms? And how can a solid state drive be a subcomponent of itself?


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    #23775000 - 10/26/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This is probably one of the more ridiculous (and surprisingly, entertaining) arguments I've seen in awhile :lol:


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23775013 - 10/26/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

With Pris I often have a hard time telling whether he's trolling or just has very shitty reading comprehension. Maybe a bit of both.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23775081 - 10/26/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If a SSHD is a solid state drive, and a SSD is a solid state drive, why am I contrasting them with two different terms? And how can a solid state drive be a subcomponent of itself?





again, you're basing shit off a marketing term, now that it's clarified this part of the discussion can end


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23775122 - 10/26/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If a SSHD is a solid state drive, and a SSD is a solid state drive, why am I contrasting them with two different terms? And how can a solid state drive be a subcomponent of itself?



Google is your friend:

SSD vs SSHD


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23775129 - 10/26/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I haven't read the whole thread, but have read some of this page.

If you're trying to store information, an old-style SATA hard disk is what you want. Not only are they cheaper, but they last longer as well. SSD's are great for running an OS off of. That's all they are good for though. If you have a desktop, I'd suggest getting an SSD for your Operating System, and a large multi-terabyte drive for your file storage. Files like movies, music, software installation files, any photoshop or music creation resources.

Because the SSD slowly wears out, and the drive becomes smaller with continuous use. It's better to reserve all it's space purely to operation of an OS and certain program installations.




Source? Because according to my knowledge, this is completely false, like 100%.. you have it reversed my friend.
SSDs lifespan far far far far surpasses any mechanical HDD, and should due to no moving parts.

Anecdotally, I have a first gen Intel SSD that I've had for 7+ years now.. it's been written and unwritten a billion times, has had numerous OSes, and countless gigs of music, videos and shit on it and reformatted probably 100+ times.  It still performs flawlessly. The Intel Toolbox thingy says it has 99% life left. I could probably pass it down to my kids kids.
In that same timeframe since I've had my first SSD, I've gone through like 3 or 4 mechanical drives. SSDs have an abysmally low failure rate.
I heard all the scare stories in the early days on SSDs about after X number of writes the SSD will just go POOF! I've yet to see that happen. All my first gen SSDs are still going strong.
This was written 2 years ago, they are better now. Most good modern SSDs will be good well over 2-3 petabytes of writes.. which would take the average person only a few hundred years to achieve..
If you buy Intel or Samsung, you don't have anything to worry about. It will most likely outlive you.

In fact all my SSDs still work, I have like 7, have never had a problem with one. I couldn't tell you what a failed one looks like.
I've heard of them in the past and seen a few working in tech support.. but mainly due to manufacturing problems revolving around a specific company.. if an SSD is made correctly it should last a fucking long time.
Unless you have a shitty SSD *cough OCZ* or it is defective (rare).. there should be NO reason why a SSD should wear out before a mechanical HDD... like ever.

Really, the only argument for having a HDD over a SSD before, was because they were FAR cheaper than a SSD. The price per GB was pennies on the dollar. Key word - WAS.
I paid like $260 for a first gen 80GB SSD
Right now that will buy you a 1TB SSD.

HDDs will soon be obsolete because SSDs have continuously come down in cost to the point where it's almost better to buy nothing but SSDs.

A couple years ago, I was telling people to get 120GB SSDs and use that for their OS then get like a 1-2TB mechanical for mass data storage.. but only because of cost reasons.
Now... shit.. I can't think of many reasons to even get a mechanical HDD at all... when SSDs are so cheap.
SSDs are superior to mechanical drives in every single conceivable way.. the only downside previously was the cost..

Right now you can get a freaking 500GB Samsung SSD for $160. Most 1TBs are around 250-300 for a top end one.
Mechanical HDDs will soon be obsolete. I can't think of many reasons to keep them around, when SSDs are better in every way.
RAID setups on 1TB SSDs anyone? 1GB/s read/write speeds anyone?
Not to mention you can do multiple SSDs in RAID 0 and it seems they scale linearly no matter how many you add. Shit's gonna get cray.
Mechanical HDDs are the past.

Except maybe for this, this is the best possible use for a mechanical drive now:


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    #23775130 - 10/26/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

psi said:
If a SSHD is a solid state drive, and a SSD is a solid state drive, why am I contrasting them with two different terms? And how can a solid state drive be a subcomponent of itself?



Google is your friend:

SSD vs SSHD



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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: psi]
    #23775176 - 10/26/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

SSHDs are a gimmick at best, and will not last. I thought they were dumb trash when they were first made and they still are.
It's just a mechanical HDD with a tiny SSD attached to it. Great... fantastic.
Except you could just do that yourself separately and achieve better results and soon HDDs will be obsolete anyway..
It's just dumb IMO to mix the old and new technologies in one package and think it's something special... it's not.
Especially now that 1TB SSDs have come into the affordable for most people range..

It's like, let's make a hybrid CRT/IPS monitor... We could call it CRIPTS... or let's not and say we did.


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    #23775191 - 10/26/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I can't really see the appeal, unless for example it's for a laptop with a single drive bay.


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    #23775208 - 10/26/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

1TB SSD and call it a day, blam


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23775261 - 10/26/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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SSHDs are a gimmick at best, and will not last. I thought they were dumb trash when they were first made and they still are.



Exactly what I said earlier. The only reason can see the additional cache being useful is on some high end gaming rig running the latest games, what with their huge maps an all. Can you foresee any other circumstance in which they might actually be anything other than a gimmick?


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    #23775379 - 10/27/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No. When they first came around, people were already doing a similar concept by using a large mechanical HDD for mass storage and SSD to load OS and apps and most frequently used games and such.
Also IIRC the "cached" part of hybrids is flash memory that 'simulates' an SSD and isn't a true SSD and from tests I've seen is nowhere near as fast as SSDs.
For gaming the only time the hard drive is really working is during loading scenes and shit. The CPU/GPU is doing all the work 99% of the time.
SSHD you can't even choose what you want to store on the "mini" fake SSD, it chooses for you.
You want a mechanical drive, get a mechanical. You want the speed performance and reliability of an SSD, get an SSD. You want both? Have both, but fuck a hybrid.
A hybrid is MEH at both of those things. It tries to do both and in doing so falls short at both.
It's only 'fast' when it wants to be, most of the time it's not any faster than a HDD.. and is 1000x more likely to fail. An SSD is ALWAYS fast.

Quite simply it's a marketing gimmick to make more sales in the transition period between HDD and SSDs.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23775394 - 10/27/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quite simply it's a marketing gimmick to make more sales in the transition period between HDD and SSDs.



LOL. I should've known. I had my suspicions, but I didn't think they'd go this fucking far pushing the things that being the case.

I guess they bank on the fact that 95%+ of the population wouldn't even question it. Especially if they market it right. And from the manufacturer's perspective, it's a bit more revenue whilst we transition to full SSD drives once capacity becomes feasible.

I swear to fuck, it's little things like this, compounded year on year, that make me realise you basically cannot trust what anyone (other than close friends perhaps) tells you.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23775478 - 10/27/16 01:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

LOL it's just business as usual. Half of everything is marketing.. there's a new GPU every week, it's all just a slight upgrade over another. They do make progress though.

But you'd probably get mad at that too... for example in CPU/GPU land.. lots of times say the mid-level GPU (GTX 560) could be the exact same GPU chip as the GTX 580 (GF110), just with a bunch of CUDA cores disabled on the 560 where the 580 is a "fully enabled" GPU.
But there's valid reasons for that... the 580 GPUs would be the "cream of the crop" highest binned ones that pass all the tests where the 570s are also highly binned with some things disabled and the 560 ones didn't pass all the tests but did with some cores disabled etc..

Hybrid drives were just stupid from day 1 though.

It's generally only worth your money to wait about 3 generations of upgrades before you actually do, where you will see the most bang for your buck.

Anyway if you ever want advice just ask me, I eat sleep and breathe tech.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: The5thElement] * 1
    #23775487 - 10/27/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

OP just get this - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373
Under 160 for a 500GB top tier SSD, can't go wrong. Once you go SSD, you never go back.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23775498 - 10/27/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's generally only worth your money to wait about 3 generations of upgrades before you actually do, where you will see the most bang for your buck.

Anyway if you ever want advice just ask me, I eat sleep and breathe tech.



Thanks man, appreciate the offer. I don't have my finger on the pulse as much these days like when I was a DC op and hardware was my life, so am a bit rusty. Plus I don't game, so I don't need a lot of power.

But I do exactly as you say; build my own machines, run them constantly for 5-6 years, and then swap out the internals once something goes. It's not exactly costly and I experience very little degradation in performance between rebuilds.

It's OS support that pisses me off these days. I'm too lazy to go linux based, even though I quite easily could, and feel I should, and fucking Windows... I held on to XP until support went completely, and I can see myself doing the same with 7. I played on 10 recently and fucking hated it.

When I eventually build a desktop after settling in Australia, I'm gonna go Linux based and have a Windows laptop. What do you run at home?


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23775504 - 10/27/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

10 is garbage.. I hate it. I run 7 64bit ultimate for gaming and various flavors of Linux for dicking around. You can always dual boot or boot from USB with Linux too


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23775547 - 10/27/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have 10 on my laptop. I intended to wipe it and put windows 7 on it but just never got around to it. If I ever have to reformat and put on a new OS, it's going to be 7 for sure but I've kinda got used to 10 for the time being. It's not that bad. I had windows ME for a long time, so I'm well acquainted with just how bad Windows can be.

The only thing that really bothers me about windows 10 at this point, is the damn navigation and how they have everything laid out. It's so fucking unintuitive that I more often than not, just type the name of the file or  program I need into the search bar rather than try to track it down like I would on any other version of windows.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23776096 - 10/27/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you're playing with fire psi.

Tread carefully!


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23776117 - 10/27/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How so?


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    #23776139 - 10/27/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

bottom of page 2. i guess pris didnt mind... :shrug:


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23776147 - 10/27/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh the reading comprehension thing? I didn't think that broke any rules but I could be wrong. Honestly I really do have no idea whether he was pulling a "Ken M" routine or really didn't get what I was saying.


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Re: What Harddrive should I get? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23776159 - 10/27/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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bottom of page 2. i guess pris didnt mind... :shrug:





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