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dagmo
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Please help with ID
#23764872 - 10/23/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was walking in the woods today looking for oysters - I found a bunch! I had decided it was time to head back as the sun was setting and I was quite far out. I saw tons of galerina, mycena, gymnopus, honey mushrooms and then stumbled on these...this area had flooded about 2 years ago. These were either growing directly out of wood or the ground. In the process of spore printing. All have a pellicle. The smell was strong like cucumbers or watermelon rind. Stipes are hollow and some of them are pretty beefy.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: dagmo]
#23764888 - 10/23/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They look a lot like Hypholoma or Psilocybe, but Deconica is also possible.
No blue staining at all?
Dark purple brown spore print I am assuming....
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Does hypholoma have a pellicle? Does Deconica grow in Northeast Ohio on wood?
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: dagmo]
#23764924 - 10/23/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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dagmo said: Does hypholoma have a pellicle? Does Deconica grow in Northeast Ohio on wood?
Deconica used to be considered part of the psilocybe genus, the only distinguishing difference between Deconica and Psilocybe is that Deconica are inactive/non-bluing, so like many kinds of Psilocybe it could grow on wood
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: dagmo]
#23764953 - 10/23/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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dagmo said: Does hypholoma have a pellicle? Does Deconica grow in Northeast Ohio on wood?
Sometimes & Sometimes.
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: oxygen]
#23764956 - 10/23/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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oxygen said: the only distinguishing difference between Deconica and Psilocybe is that Deconica are inactive/non-bluing, so like many kinds of Psilocybe it could grow on wood 
They also look kind of different, Deconicas are usually smaller and have a very even Deconica look to the gills. They lack the cucumber flavor of Psilocybe and instead taste like Panaeolus.
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Some of the larger caps are somewhat wavy and approx 1.5 inches
Edited by dagmo (10/23/16 06:59 PM)
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: dagmo]
#23765019 - 10/23/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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How about Hypholoma capnoides?
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Gills are wrong. Going to upload more photos. Washed them when I got home as there were lots of leaves stuck to the caps.
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: dagmo]
#23765101 - 10/23/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The gills look pretty good for Hypholoma capnoides. The fact that they didn't blue or break up during washing also points in te direction of Hypholoma.
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I have seen a lot of capnoides in my woods. These do not look like capnoides in person. Smell is completely different as well. Almost think some kind of psilocybe...caerulipes, quebecensis...who knows...these were about 50 yards from a river. Mixed hardwoods. Buried wood from flooding and direct from decaying logs.
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Alan Rockefeller said: The gills look pretty good for Hypholoma capnoides. The fact that they didn't blue or break up during washing also points in te direction of Hypholoma.
I really disagree with it being Hypholoma. I love H. capnoides and I pride myself in understanding its macro morphology.
I dont think its Deconica either
I think its a Hebeloma, something like to Hebeloma birrus
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: Joust]
#23765251 - 10/23/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not right for that either. No pellicle on hebeloma. Reminds me of cyanescesns a bit.
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: dagmo]
#23765278 - 10/23/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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dagmo said: Not right for that either. No pellicle on hebeloma. Reminds me of cyanescesns a bit.

many basidiomycota have pellicles, its just that some Psilocybe species have a gelatinous pellicle.
the pellicle is just the outermost layer of the mushroom cap.
I guarantee you they are not a Psilocybe species.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Re: Please help with ID [Re: Joust]
#23765954 - 10/24/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess I am mixed up as to the definition of a pellicle. I had always thought that a gelatinous pellicle that is stretchy and gummy was THE pellicle. So there is more than one kind? These little buggers had me convinced I had found a psilocybe based on location, gelatinous pellicle, smell, etc...Also, I have not been able to find any information on hebeloma birrus, just this pic which does not match macroscopically.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hebeloma&client=tablet-android-google&hl=en-US&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq2cKPwfLPAhUEbj4KHdKqBQUQ_AUIBygB&biw=1280&bih=752#hl=en-US&tbm=isch&q=hebeloma+birrus&imgrc=uS-GT_PoxTAIuM%3A
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