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TedTheHighlighter
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How does this sound?
#23766793 - 10/24/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I'm thinking I wanna get around to finally growing some mushrooms. I was thinking: Order 19 liters of 3015 from Amycel Give hay a soap bath followed by a hot water bath Later use the spawn to inoculate the straw by stuffing them layer by later into bread bags Poke bags and put them in a drilled and clear plastic bin/tote to colonize After colozation hang or lay the bags on something outside during the day (where it will be in the 50s or 60s) and then move them into my basement at night if it drops below 40 degress
Thats a short overview of a process most of you already know. But I just wanted to make sure my plan is understood.
My questions would be 1) How many bread bags (I don't know their volumes but just picture a normal sized bag that bread comes in) could 19 liters inoculate? 2) How much straw would I need? 3) How and how often should I water? 4) Any faults that you can see?
Any feedback is like super appreciated
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Hey Ted,
I like mixing the spawn into the straw to get inoculation points all over as opposed to layering...personal preference.
1) What's with the 19L volume...is it one of the sizes they sell? You can always order smaller volumes and expand via g2g...much more cost effective, though I don't know how much Amycel charges. 2) Just figure a spawn ratio. If you were gonna spawn at 10% your 19L (quarts essentially) would be able to inoculate around 190 lbs of straw. You can probably stuff 5-10 pounds of straw sub in a bread bag. 3) You shouldn't need to water. chuck them after the first or second flush to make room for more. Maybe start an outdoor graveyard and water it...pick what comes off. 4) Don't put them in a tote or anything to colonize...leave them out in room temp. Also, it's good to rotate or flip/roll whatever your straw logs so water doesn't pool on one side...they'll colonize better this way.
Just some observations. Good luck!
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23767040 - 10/24/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Use straw not hay
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23769028 - 10/25/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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drake89 said: Use straw not hay
Jeez, thats what I meant, idk why I say hay sometimes.
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Mycolorado said: Hey Ted,
I like mixing the spawn into the straw to get inoculation points all over as opposed to layering...personal preference.
1) What's with the 19L volume...is it one of the sizes they sell? You can always order smaller volumes and expand via g2g...much more cost effective, though I don't know how much Amycel charges. 2) Just figure a spawn ratio. If you were gonna spawn at 10% your 19L (quarts essentially) would be able to inoculate around 190 lbs of straw. You can probably stuff 5-10 pounds of straw sub in a bread bag. 3) You shouldn't need to water. chuck them after the first or second flush to make room for more. Maybe start an outdoor graveyard and water it...pick what comes off. 4) Don't put them in a tote or anything to colonize...leave them out in room temp. Also, it's good to rotate or flip/roll whatever your straw logs so water doesn't pool on one side...they'll colonize better this way.
Just some observations. Good luck!
I think that I heard the lady say that 19 liters was their smallest amount that they sell in. I could be wrong but that's what I thought. Also I expected that putting them in an ariated bin to colonize would be helpful. I figured the same with watering the logs outside if it doesn't rain for a few days. But you don't think so?
Any other feedback?
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The bin isn't necessary...at the very least it's just an inconvenience having to open and close a bin to check/turn your logs. As far as cultivation goes, it could actually impede colonization due to insufficient gas exchange(doubtful), but more likely due to heat build up from being stacked/confined and insulated by the bin... As far as watering, there should be enough water in the sub to produce a good first flush and a decent second. The fruit do like to be misted when they start growing, however. Also, you don't want to be moving your logs in and out. Find a dedicated area to grow them in either inside or outside.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23770785 - 10/25/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks Mycolorado Any others?
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MyColorado said it
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Quadman]
#23771194 - 10/25/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well its supposed to stay above 40 at night for a good while so could I leave them outside full-time?
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Alsoooo this is newbie question but you say spawning at a 10% ratio will be enough to innoculant 190 pounds of straw. I assume this means wet straw?
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Yeah, wet. Oyster mycelium is pretty aggressive so you can even go lower; a 5% spawn rate will do just as well, especially if you're supplementing with alfalfa (hay). Anyway, here's a 40 pound bag of straw inoculated with 4 pounds of spawn at 15 days. It started fruiting four days later. It's about 30 inches or so. You can also see the wet spot on the top where I failed to flip it until I realized how bad the water was pooling.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Mycolorado]
#23783028 - 10/29/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hm so 19 liters can get me a long ways. How much straw should I purchase? I don't even know how straw is sold?
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Straw is sold in bales of varying sizes. The smaller bales I'd say can be anywhere from 25 to 40 lbs.
Hydrated straw will weigh 4 to 5 times its dry weight (75-80% moisture content), so you should be looking for 40-50 lbs of dry straw at a 10% spawn rate.
Assuming 1 L of spawn weighs 1 lb, you'd need 171 lbs of hydrated straw for your 19 L of spawn.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: shroombasa]
#23784852 - 10/30/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You would also want some sort of sprinklers or misters where you are fruiting them outdoors. Unless you can spray em down through the day. A shady spot with lots of bushes around is best to raise the local RH.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23786990 - 10/30/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the advice. More is welcome
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I talked to amycel again. The lady said that the bags were actually 15 liters and weighed 19 pounds. So i guess I'm gonna make this happen. Hope it works
I do have another question. Does any straw work? Like it doesn't need to be of a certain quality, right? I assume some wheat straw from a local hardware store will be fine?
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You need to source clean bright straw. If weather was wet before harvest straw will be poor quality. Also if not baled promptly and gets rained on poor quality. It will be loaded with mold and toxins.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Quadman]
#23804676 - 11/05/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh. How do I know if straw is good enough
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Best to source straight from farm. If not then 1) should be stored dry 2) visually inspect a handful for off color spots on individual straws 3) the overall appearance of the bale clean ,bright and shiny 4) the wire or twine should look new 5) should not smell musty or moldy
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Quadman]
#23805221 - 11/06/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tractor supply stocks a shredded straw made by standlee. Shit works great rigt out the bag, if they have hardwood fuel pellets grab some of them too, you can mix it in with your straw.http://standleeforage.com/products/certified-straw-grab-go-compressed-bale
Do you plan on lime or hot water bath pasteurization? Here is my video on using straw.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23819775 - 11/10/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would the straw logs be okay indoors? I worry that it will be too cold outside
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Gr0wer]
#23819814 - 11/10/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: Tractor supply stocks a shredded straw made by standlee. Shit works great rigt out the bag, if they have hardwood fuel pellets grab some of them too, you can mix it in with your straw.http://standleeforage.com/products/certified-straw-grab-go-compressed-bale
Do you plan on lime or hot water bath pasteurization? Here is my video on using straw.
I have actually seen your video on straw before. How much does that standlee straw cost?
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Hmmm, straw flour. Wouldn't that be nice. Its as universal as grain flour.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Ferather]
#23825772 - 11/12/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bump
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Hey Ted, if your having trouble sourcing straw it may be worth into looking into sawdust or fuel pellets, in the end many people move to wood from straw because of better yield and quality of fruits. Just a thought if you haven't invested in materials for straw logs yet.
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Hmmmm, If I was looking for hygienic and clean straw, I would check pet stores. Pet sections in malls (supermarkets), and even general goods stores.
If you have a farm nearby, they might have a farm shop. I would Google around for large get stores.
Take pics and drop them here.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Ferather]
#23826243 - 11/12/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here you go Ted, pet section of eBay. Straw pellets, mix that with anything. Straw and wood pellet mix, or straw and paper pellet mix, so on.
It might ok by its self, but could powder.
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Marty Mycfly said: Hey Ted, if your having trouble sourcing straw it may be worth into looking into sawdust or fuel pellets, in the end many people move to wood from straw because of better yield and quality of fruits. Just a thought if you haven't invested in materials for straw logs yet.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: shroombasa]
#23827015 - 11/12/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I bought some organic mulch and mixed it with sawdust and other goodies. Mulch is just about everywhere and cheap.
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Thanks for all the help guys
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TedTheHighlighter said: Would the straw logs be okay indoors? I worry that it will be too cold outside
Can I get an answer to this^
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Sure straw logs inside is done all the time. Just have to be able to give them humidity and fresh air.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Quadman]
#23831472 - 11/14/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So many like on a table in front of a window that I can open for periods of the day?
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Depending on the oyster variety they can withstand light freezes. I have chopped ice of wild ones in my area.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Quadman]
#23831824 - 11/14/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the amycel lady said that all they had was their "blue-grey" strain
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Bummer, try the Shroomery Market place.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Ferather]
#23832184 - 11/14/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im fine with that strain though
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It is a nice one, quite common. Plenty is known about it.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Ferather]
#23832220 - 11/14/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The grey is the amycel 3015. Hey Ted, you do not want to be fruiting large logs in your house like that, you have to exhaust the spores completely out or you will get seriously sick and develop an allergy to oyster spores so bad you won't be able to grow them anymore. Happened to me when I started and to plenty of people like Roger Rabbit, in fact he almost died from oyster spores. "Mushroom pickers lung" is something that people develop even in controlled grow rooms without the right protection. Just be careful, growing a few oysters on the counter isn't a huge deal, but fruiting multiple logs like that is recipe for bad health.
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Marty Mycfly said: The grey is the amycel 3015. Hey Ted, you do not want to be fruiting large logs in your house like that, you have to exhaust the spores completely out or you will get seriously sick and develop an allergy to oyster spores so bad you won't be able to grow them anymore. Happened to me when I started and to plenty of people like Roger Rabbit, in fact he almost died from oyster spores. "Mushroom pickers lung" is something that people develop even in controlled grow rooms without the right protection. Just be careful, growing a few oysters on the counter isn't a huge deal, but fruiting multiple logs like that is recipe for bad health.
Oh so I guess I should avoid growing indoors. Thanks for that info. I'm just worried about temperatures.
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I time the seasons, but before that I had a temperature controlled outdoor grow tent.
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Re: How does this sound? [Re: Ferather]
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Hm, Im not really trying to set up a tent or other shelter system. Would temperature ranges of 30-60 degrees F be too cold for oyster logs?
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Bump^
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I think you should just buck up and build a little something, or just wait until the spring, but if you do it now I wouldn't buy any commercial spawn for it because it may be a crap shoot. Also, maybe look into some cold weather mushrooms if you want to grow something now. Kings will grow in 40 f +.
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Look at what the suppliers have, there are oysters that can tolerate those temps. Would I try boatloads of them ,no. A few logs for pleasure and to eat ,sure.
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There are a bunch of species that can tolerate that range, but if your temps are all over the board, it'll be impossible to produce a consistent yield week-to-week. Lower temps = slower growth (generally).
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