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patcorr_2001
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Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please!
#23765050 - 10/23/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello all, I am new to shroomery.org. My first attempt a year ago was a complete disaster as all of my 10 half pint jars went to crap (trichoderma / some other types of mold is what I had identified it was by comparing to google images) Anyways I was a lot more careful / used better sterility methods this time around. Both times(last and current) I followed the instructions of Roadkill / RR's lets grow mushrooms videos. First batch I had tried I skipped a few vital steps and incorporated some idiotic ones of my own(kept jars in an enclosed closet with a heater running which I'm sure spreaded dust and contaminates in the air which I believed ruined all ten of my first ever attempted jars. Anyways just wanted to explain where I was at and where I'm at now. Here are my questions / concerns:
1.is this really mycelium growth?
For some reason I can't paste anymore URL's for photos on this site, using my tablet it's giving me a hard time, had 3 other photos , 2 that looked like mycelium and one that looked like a black mold substance. Please visit my user gallery to see the photos I am speaking of, it's the only way I could upload the photos to this site as it would not let me post more than one in this topic for some reason.
my other jars haven't seem to of progressed any more yet, but I read it can take weeks, even a month to see mycelium. Now with this grow I was a lot more sterile/careful, but am still in fear it may not work in my favour. My spores were purchased exactly a year ago from this month Oct 2015) . I had purchased both treasure coast and penis envy. I read online usually they stay good for atleast 6 months , and heard of some peoples spores being good much longer that that , they were kept in a dark place at a constant temperature of 70-75 degrees.
5 days ago I inoculated 7 jars with the PE spores, and My rooms closet temps vary by roughly 68-72 degrees . One of my jars seems to have mycelium starting at a decent rate, but I want an experts opinion on if it is 100% mycelium as I have never seen any with my own eyes before. The first two photos I'm posting are of the same jar ar different angles. The third photo is of another jar that I suspect may be mycelium starting to grow but need an opinion from experienced growers such as yourselves . And the 4th and last photo is of a jar that I suspect to be some sort of black mold. I could be wrong as I am a new grower, but that's why I'm here asking for your guys' assistance. I hope I am posting in the right forum , and hope I don't get flamed for the such high amount of information I just posted, but I just wanted to be thorough and wanted you guys to know exactly what's going on / exactly what my current/past experience is with this kind of stuff. Really hope an expert can chime in and give me some answers.
Thanks ahead of time to whomever has read my post, and to anyone whom might answer some of my questions . I've heard nothing but good things about the shroomery forum , and look forward in receiving help/good helpful information so I may succeed in my future mushroom cultivating endeavours already loving this hobby even though I've never successfully created a producing substrate to date, but I'm very optimistic this will be my first successful run. Thanks mates!
I know I'm a noob but somebody please chime in, you have no idea how much I would appreciate it,, thanks guys.
P.C
Edited by patcorr_2001 (10/23/16 07:23 PM)
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23765170 - 10/23/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks kinda like myc,pic is distorted at the glass. I don't see a dry verm layer, which is essential for blocking contamination in cakes. give it some time and look for colors. It if you don't have a dry verm layer, your in for some disappointment.
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
#23765186 - 10/23/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why pe with cakes. Also yes looks myc growing. But what kind is still unsee. Keep posted
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: PortabellaFella 1] 1
#23765205 - 10/23/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PortabellaFella 1 said: Looks kinda like myc,pic is distorted at the glass. I don't see a dry verm layer, which is essential for blocking contamination in cakes. give it some time and look for colors. It if you don't have a dry verm layer, your in for some disappointment.
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23765303 - 10/23/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You got the whole world in your hands. Looks like you can follow directions.
It's pretty hard to identify a dry verm layer. I feel there might be one.
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23765331 - 10/23/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you don't have a dry vermiculite layer at the top of the jars-go ahead and throw them away and start again fresh. The dry vermiculite layer is your filter that catches contaminates and does not allow them to get into your cake.
If you do have a dry vermiculite layer - then disregard the above.
You will know in the coming days if the inoculation points are contaminated or not. For now, keep going - try not to screw with them too much and post more pictures in a few days.
In a couple days - it will be extremely easy to see if your jars have contaminated or not. Right now-I can't quite tell. One jar looked a bit moldish-but I was having trouble depicting substrate from droplets.
Just toss some pictures up in a few days if you are still uncertain by that point.
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: morty422]
#23765558 - 10/23/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree that the main focal point in the pic you have posted looks like mycelium, but kind of above and to the left on the same jar. That looks like some kind of mycelium (possible good stuff, possibly not) starting at the very top. I would be weary of that. Especially if you don't have a dry verm layer.
Edit: don't feel bad about not having a successful grow so far. I had 4 epic, disastrous fails before I ever got my first shroom. It'll happen for you. Read as much as you can possibly read on this site. Use the search bar at the top of the page and remember to click on search forums above the search bar.
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Edited by thebug76 (10/24/16 06:49 AM)
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patcorr_2001
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23766889 - 10/24/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow I'm shocked at all the replies in such a short amount of time, this community rocks !
As for the dry layer of Vern , I do have one on each cake . I even wiped the upper 2 inches of glass with a paper towel before adding the dry layer of Verm as instructed in RR's lets grow mushrooms video tutorial. I didn't wet the paper towel when I wiped/cleaned the top 2 inches of glass , is that crucial? Can't remember if that's what he instructed to do or not when cleaning that top two inches of glass . My holes are still taped that's how they should be right ? Keep seeing mixed answers on whether or not to leave tape on the inoculation holes of not , but to me it makes sense cause you want to keep contaminates out for the time being right ? And remove them at about 60% inoculation for gas exchange or keep the tape throughout the whole incubation period? Again thanks a million times to everyone who took time out of they're day to help a newbie like myself . I chose penis envy because it looked like a cool strain to grow , someone asked why penis envy with cakes , is that a bad choice / strain to use with pf tek? I also have another syringe full of treasure coast , it's a also a year old (purchased last October) just like my penis envy was . Is TC a better spore to use with of tek? Looking for something that's good for a first time grower using pf tek cakes such as myself . Should the dry layer of Verm first of been put in the oven to sterilize/destroy contaminated before adding it to the jars? Because I didn't see that in RRs video so I did not do that . Sorry if my questions are all over the place guys just excited and trying to explain as much as I can so I can get all the answers I need . You guys r awesome .I will post new pictures in 2-3 days from now , and I'll try to get them as clear as possible guys , the jars have a design on them which may be why they're harder to see in pictures . Thanks fellow Mushie Mates !
PC
Edited by patcorr_2001 (10/24/16 01:54 PM)
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23767294 - 10/24/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:08 PM)
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patcorr_2001
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23767509 - 10/24/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your not being a dick at all mate... After I wrote that huge paragraph I realized I had f**ked up by not splitting it up and figured somebody would flame me or bring it up and for that I'm sorry.
Damn I shoulda researched the strains before ordering them :/ oh well live and learn right! Do you think treasure coast would be a good strain for pf cakes / good for beginner and a decent yield producing strain?
Well my plan was to put it in a shotgun chamber (I think that's what RR called it in his video) is that what I should do with the cakes once they 100% colonize and I dunk them? Or is there another method I should do since they are PE cakes? I read up on breaking the cakes and mixing it with a. Substrate and putting casing layers for better yields . Was just gonna stick with the cakes/chamber for my first grow, but your making it sound like that might not be such a good idea, what do you think I should do?
I hope I split it into paragraphs good this time mate lol thanks for taking the time to read my post and giving me some input, it's greatly appreciated!
PC
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23768542 - 10/24/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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patcorr_2001 said: Your not being a dick at all mate... After I wrote that huge paragraph I realized I had f**ked up by not splitting it up and figured somebody would flame me or bring it up and for that I'm sorry.
Damn I shoulda researched the strains before ordering them :/ oh well live and learn right! Do you think treasure coast would be a good strain for pf cakes / good for beginner and a decent yield producing strain?
Well my plan was to put it in a shotgun chamber (I think that's what RR called it in his video) is that what I should do with the cakes once they 100% colonize and I dunk them? Or is there another method I should do since they are PE cakes? I read up on breaking the cakes and mixing it with a. Substrate and putting casing layers for better yields . Was just gonna stick with the cakes/chamber for my first grow, but your making it sound like that might not be such a good idea, what do you think I should do?
I hope I split it into paragraphs good this time mate lol thanks for taking the time to read my post and giving me some input, it's greatly appreciated!
PC
You need to make sure your cakes are WELL rolled in vermiculite after birthing. You also need to make sure you have a system to bottom water your cakes seeing as you're attempting to fruit a mushroom that loves to drink up the water. Penis Envy is a more advanced fruiting body to cultivate. It will take more love and determination than others... it is still possible for you to grow PE with cakes-however, you need to make sure you have the finest vermiculite possible to case your cakes in and you need to keep the surface of that cake at the optimal levels of humidity. PE with cakes is not easy-you will likely get strange growth at first with fruits after. There are a number of things against you at this point. I would like to tell you to go ahead and attempt an easier set of spores that will be better in cake cultivation... PE is what I would like to call a novelty. As well as APE (Albino Penis Envy).
This will be a difficult cultivation adventure for you. Read all about PE and get prepared-this was a strange choice for cakes...!
As for your SGFC idea - Yes!
A SGFC is always the best bet when it comes to cakes of any name. Make sure you create it correctly and don't screw around with its assembly. It is crucial to the life of your cakes as well ad the yield-which is already diminished due to your choice in spore.

Shoot us any questions you might have...
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23769591 - 10/25/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply/info dude . Yeah I highly regret getting PE spores now lol , shoulda done more research on the types of spores I was buying instead of picking them based on looks(they look like huge dicks thought it would be some funny mush to attemp growing lol).
I also have treasure coast spores , are those more beginner friendly/a much better yielder and cake friendly spore ?
Today I checked my cakes... The one in the picture with all the mycelium , I'm afraid is contaminated ! Above the mycelium to the left I now see new growth that looks like a darkish bit of blue and green growth which I'm afraid is trich. I best get rid of this entire jar and throw it out ASAP right? The growth looks nothing at all like mycelium so I assume it's not good.
Another cake has a bit of what looks like mycelium staring to grow, I'm just happy these 12 month old spores still seem to be good and not gone bad . I'm afraid this grow is going to end up 75% contaminated anyways so I think sometime this week I will attemp a whole other grow with my treasure coast spores .
If some of my PE turn out 100% colonized and contaminate free , is it okay to put two different strains in the same fruiting chamber ?? And do treasure coast colonize / grow nicely compare to PE? Thanks for all the help guys , I feel my chances of succeeding are much higher now that I have help from you guys .
PC
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23769796 - 10/25/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does anyone recommend with my next attemp , to maybe just buy a spawn bag and inject my spores in it?
I was thinking is it possible to inject my spores in this spawn bag ( https://www.mycohaus.com/collections/mushroom-grow-kits/products/all-in-one-5-pound-spawn-bag-rye-compost-grow-kit ) wait for it to Colonize 100% , and then remove the substrate on top , break up the colonized rye and grow it in a tray ? Would that work/ give me a better yield with my treasure coast spores? Plus wouldn't that be an easier way/ harder to screw up?
Also does anyone know if this is a good store for quality sterile supplies ? I saw an ad for it here on shroomery.
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23769821 - 10/25/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:08 PM)
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: amidogen]
#23770003 - 10/25/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alrighty, so I'll stick to the pf tek method . I do not own a pressure cooker but I used the method putting jar Lids and tinfoil in a big put with water on the bottom and putting my jars/substrate in it for 90 minutes which is in the "lets grow mushrooms " video created by RR. Thanks for all the info guys ..
Within the next few days when I have time I will be redoing everything . Guys , should I clean my jars very very good before adding my substrate to them? I used a bit of soap and water last time, would bleaching them in a tub or something be a better idea ?
And as for my vermiculite and brown rice flour, is that good to use straight out of the packaging or do you/would you guys first throw it in the oven to kill any bacteria and to sterilize it?
Also, when I inoculated last time I'm scared maybe the method I'm about to describe to you, that I used , could have contaminated some of my jars? When I flame sterilized my spore syringe for inoculation , I used a regular lighter . The syringe turns black from the type of fuel in a regular lighter so after flame sterilizing the needle each time, I would use an alcohol wipe to wipe off the black stuff off the syringe each time before I stuck it in a new jar. And I was using the same alcohol wipe every time . Is it bad to use an alcohol wipe after flame sterilization ? Cause In lets grow mushrooms vid, he flame sterilizes and then inoculates then wipes and flames again. I flame sterilized , wiped and then inoculated , if you guys get what I mean..
Just a thought on maybe that's why I got contams, might be dumb for asking that question but I want to be sure. I'm buying a butane lighter next time so I don't have that issue with the black residue on my syringe that a regular lighter leaves.
Thanks again everyone.
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23770067 - 10/25/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:08 PM)
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: amidogen]
#23770935 - 10/25/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright thanks for the info. So most likely all my jars are contaminated and I most likely won't end up with even one cake now since I made that mistake when inoculating? Cause 2-3 seem to look contaminated already , and one of those is the one with the most mycelium /'the one I was most excited about 
I even wore gloves and long sleeve and constantly sanitized my gloves with Hand sanitizer afraid to contaminate my jars, when all along I fucked up bad wiping my needle with that alcohol wipe prior to inoculation I feel like an idiot wish I had a butane lighter in the first place.
Going to buy a butane lighter literally right now, and going to restart my grow tomorrow but with my treasure coast spores instead. Did some research on TC and it's supposedly a fast colonizer and produces niece yields and flushes, so that made me happy to read . I think after everyone's helpful info and tips, that there's no way I won't end up with atleast a few good cakes this time around. I will be starting 10 more jars tomorrow, Thanks again everyone.
As for the current PE cakes I have going , I'll take pictures tomorrow or the day after, and hopefully you guys can tell me if they're doing okay/even worth keeping. If some do turn out okay, is it okay to put two different strains in the same fruiting chamber?
Thanks dudes. PC
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23770954 - 10/25/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:09 PM)
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23770968 - 10/25/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Will do, I have one right now but going to use it as my SGFC. Actually I guess I could just make a SAB out of it and buy another later on when they're ready to fruit . If an SAB will help keep inoculations even more contaminate free then fuck yeah I'm making one thanks for the idea.
Oh yeah one more thing amiido. Assuming some of my PE cakes make it contaminate free, do you think I should put the cakes back in the jar, use coir and top fruit it like you said you were doing with yours? Or go with the SGFC method?
I trust your judgement because you have a ton more experience than I do with mush. I'm knowledgeable when it comes to growing good ol'marijane, but not shrooms. I just want to take the best route possible with these cakes after hearing/reading up on all the negative things about PE spores.
Thanks PC
Edited by patcorr_2001 (10/25/16 06:39 PM)
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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
#23772502 - 10/26/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 12:09 PM)
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