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OfflineCrobih
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Pathway to the internet democracy
    #2376625 - 02/25/04 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good evening. This is a sort of manifest. What we have to do to accomplish internet democracy. The true democracy, where minority wont rule over majority. Where people will have the real power in their hands. The new political era of the human society.


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2376627 - 02/25/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Need for true democracy

In its essence, the actual political order is oligarchy. The centers of power own the media and finance political parties. By owing the media, centers of power shape public opinion according to their interests and needs. They maintain their oligopoly by shaping public opinion by influencing the people through propaganda, the people being the utmost authority in a democratic political order. Political parties carry out politics that suits power-holders, and not the governed people.

Oligarchy carefully destroys the real opposition, i.e. progressive political forces, all the while offering the public an illusory freedom of choice (for ex. the Democrats or the Republicans, the Labourists or the Tories, the SDP or the HDZ). At the same time, it turns public interest far away from the real problems and, therefore, slows societal progress down.

Having a closed and non-transparent structure, oligarchy creates lots of bottlenecks and arrears, which, in turn, constantly push it ever farther from the people?s interests. After a certain time, bad politics, the leading of which is left to those who are themselves the main obstacle to the realization of societal interests, causes a political crisis. At this point, oligarchy loses its political strength, the people become increasingly unsatisfied and revolutionary ideas build up their force. Revolution brings new political elite to power, but this one shows the same signs of corruption as the last one. All the while, the power centers stay far aside, often untouched. The whole process does not bring any significant progress, except for societal catharsis.

Result: today?s democratic order is, in its essence, equally democratic as the DDR or Saddam?s regime. The difference between those regimes may reside in the degree of open manipulation and repression. However, from the point of view of quality, dictatorship, one-party system and oligarchy are the same, because the real power does not belong to the people, but to the few members of the elite.


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2376629 - 02/25/04 05:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Internet-democracy

Thanks to the Internet, we are able to create a virtual interface for a direct political participation of all the members of a political community. Such an open Forum, that enables the equality of all participants, as well as transparent political discussions, stimulates the advent of new political elite.

In itself, internet-democracy means the rule of open and transparent political elite. This elite consists of individuals competent in their respective areas (pedagogues, parents, sociologists, football players, etc.) Within the frame of internet-democracy, public opinion is created directly by those competent persons. The reason for this is the rise of the importance of responsibility, because a fully transparent system enables both an easy recognition of responsibility and punishment of any form of unwanted action.

As democracy is a system where the right people are at the right places, it is necessary to clarify this concept.

One question for you. Are you going to take part in a discussion, if you, in effect, don?t have a clue about its issues, and if you will be held responsible for the consequences of your agitation? The answer is obvious ? you aren?t. Common sense, this feature of any socially adapted human being, compels the individual to be silent if he or she could be held responsible for publicly declaring their opinions based on ignorance. This is a natural human defense mechanism, and competent individuals use it in internet-democracy when creating public opinion.

The openness and transparency of internet-democracy compel all participants in the political process to be prudent and just, because anybody?s unreliability can be proven very easily. Transparency makes it possible for everyone to spot any irregularity, and openness gives everybody the possibility of informing the public about it.

The political elite formed in this system is naturally filtered according to its contribution to the general betterment on all levels. This elite is the foundation of the internet-democracy. As any wrong move becomes obvious quite fast in a transparent system, the very openness of the system enables an easy replacement of a corrupted or, simply, bad cadre. The openness and easy accessibility of this system produce a permanent decentralization of power, lasting until the complete awakening of the people. This means the transformation of individuals from political objects into political subjects.

As you may have observed, there is no direct popular vote in this system. Direct voting can facilitate the processes in frequent referendums, but it is not the base of the idea of internet-democracy.


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2376630 - 02/25/04 05:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Political decisions in internet-democracy

The whole people do not have to be the arbiter in each political decision. This would be impractical, and, as we are about to explain, unnecessary. In this system, the people still can choose their delegates. The principle of horizontal communication makes it possible to solve political problems on the level of their appearance and under constant monitoring by the whole political community that protects and propagates the general interest. The openness and transparency of the system ensure that the solutions found are optimal for the political community (including the choice of the arbiter). This gives such a political body the legitimacy it requires.


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2376631 - 02/25/04 05:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The establishment of the internet-democracy

The forces that will establish the internet-democracy are, of course, the true democratic forces with the following political features:

* They take part in politics for the purpose of general benefit
* They trust in human beings and are not afraid of them
* They know that they are not, and that they can not be the cleverest

In an internet-democracy system, these features can not be faked, because only the truly democratic forces accept the complete transparency of their political actions. It is the main source of their power, i.e. their primary political interest.

The first step towards the establishment of the internet-democracy is the creation of the interface that will enable an adequate political communication ? a two-way, horizontal and vertical contact of political subjects, unlimited by time. This is the project that the Tiaktiv organization is currently working on.


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2376639 - 02/25/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Though, this text has not been passed through the lecture, there could be some minor misunderstanding. The lady who translated this text is not in philosophy of politics, so plese, understand that there are probalby some parts that are misinterpreted. I hope it wont matter to you :smile:.


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2376647 - 02/25/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What is this all about? I really don't understand what it is you are trying to say. Could you please explain it in a few simple words for me? Thanks


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2380362 - 02/26/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Crobih said:
Good evening. This is a sort of manifest. What we have to do to accomplish internet democracy. The true democracy, where minority wont rule over majority. Where people will have the real power in their hands. The new political era of the human society.




A manifest, or a manifesto?


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2380433 - 02/26/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Great posts Crobih! Its cool to see people formulating the sort of ideas that have been going round in my head for a while now.

Heres to an open and interactive political future!


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: GazzBut]
    #2386263 - 02/28/04 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well Guzz. I am really glad we share the view about the solution of the problems.
Now we have to activate ourselves to achieve this.


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Re: Pathway to the internet democracy [Re: Crobih]
    #2423559 - 03/12/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hello Gazz! I have been considering these days to start a news group about Internet democracy. One pall gave me the idea about doig this few days ago. What do you think about it?


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