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Cpt Dingas
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First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt
#23766331 - 10/24/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello beautiful beings! I have been browsing these forums for over a year now, but this is my very first post  I've got a good experience with psychedelics already, but I have never fully been to the "other side". I've had shrooms around 5 times (some with maoi), dmt over 10 times and 2 acid trips...also a low dose ayahuasca. I go by the rule Set & Setting is more important than the substance itself, so I always tend to meditate in darkness and silence.
There is going to be a very good opportunity for me to trip relatively soon, so I have started planning... Right now I'm thinking of doing 4 grams of cubensis with 2 grams of syrian rue seeds and maybe, very likely, spice up the experience with some smoked dmt.
I'd take the maoi, wait an hour and take the shrooms and after 30 minutes or so I'd like to smoke the dmt, I will see, how I feel about it at that moment  I've read that smoking dmt while on maoi makes the experience more intense (of course), but also prolongs the after effects, which would be really what i want... to have an enhanced mushroom trip from dmt.
Do you think 4 grams of cubensis is going to be enough for an intense trip? Do you think smoking the dmt on the come up is a good idea? People tend to do it while peaking, which I dont have problem with really and it might even be better... ^^ What about smoking dmt twice during the whole experience? xD
and yes im aware of maoi diet
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23767104 - 10/24/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cpt Dingas said: Do you think 4 grams of cubensis is going to be enough for an intense trip? Do you think smoking the dmt on the come up is a good idea? People tend to do it while peaking, which I dont have problem with really and it might even be better... ^^ What about smoking dmt twice during the whole experience? xD
Well what has your dosages been like with your previous mushrooms trips?...and other trips in general?....Define "intense trip" .
4g of cubes paired with 2g of rue seeds should be a proper full on experience , maybe bump the rue up to at least 3g if you want full enzyme inhibition (I forget the exact numbers, but I've heard it usually takes around at least 3g of rue seed to cause full inhibition for most people....but 2g of rue seed will still potentiate and bring another layer to the experience).
Any particular reason you want to smoke the DMT during the come up?....I personally wouldn't want to smoke DMT during the come up of any trip. I just don't see the reason and wouldn't feel cozy diving into everything right at once and would feel that I'd get far more out of it if I waited to smoke during the peak and/or during the tail end of the mushroom trip. I like to let the trip develop and do it's thing for a bit before I add more things into the mix (such smoking weed/hash, inhaling nitrous oxide, or smoking DMT).
When ever I do smoke DMT while already tripping on mushrooms, or L, or mescaline....I'll usually do it twice, once right around the latter part of the peak, and once again during the tail end of things. Or just when ever it feels right, but that's never during the come up or first hour or two of the trip.
and if you haven't already....nitrous oxide is always a lovely addition to a trip. It has incredible synergy with the classic psychedelics, I've had several experiences from inhaling nitrous while on LSD or mushrooms that have been on par with my smoked DMT experiences in intensity/profoundness.
Have a good one, safe travels .
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: openmind]
#23769080 - 10/25/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some of my highest shrooms trips were on 30 pieces of liberty caps (dont know the dosage) and with 18 grams of fresh dutchii trouffles with 2g of rue...
I can bump up the rue to 3 grams... Will probably do that x_X
Well I was thinking I'd do the dmt right on the come up, when I start feeling some effects of the psilohuasca (hehe), because when combined with maoi the after effects of dmt stay longer, so it could make the whole experience totally different... more intense, as it is what im looking for. I've heard, when people do dmt on shrooms or lsd (without maoi) the rest of the trip is much more intense, it isnt just those few minutes after inhalation of dmt. I could smoke it two times, you are right. I guess I will do as I feel ^^
I have never tried nitrous oxide and I dont even want to, to be honest... 
Thanks for the reply!
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23769088 - 10/25/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your onto a winning combo ime. My personal method is harmine 30 minutes before then shrooms then dmt on or straight after the peak. The way a Maoi lengthens and potentiates the trip is not to be underestimated which is the main reason it's my 1st choice. I like to go deep but I also wouldn't personally smoke the dmt on the way up...just a bit to risky imo. Weed can be a great throttle control on the way up.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: pineninja]
#23769282 - 10/25/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about smoking just a threshold or a little more on the way up and then going full ham during the peak?
Weed has ruined several of my dmt trips, so Im not going to smoke any ^^
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23770285 - 10/25/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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At the end of the day bud if your calm confident and wanna give it a go you should. My reasons for not doing it on the come up are mine alone.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: pineninja]
#23770780 - 10/25/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably wanna go for 3 to 3.5 grams of Rue. But just be warned, Rue will potentiate the mushrooms a bit and will lengthen the duration to about 9 to 10 hours ime, though i use strong Rue dosages so it might not lengthen it as much if using 3 grams or so.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23772293 - 10/26/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the opinions and tips... I will be much more confident about the whole experience now O:)
Do you think it is a good idea to do this on Halloween? It isnt celebrated in my area that seriously, but im thinking more of the energy, that will be in the air during this special day.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23772423 - 10/26/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You dont sound like you're prepared bro
Watch this
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Gaspard]
#23772663 - 10/26/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think you really need to use rue especially if you dont know the potency of your mushrooms before taking them.
You could basically be looking at a very prolonged Anahuasca trip and too be honest for me Anahuasca has a perfect duration not too long or short.
If you take too much the substance can destroy both your set and your setting so make sure you know your dose and your substances. I would advise you try normal deems based Anahuasca before moving on to trying it out with shrooms.
The former will take you to a very similar place (probably much deeper too) but wont keep you there for nearly as long...
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: wolf8312]
#23773185 - 10/26/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think he'll be fine with Shrooms and Rue, DMT and Rue is by far much more intense than Shrooms and Rue, at least so far ime. Shrooms seem quite gentle, though it can be quite strong/powerful, just not as intense as DMT for sure.
I took 3.5 grams of Shrooms on Monday with a super strong dosage of Rue, and even though the Rue was definitely too much, i didn't notice anything bad or horrible except for the stomach discomfort caused by the Shrooms chitin.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Sabnock]
#23773229 - 10/26/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMT and Psilo are pretty close as far as pharmokenetics and the actual molecule itself I personally wouldn't combine them, seems redundant.
Mushrooms and harmalas though... Sounds great.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: wolf8312]
#23774161 - 10/26/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've experienced low dose ayahuasca and combination of shrooms and rue 2 times now and it was absolutely ok, that's why I want to add the dmt to this mix this time, because I'm not looking for something ok, I've had enough of those, I'm looking for something intense this time.
Doing dmt on shrooms isn't anything new, there are tons of people, who have done it and recommend it, although that isn't with MAOI... I might not go for full enzyme inhibition, I'll see. I'm thinking of doing it tomorrow 27th :o
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: impaired420]
#23774213 - 10/26/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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impaired420 said: DMT and Psilo are pretty close as far as pharmokenetics and the actual molecule itself I personally wouldn't combine them, seems redundant.
Mushrooms and harmalas though... Sounds great.
Its far from redundant. Simple maths means 2 goods don't make a bad.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: pineninja]
#23774290 - 10/26/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've smoked changa a few times on LSD and it was beautiful. Though the maoi from that only really potentiated the DMT.
I would also recommend waiting for the peak, definitely worth it. DMT has wonderful energy that seems to last throughout the trip. Just be sure that you are ready, three powerful substances mixed can be severely overwhelming.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: impaired420]
#23774801 - 10/26/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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impaired420 said:I personally wouldn't combine them, seems redundant.
Not really. One time i took some Acacia Confusa, purified Harmalas, Lemon Balm, and like 600mgs or so of some leftover Shroom powder i had, and the Shrooms synergized wonderfully with it, even at such a small dosage. I have a feeling, based on my few Shroom experiences so far, that it'd go wonderfully with Acacia at least, and with Acacia there's also NMT. I also wanna try it out with Mimosa sometime soon after i try it with Acacia and Lemon Balm again.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas] 1
#23779097 - 10/28/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So guys... It happened yesterday.
It was very intense... I didnt do DMT, I couldnt even imagine Id do it, to be honest. I didn't have scale for the rue, so I took a eyeball dose. I added 7,5 grams of magic truffles (those are not that potent) to the 4 grams of cubensis (turns out those were very fucking potent ). I soaked it in lemon juice, so psilocybin would turn into psilocin = faster onset and I think.
The trip started 10 minutes after ingesting the psilocin juice, it was all fine for the first hour or so, I was chilling in the roam i set up, listening to Interstellar soundtrack, burning incense and candles, drinking tea. But then suddenly some paranoia creeped up onto me, I had difficult time breathing and thats when it all went down hill... I had a full on panic attack for the first time of my life, I thought I wouldnt survive the night... I thought the shrooms I took were rotten and I took way too much of syrian rue (couldnt be possible, it had to be something around 2 grams). I wanted to get it out of me, but I couldnt force puking, thats when I realized I was fucked... I called my good friend, who trips, if he could arrive, but he couldnt and nobody who could help me was able to come, he helped me get some of the paranoia away by just talking on a phone... then strange things happened (kind a personal) and there I was totally calmed down, just chilling again.
Overall Im very grateful for this difficult experience, I got. Some may call it a "bad trip", but for me, it was a really big lesson. Showed I clearly am not mentally strong enough to fuck around like this. My respect for psychedelics has definitely increased, which is a good thing, in my opinion 
ps: My next trip is going to be new years eve ayahuasca
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23779909 - 10/28/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Overall Im very grateful for this difficult experience, I got. Some may call it a "bad trip", but for me, it was a really big lesson. Showed I clearly am not mentally strong enough to fuck around like this. My respect for psychedelics has definitely increased, which is a good thing, in my opinion
Personally I'd be nervous about taking rue with shrooms; I'd spend too much time freaking out that I took some kind of deadly overdose
I prefer to just dose high on the shrooms if I want a strong trip.
I think the idea of being "mentally strong enough" to handle the intensity of large doses is the wrong way of thinking about it. There is a kind of 'point of no return' at higher doses where a trip is not going to reach a level of intensity and then let you "handle it", it becomes inevitable that its going to obliterate you. There's nothing 'chill' about it, the candles and incense won't help when the trip starts to feel like a nuclear weapons test...
Music is always good, but the general vibe (to quote a trip journal) is that "every fresh hell that rolls in is the soundtrack to your extinction".

You can panic and start to fear and resist death but sooner or later you have to "die" inside the trip to get out of it, even if you think you are *actually* dying in real life. Maybe over time you panic and resist a bit less, and consider it a normal part of tripping, but its less about being "mentally strong" and more about being prepared to give up control of the trip. Paranoia, delusions, fear of imminent death.... it comes with the territory, and the 'death' option actually becomes a bit of a refuge where you can sink blissfully into a transcendent oblivion and get away from the paranoid, delusional mindfuck for a few minutes.

If you are going to "fuck around" with doses strong enough to cause a panic attack, its probably easier if you are only taking the mushrooms, as its easier to calm yourself down if you know that what you took is physically safe in pretty much any dose you can realistically eat. I would only consider messing around with rue after a lot of experience trying very large doses of mushrooms.... and to be honest the shrooms are crazy enough for me without potentiating them, I'll leave that to others.
There's an interesting report here of 10g cubes + 4g rue which is the kind of thing that makes me wary of experimenting.....
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Aldebaran]
#23780005 - 10/28/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah if taking Shrooms with Rue, you definitely wanna know your dosages. The Rue most likely wasn't the issue, you took 7.5 grams of truffles and 4 grams of cubensis, so it's safe to say you were definitely in for quite the ride lol. If mixing Shrooms with rue, you definitely wanna go for a bit of a lower dosage of Shrooms (like anywhere from 2 to 5 grams perhaps, and not go over 4 grams of Rue. At least, imo. Glad you made it through it though.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Aldebaran]
#23780244 - 10/28/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The phrase "fuck around" was a littl over exaggerated. I just didn't expect the intensity the combination and dosage can have... I should have definitely taken a little lower of a dose, but that was me thinking I can dose high without the occurrence of any serious problem.
I don't really know, what started the paranoia... I was lying and dissolving into nothingness and suddenly I had this difficulty catching breath. I wasn't really feeling anxious before the breathing problem. I'll definitely do my next intense experience with someone. Also I might have forgotten to mention, I experienced complete ego death, which I always wanted to know, how it is.
The experience could be better, but it definitely definitely could be worse, so I'm happy for it ^^
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Cpt Dingas]
#23780343 - 10/28/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't really know, what started the paranoia...
It's not unusual to feel physically weird or start to fixate on some normal sensation which feels utterly different because you are tripping.....then start to worry that its some kind of serious problem.
Also you can get sudden, random changes of emotion - combine the two and suddenly you are in a panic attack over nothing much. It works both ways though, so often you can have a period of anxiety then settle down and go back to enjoying the trip (or at least flow with it without resisting too much).
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The experience could be better, but it definitely definitely could be worse, so I'm happy for it
Yes, its not really a "what did I do wrong?" scenario, its just an intense trip with some difficult moments - if you are beginning to experiment with high doses it's bound to happen.
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Re: First intense experience | maoi + shrooms + dmt [Re: Aldebaran]
#23781027 - 10/28/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Personally I would take the dmt orally at the same time as the mushrooms. I wouldn't want to try to smoke dmt at the peak. I'd also up the rue a bit, something like 4g cubes + 4g rue + 30mg DMT.
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