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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23769514 - 10/25/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That was one fucked up episode. Definitely not my guesses at all. Im quite surprized.

So sad, one of the worst, sadest episodes. But the videography and the story. It was unreal. Very artistic. Loved it. Patlal would have been proud.

The actor for Rick said the episode was so traumatic for him, he went home after shooting it and slept for a whole week. Thats some hardcore shit.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23769869 - 10/25/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Very autistic. Patlal would have been proud.




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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23769881 - 10/25/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ah, come on.

Thats more fucked up than the Season Premire! :lol:


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    #23769924 - 10/25/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: Sanguin3] * 1
    #23769945 - 10/25/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why can't people appreciate a piece of media in any format that elicits true emotions?
Is your girlfriend only able to tune into things that don't stimulate any thought or emotion?
An artist's intent is to create a true emotional response in the viewer, whether it's TV, sculpture, painting, drawing, etc.  It's truly rare that a TV episode can elicit a true emotion in the viewer when 99.9% of TV is mindless trash designed to pacify an active mind that wants to shut off for a while, so when they do cause true emotions in the viewer, it should be held in high regard.


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    #23769980 - 10/25/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23770023 - 10/25/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think maybe some people too invested in the characters and when they see them die, its a horrible, terrible feeling like u "lost" someone special to you.

Pretty shitty emotion, but i will agree, i love TV that gives me various feelz.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23770066 - 10/25/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Negan put Rick into an Abraham-Isaac situation, except he only told Rick to cut off Coral's arm instead of kill him. Therefore God is worse than Negan.

Also lol at you guys acting like The Walking Dead is some artistic show. It's straight up melodrama. Also, the main purpose of art is not to evoke emotions. Anyone can make someone sad.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23770738 - 10/25/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Negan put Rick into an Abraham-Isaac situation, except he only told Rick to cut off Coral's arm instead of kill him. Therefore God is worse than Negan.

Also lol at you guys acting like The Walking Dead is some artistic show. It's straight up melodrama. Also, the main purpose of art is not to evoke emotions. Anyone can make someone sad.



I think the main purpose of art is to evoke emotion!


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23770766 - 10/25/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nah. Evoking emotion is easy; it takes very little skill. Engaging the intellect is much harder. Saying something relevant to the human condition with depth and originality is much harder. Those are the main purposes of art. Evoking emotion is secondary and will come along with engaging the intellect if the art is done well.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23770775 - 10/25/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Nah. Evoking emotion is easy; it takes very little skill. Engaging the intellect is much harder. Saying something relevant to the human condition with depth and originality is much harder. Those are main purposes of art. Evoking emotion is secondary and will come along with engaging the intellect if the art is done well.




I would argue they are both equally easy, you don't have to be a genius to engage a geniuses intellect.

But they are both arts and it takes skill to do either in a truly meaningful thought provoking way.

Anyone can make you think or feel but only an artist can make you think and feel such complex emotions and ideas that you never would have experienced on your own.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23770811 - 10/25/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They are not both equally easy as evidenced by the fact that a straight melodrama like The Walking Dead can make people sad. However, the show does not have anything of depth to say about anything.

Art is about how the thing is done as much as about what is said through the art. You can evoke emotion as well as you want, but if that's all there is, it won't hold a candle to a work that has something of depth to say and says it well.

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But they are both arts and it takes skill to do either in a truly meaningful thought provoking way.




You say it yourself right here by using the term 'thought provoking' when talking about emotion in art. Provoking thought is greater than evoking brute feeling.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23770895 - 10/25/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This was an epic episode, the saga continues!


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23771177 - 10/25/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They are not both equally easy as evidenced by the fact that a straight melodrama like The Walking Dead can make people sad. However, the show does not have anything of depth to say about anything.

Art is about how the thing is done as much as about what is said through the art. You can evoke emotion as well as you want, but if that's all there is, it won't hold a candle to a work that has something of depth to say and says it well.

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But they are both arts and it takes skill to do either in a truly meaningful thought provoking way.




You say it yourself right here by using the term 'thought provoking' when talking about emotion in art. Provoking thought is greater than evoking brute feeling.





really.  this show doesn't have anything to say about the human condition?  it has got me thinking a lot over the last few years about things I never really thought about.  to say the show doesn't invoke intellect but only emotion.  that only speaks to your intellect


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23771269 - 10/25/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You say it yourself right here by using the term 'thought provoking' when talking about emotion in art. Provoking thought is greater than evoking brute feeling.




Dadaists and "avante garde" try-hards ran the Classical music scene into the ground, the same could be said about Jazz in the mid 70s. Both genres were pretty popular when they were actually enjoyable to produce or listen to, despite the endless trends of folk/pop music.

The logical analytical mind is shallow and can only achieve so much depth, our "brute feelings" are an illimitable ocean of subtle variations and complexity.

Take a look at the political forum for an example of the limitations of logic, people saying the same shit over and over again, nothing is achieved. There are no new philosophies, only regurgitations of old ideas in a new cultural context.

Poetry can be thought provoking, but when a "poet" tries to deliver a message the well quickly runs dry, I'll take the insights of Zen and Persian poetry over the nauseating rambling of contemporary logic-driven "poets".

There is room for literal intention within art, but I would say it has to take the back seat to the emotional aspects, otherwise the product is never worth the time.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23771331 - 10/25/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Music is the one art form that is necessarily more about emotion than intellect. That's why it is a lesser art form then language based forms. It's much easier to move someone emotionally with music than to write a great poem or novel that can provoke thoughts as well as move emotionally.

There is a difference between delivering a message or espousing a philosophy through art and having something deep to say. Art that is about sloganeering isn't deep art. Great art has something worthwhile to say and says it in an original way. Your so called dadaists, avant-garde try hards, and their ilk (e.g., postmodernists) don't actually have anything deep to say, they just think they do. Pretension can kill art just as fast as manipulative appeals to emotion.


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: trscstghst]
    #23771343 - 10/25/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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really.  this show doesn't have anything to say about the human condition?  it has got me thinking a lot over the last few years about things I never really thought about.  to say the show doesn't invoke intellect but only emotion.  that only speaks to your intellect




It has nothing deep nor original to say. Basically it says that if the world goes to shit, the vast majority of people will convert to being complete pieces of shit. There is no problem with this per se, but the art has to be done well in order to be good, much less great. The Walking Dead is a melodrama and ridiculous. It's not well done art.


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    #23771426 - 10/25/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

please give an example of what you would call great art


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Re: Who is dying on the walking dead tonight?!? [Re: trscstghst]
    #23771441 - 10/25/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

2001: a Space Odyssey.


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    #23771659 - 10/25/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Music is the one art form that is necessarily more about emotion than intellect. That's why it is a lesser art form then language based forms. It's much easier to move someone emotionally with music than to write a great poem or novel that can provoke thoughts as well as move emotionally.




We'll have to settle at disagreement there  :shrug: I think we've both made our positions clear
I consider music to be the highest art form unequivocally.


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There is a difference between delivering a message or espousing a philosophy through art and having something deep to say. Art that is about sloganeering isn't deep art. Great art has something worthwhile to say and says it in an original way. Your so called dadaists, avant-garde try hards, and their ilk (e.g., postmodernists) don't actually have anything deep to say, they just think they do. Pretension can kill art just as fast as manipulative appeals to emotion.




I agree that the Dadaists, "avant-garde" and postmodernists were pretentious and had nothing to say, there are always subpar artists but they had a particularly loud voice in the 20th century. We're also in agreement that the Walking Dead is melodrama, and cheap sensationalism is cheap.

There are many great pieces of various art forms which do have a message of some sort, my disagreement has been in the balance between emotion and any literal message (less being more for the latter).


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