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Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind
    #23710373 - 10/05/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This thread is related to another thread here.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23535823

There is huge substance to this issue, and part of it is contained in the other thread.  There is no point in reproducing it here.

The site linked below, despite its having some fringe conspiracies information etc. is a quality site I've found coming up with relevant information on numerous subjects.  A friend reminded me of the "Wetiko virus", for lack of a better term, the word "virus" is used although with things potentially of the collective unconscious (not confirmed as existent) because it performs like a virus if these concepts are real.

I link to this site here, and quote to comment upon points of it in this thread.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17a.htm

Quote:

"In the book Columbus and other Cannibals, indigenous author Jack D. Forbes lucidly explores a psychological disease that has been informing human self-destructive behavior that Native American people have known about for years."




I know the Indigenous American people better than anyone with regard to their uses of the unconscious mind and respect very much their perceptions.  This thread is hopefully something that will bring their ancient observations into a modern light of science, medicine and psychology.

Quote:

"This makes survival for many poor farmers impossible, which has triggered a wave of suicides among farmers, as Monsanto grows richer from the process.

Forbes writes,
"The overriding characteristic of the wetiko is that he consumes other human beings, that is, he is a predator and a cannibal. This is the central essence of the disease." [ix]




Predators, "full-blown" wetikos are not in touch with their own humanity, and therefore can't see the humanity in others.

Quote:

"Our collective psychosis is invisible to us, as it expresses itself both in the very way we are looking, as well as all of the unspoken ways we have been conditioned not to perceive. Due to its cloak of invisibility, we don't see our madness, a psychic blindness which makes us complicit in the creation of our madness."




My theory is compatible with these perspectives.  It is based in the assumption that our unconscious mind at or below the reptilian level, the hypothalamus, is primarily comprised of genes that are of insect origin.  The "hive", the collective behavior of insects originates with this insect brain function.

The assumption is that two primary instincts, memory and sex, are actually from our insect origins and are the foundations of our psyche in its unconscious existence.  The primary function of memory is to remember threats that might cause destruction of the self, and sex which causes reproduction of the self in another generation.  It is logical to assume these two prime instinctual functions originate with insect genes.

It is accepted biological science that insects were the first ambulatory life forms on the planet.  From those forms came the more advanced reptile, then avian forms, closely followed by mammals.

Is there a reason those original genes are still not with us and asserting their original roles in control of our minds?  No, they are still with us operating, producing brain and other cells.  In the case of brain cells, a great deal of our unconscious mental operations are easily controlled by the cells produced by those genes.

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"Many of us can't fathom the level of evil to which full-blown wetikos have fallen prey, and of which they are capable. Our lack of imagination of the evil existing in potential in humanity is a direct reflection of a lack of intimacy with our own potential evil, which enables the malevolence of wetiko to have nearly free rein in our world"




Essentially the church of rome worked to end all humanities conscious uses of the unconscious mind.  There was a trance state that was used consciously in the "Old WOrld" societies.  Their knowledge base was "oral histories", far more that the academically controlled concept of oral histories that we can learn about.  A trance to the depth of somnambulism was compulsively used to enable survival.  That trance, is documented as having an inherent element of hyper amnesia.  Meaning that those effect by it, after awakening to a conscious waking state, have no recall of events in that state.

The meaningful exception is that when any threat to lie appears consciously, the unconscious immediately releases the information to the conscious mind to act and preserve life.

Again.

Quote:

"Many of us can't fathom the level of evil to which full-blown wetikos have fallen prey, and of which they are capable. Our lack of imagination of the evil existing in potential in humanity is a direct reflection of a lack of intimacy with our own potential evil, which enables the malevolence of wetiko to have nearly free rein in our world"




Our lack of intimacy relating to unconscious communications that used to occur with our Celtic, Norse etc. shamans, essentially means never experiencing the transition and its effect upon conscious traveling into the deep trance state that can make the Wetiko association visible to our conscious mind.  Accordingly, the church, which could easily be the prime carrier of the virus, judging by actions/behaviors, used fear to make populations susceptible, and proceeded to remove the use of that trance state in human societies that exposed, hypothetically, the Wetiko.

The major method of the Wetiko masking itself for its takeover can fit this description.

Quote:

"The personality then self-organizes an outer display of coherence around this pathogenic core, which "masks" the inner dysfunction, making it hard to recognize. In a psychic coup d'etat, the wetiko bug can usurp and displace the person, who becomes its puppet and marionette. Like a parasite, the Wetiko virus can take over the will of an animal more evolved than itself, enlisting that creature into serving its nefarious agenda."




By falsely invoking primordial fear instincts of social origin, the Wetiko "self-organizes an outer display of coherence around this pathogenic core, which "masks" the inner dysfunction, making it hard to recognize."  Because it primarily exists in a sub hypothalamus, it supersedes any mammalian, cognitive awareness.  Its not even right brain!  Egyptians knew of it.



Theoretically, once the parasite becomes sufficiently entrenched within the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person's behavior comes from the disease, as it is now the one calling the shots.

This is how MKultra, bluebird, clear eyes, monarch victims perform as they suicide.

Quote:

"Just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, someone taken over by the Wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease."




Methamphetimine addiction could be a chemical path to total dominance by Wetiko psychology that is physiologically reinforced with addictions.  The above is pretty much exactly how meth addicts think as well as sociopaths that have authority in our society.

Quote:

"When we buy into group-think and are enlisted as a member of the herd, we become like sheep that are being led over the edge of a cliff, or cattle that are being raised to be slaughtered."

Don Juan continues,
"The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind." [xvi]
It is as if these predators are in competition with us for a "share" of our own mind."




Don Juan could be touching on the collective unconscious and the what he considers a fact, that the Wetiko is automatically an entity of the unconscious collective.  Therefore, with the slightest exposure in media, the collective consciousness, a person infected with the Wetiko can find instant fame amongst not just the others infected, but ordinary people not yet infected.  This enables their potential infection.

Quote:

"This predator, Don Juan continues,
"fears that any moment its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied." [xvii]"




The action of those infected is to make effort to immediately destroy any who may expose it and supress them to a degree below any threat level.  We see this in the courts and the church with my legal actions to compel mental health care that addresses the unconscious mind directly.  (http://algoxy.com/law)  The courts deny justice which would impose sharing of the means that could effect exposure, and the church condems it, which socially precludes anyone partaking socially, from listening.

Quote:

"Don Juan continues,
"Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them [the predators]." [xviii]"




With the above we see the logic of the Wetiko default strategy of using sex and memory to control people.  Secret societies do this extensively.  Politicians are well known to have many issues with sex and that those issues are widely used to blackmail them.  Something, coincidentally very convenient for the Wetiko.


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: ChristopherABrown] * 1
    #23712988 - 10/06/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It reminds of morphic resonance fields, and that with self effort we can control the mind and affect the fields, and expel negative influence from within or without.


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: syncro]
    #23713827 - 10/06/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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syncro said:
It reminds of morphic resonance fields, and that with self effort we can control the mind and affect the fields, and expel negative influence from within or without.




I'm familiar with Rupert Sheldrake for about 17 years now.  He used to speak of morphogenetic fields related to dream state sharing, as in the the Hundredth Monkey.  He hasn't for awhile.  Now he speaks of morphic resonance which he defines as the organizational intelligence behind the assemblage of genes that represent life forms.

Because the life form is present, the resonance of its organization is present in the ether.  When matching genes that are together, ready to be a life form are present, the resonant field begins connecting the cells from the genes into a recognizable life form.

The Wetiko is another concept, more like a viral infection of a species collective unconscious existence.  It overtakes normal conscious waking state priorities and decisions with decisions that are self destructive, and destructive to the species.

My theory is that we have some genes that originate with our insect origins.  They make brain cells that are capable of opposing the organisms natural instincts of survival.  If a person with an adequate number of those comes in contact with the Wetiko information/virus, the Wetiko can overcome their human/mammalian instincts of survival and concern for their species and other species over the level of an insect.  The Wetiko is a form of intelligence that originate with insect brain development.

It is logical that insects could develop into a semi humanoid form, but not a human brain with its normal emotional capacity or memory.  It's likely that human memory is a construct of millions or even billion of types of memory that insects have known, but were assimilated, easily, into reptilian, then mammalian brains.  That theory extended would indicate that the alien grays, if they exist, are that advanced insect form.  Notice when they are depicted, they look blank.  They are doing nothing.  They are loosing their capacity because their memories no longer function enough to recall nervous motor control except for in collective ways.  Similar to how insects act in a rival manner.

Because humans no longer work directly with the unconscious mind in their society, we have developed a massive vulnerability to the Wetiko and its' over taking us. 

The Indigenous American people worked extensively with the unconscious mind.  Their entire society was organized with it.  Accordingly, when they encountered information in the mind of a person who was sociopathic or psychopathic, they realized that something was fundamentally wrong and developed an understanding that they labeled "Wetiko".


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You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want.

People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23714467 - 10/06/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Captivating subject. I will be reading more from your links. 

Admittedly I am not very familiar with Sheldrake; I watched a lecture of his recently and was attracted to the vocabulary. I believe I adopted the term more in referring to work with mantra, yoga in general, its power in working with prana and mind.


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: syncro]
    #23716411 - 10/07/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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syncro said:
Captivating subject. I will be reading more from your links. 

Admittedly I am not very familiar with Sheldrake; I watched a lecture of his recently and was attracted to the vocabulary. I believe I adopted the term more in referring to work with mantra, yoga in general, its power in working with prana and mind.




Certainly yoga with its effect on prana and mind can have an effect on both morphogenetic fields and morphic resonance.

I would suggest becoming familiar with epigenetics.  Over time, your mental state can fairly radically change the type brain cells you are producing.  If you do yoga and meditation regularly you are in a good position to alter the mental conditions you exist in, which will eventually change the cells produced.

Wetiko has altered peoples cell production through epigenetics by changing the mental conditions they experience.  Which helps explain why people in our world are see in a de evolution in so many ways.


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You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want.

People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23726544 - 10/10/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Drug abuse to recent extent could be seen as an exploitation of the wetiko.  Starting with the drug culture Heroin, creating addictions with supply and media influences, then exploiting the wetiko existence of many to effect a form of population  control.  It is gaining epidemic proportions with many negative impacts on society.

Desperate greed exploiting desperate addiction and death , have arrived.  Is this wetiko?

The most comprehensive view of wetiko is perhaps in the perspective upon a gene set which humans carry but is not a working part of their survival and evolution.  It is responsible for problematic behaviors if the genes function is invoked epigenetically into activity.

Considering the "Hundredth Monkey" effect or its potentials as a way to partially communicate the wetiko virus into daily destruction, epigenetically, call for recognition and interaction with the human bodies genetic cell production with drastic mental states from drugs; it appears as a second level of submission to the wetiko. The profiteers behind the drug business act in another level of wetiko.  Exploting others for gain enabling indulgence.  Accordingly the "memes" of modern filmic production could ignite shared indulgence in the temporary rewards that giving into the virus might have if coupled with an instinctually deeply based function and corresponding cells.



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You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want.

People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23738355 - 10/14/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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People that do not want what they need, have a problem.

Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23756143 - 10/20/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The descriptions of wetiko are many.

https://unsettlingamerica.wordpress.com/tag/wetiko/

Modern perspectives on behaviors are seeking comprehensive explanation now that the spectacle is getting widespread in many forms.


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23756169 - 10/20/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting thread :thumbup:

I was introduced to the concept via the writings of Philip K. Dick. Check here for the article specifically: http://www.awakeninthedream.com/enlightened-madness-of-philip-k-dick/


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23763101 - 10/23/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

people are sooooooooooooooo ...something something something.


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Re: Ancient Concept Of Indigenous People, "Wetiko" Virus Of The Collective Unconscious Mind [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #23763759 - 10/23/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Interesting thread :thumbup:

I was introduced to the concept via the writings of Philip K. Dick. Check here for the article specifically: http://www.awakeninthedream.com/enlightened-madness-of-philip-k-dick/




Yea,  right on.  PKD had gained a perspective that was very clear on something few ever detect.  The author of the page at your link wrote this as they understood.

"”[30] Just as a vampire loses its power in the light of day, wetiko/BIP has no power in the light of conscious awareness."

Accordingly the challenge is to make aspects of wetiko conscious.  PKD was one of my favorite authors for the reason he wrote about our mental existence.


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