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You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? * 1
    #23762085 - 10/22/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They've been such a part of existence for me since I first discovered them at 14, but man, after absolute moments of connection whilst absolutely sober, I sometimes find myself asking 'could I ever live without them; in fact, would that be a healthier way to live?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762100 - 10/22/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well, now you put it like that... where's the fucking party at??!?!??


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762123 - 10/22/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I hear ya man. But I've lived with monks, and found (rarely IME) that refraining from any indulgence seems to grant a wisdom which is unmatched.

I sometimes wonder if it's a more noble path..


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762149 - 10/22/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

probably it wouldn't be that different, I mean I think it'd be less interesting but I only do psychedelics a few times a year, so the one big change would be no weed (which I smoke most evenings). Other than that I don't mess with drugs so it wouldn't be a huge deal I think


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23762153 - 10/22/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I sometimes wonder if it's a more noble path..




Screw nobility IMO. Drugs have helped me achieve insanely unrealistic professional goals which everyone around me thought were crazy. I can't imagine I would change much if I got a do-over.

My point being, my life is awesome with drugs and there's no reason to stop any time soon :shrug:.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: falsereality] * 1
    #23762236 - 10/22/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I'm mostly sober now. Life is more or less the same, I just dont get high anymore :shrug:

By mostly sober, I mean no drugs since may except poppy seed tea (I used it 4 days in a row about two weeks ago). Other then that little PST binge, nothing.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: xbloodwhipx] * 1
    #23762245 - 10/22/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, I'm mostly sober now. Life is more or less the same, I just dont get high anymore :shrug:



Yeah you don't make it sound that great.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762260 - 10/22/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because its not. Life sucks regardless :lol:


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #23762269 - 10/22/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ah mate, life is a hard slog for every one of us. But as deliverance said earlier, we gotta work to try and find that 'sweet spot'.

Is your sobriety chosen or enforced?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762283 - 10/22/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Chosen. I've been doing drugs pretty regularly for the past 5ish years, and just decided to stop for awhile. Plus I have depersonalization, and figured soberiety may help me get back to normal. So far I'm feeling a lot better in that aspect.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #23762290 - 10/22/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Because its not. Life sucks regardless :lol:




I don't know man... there are parts of life that really suck regardless of who you are, but if you work your ass off and play your cards right you can come out on top and live a pretty comfortable existence.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: falsereality]
    #23762300 - 10/22/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So far I'm feeling a lot better in that aspect.



I'm fucking glad to hear that man. Keep fighting the good fight.

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live a pretty comfortable existence.



Mate, it's about the best we can hope for huh?


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762309 - 10/22/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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xbloodwhipx said:
So far I'm feeling a lot better in that aspect.



I'm fucking glad to hear that man. Keep fighting the good fight.

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live a pretty comfortable existence.



Mate, it's about the best we can hope for huh?



Thanks, its really cool to feel myself become myself again. Kinda like im re entering reality. It was so bad in may when I quit drugs I was considering suicide. Mostly because I'd been DP'ed for about 3 1/2-4 years. Its for sure cool to slowly reconnect with everything.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #23762322 - 10/22/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If I had stopped doing drugs after 18 my life probably would have been amazing and my life still is good it's just people bring me down all the time so I am usually isolated


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23762414 - 10/22/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I can totally stop doing drugs, I just need to eat enough LSD to last me forever.

But really though, life without drugs would be crazy. I'd wake up and not get high. Then I'd get dressed and not get high, make breakfast and not get high. Go to work and not get high. Come home and eat, not get high, fuck my wife,  not get high, and then go to bed, then I'd do it over again every day.

When people don't do drugs they end up weird.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23762416 - 10/22/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ram Dass gave a buddhist monk in India some LSD and the next morning when he asked the monk how it was he said "it's good, but not as good as meditation".

An inner experience is priceless, incomparable. You can have one sober, you can have one on drugs, it doesn't matter. My point is, no matter how you change your consciousness, it's the inner experience that really counts.

Sometimes life is just simpler without drugs, and simplicity leads to a richness of experience. It's fun to weave a tapestry of 'signs' to keep life trippy even without psychedelics.

Just saying, there's no need to put drugs on a pedestal by thinking that life is inherently better by taking them.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23762421 - 10/22/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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When people don't do drugs they end up weird.



I agree with your whole post, but this bit especially.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23762430 - 10/22/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ram Dass gave a buddhist monk in India some LSD and the next morning when he asked the monk how it was he said "it's good, but not as good as meditation".




I've heard that monk actually didn't take the lsd.
I don't buy the meditation crowd's rhetoric, I mean sure you can do cool things with it, even go places with enough time and the right conditions, but to me the fact that solid information on this is incredibly hard to find always implies to me it's just cult rhetoric at work.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23762437 - 10/22/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Just saying, there's no need to put drugs on a pedestal by thinking that life is inherently better by taking them.



Or perhaps thinking that life would be inherently be better by not taking them?

I agree, the connection comes from within. But it for me, it takes hours of concentration sober, or eating a psychedelic to achieve.

Perhaps that path is one of laziness?


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762440 - 10/22/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't buy the meditation crowd's rhetoric



Gotta disagree with you there Ez. First time I ever felt true, sober connection, for a fraction of a second, I realised that it is the ultimate state of existence.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23762453 - 10/22/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

well, when I say I don't buy their rhetoric, I don't mean that basic stuff. There's a lot of science proving meditation's efficacy. What I disagree with is when people argue meditation does what something like DMT does. I may be wrong but I've never heard anyone talk about their meditation in any way that sounded like a peak psychedelic experience.
as far as lasting life benefit, meditation is superior I'm sure, partly just because people do it more frequently than they trip though, I'd imagine.

I admit though I don't meditate seriously so this is just judging from reading experiences, not my own experience. And I don't have 20 years to spend on a mountain so I'll likely never know sadly


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #23762455 - 10/22/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ram Dass gave a buddhist monk in India some LSD and the next morning when he asked the monk how it was he said "it's good, but not as good as meditation".




I've heard that monk actually didn't take the lsd.
I don't buy the meditation crowd's rhetoric, I mean sure you can do cool things with it, even go places with enough time and the right conditions, but to me the fact that solid information on this is incredibly hard to find always implies to me it's just cult rhetoric at work.





I just spent two months backpacking in New Zealand and stayed at a zen commune where a I met a man named John who was 70 and claimed to spend 10+ hours of the day in meditation. He said he had been doing this for 40+ years,

Everyone there was into meditating for very long periods of time and done vispassana meditation, where you meditate for 14 days and don't talk at all.

John was a very strange man and for someone that you would expect to be sort of a guru, he was actually sort of a crotchety old man. The amount of time he spent meditating really ate away at his ability to interact with humans effectively. He was very awkward. It made me wonder what about his meditation was so good that he wanted to do it for 10 hours a day.

Other people at this commune believed things like that if you meditate long enough you can breathe underwater or go entirely without food and just live off of sunlight.

One of the people there though looked a solid 20 years younger than his age. I was amazed when I found out how old he was. I had been treating him like a little brother and I found out he was almost as old as my dad! He said he attributed it all to meditation and being vegetarian since birth.

He was a cool cat. I gave him some acid. I'm sure it improved his meditation.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23762461 - 10/22/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wish I knew zen types to hang out with and observe. I'm always convinced everyone's a poser though, cynic that I am.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762465 - 10/22/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I may be wrong but I've never heard anyone talk about their meditation in any way that sounded like a peak psychedelic experience.



Allow me to prove you wrong; the peak states I've achieved in meditation surpass any peak psychedelic experience I've ever had. And I've got a few +4's (Shulgin scale) under my belt.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762472 - 10/22/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

well that's encouraging
:ooo:

I seriously don't think I could go there though, I don't have the discipline for psychedelics let alone years of meditation I'm sure.

although psychedelics are also less cool for me than others it seems, as I almost never have visuals even when others on the same dose next to me see faces and beings everywhere, and there I am just obsessively thinking about historical progression of class warfare while trying to suppress nausea and rising anxiety lol


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762475 - 10/22/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I used to do a lot of meditation and it didn't do anything for me, retrospectively, I would always fall asleep in the middle of it and wake upan hour later, so I guess it was good for getting sleep. :lol: I got taught really special too on how to meditate so I feel like I was doing it legit. On the other hand, psychedelic drugs have changed my personality, outlook on life, values, and so many things about me, plus I have made major life decisions on them which have always turned out amazingly well. :shrug:


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23762483 - 10/22/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I will say I can meditate to a stoned state easily, and its an enjoyable pastime at that low level, but I doubt I'd ever reach those heights of vision and encounters with entities through meditation


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762496 - 10/22/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's taken me 8 years of commitment to meditation practice, so I's no easy path. The potential rewards though.. man, you can't even begin to imagine them until you start to reap them.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762500 - 10/22/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol I've tripped with people before and heard the same fantastical hallucinations from them and I'd be pissed cause I never got that, just a mindfuck. But I've realized they were likely exaggerating which would fit my other experiences on drugs with them. :lol: I get really weak visuals on shrooms, even at high doses with ego death, very little to speak of. It's only when I combine mdma with a psychedelic or cactus that i get phenomenal vision like hallucinations, being able to immerse myself in other worlds. :thumbup:


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23762504 - 10/22/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)


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Just saying, there's no need to put drugs on a pedestal by thinking that life is inherently better by taking them.



Or perhaps thinking that life would be inherently be better by not taking them?

I agree, the connection comes from within. But it for me, it takes hours of concentration sober, or eating a psychedelic to achieve.

Perhaps that path is one of laziness?




Well it also takes courage. Psychedelics are fucking intense, even if it's something you're used to, IME.

But for sure, that definitely needs to be said too and I agree, life is not inherently better by abstaining from drugs, either. It's all a matter of perspective.


I wasn't even necessarily referring to meditation, but more so inner awakening, having an experience of reality beyond the senses in which pure consciousness takes precedence over the awareness of sensations.

You don't have to sit on a mountain for twenty years or meditate for 10 hours a day, but anything you can experience on a psychedelic is possible without one, too, simply because these experiences are, ultimately, occurring within our selves.




And to add in with my own experiences to relate to what JSB was saying about peak meditation experiences, I'm recalling a single experience of meditation which was breathtaking beyond anything I ever could have imagined, and is very much so similar to my psychedelic experiences in terms of personal meaning and growth, but, honestly, it feels more profound. I can only relate it to you now through the narrow scope of my waking consciousness, and won't bother trying to describe it, but hopefully my words can do something to relate to you the impact that it had on my life, it's something I am eternally grateful for. It's not something that I would expect everyone to have experienced, though I wish they could. I want to share the feeling I had and can sometimes tap into with as many people as possible.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762505 - 10/22/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's taken me 8 years of commitment to meditation practice, so I's no easy path. The potential rewards though.. man, you can't even begin to imagine them until you start to reap them.



Like what rewards?


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762507 - 10/22/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's taken me 8 years of commitment to meditation practice, so I's no easy path. The potential rewards though.. man, you can't even begin to imagine them until you start to reap them.




alas, if only. Ya I can't commit to 8 years of anything much less meditation. I can't even commit to an exercise regime for more than a couple of months, too lazy. Ah well it won't make a difference when I die I suppose :strokebeard:


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 1
    #23762512 - 10/22/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol I've tripped with people before and heard the same fantastical hallucinations from them and I'd be pissed cause I never got that, just a mindfuck. But I've realized they were likely exaggerating which would fit my other experiences on drugs with them. :lol: I get really weak visuals on shrooms, even at high doses with ego death, very little to speak of. It's only when I combine mdma with a psychedelic or cactus that i get phenomenal vision like hallucinations, being able to immerse myself in other worlds. :thumbup:



So then, you must realise, that it affects us all differently?

I mean deep down, are we not all seeking the same thing? That being; connection.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23762516 - 10/22/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol I've tripped with people before and heard the same fantastical hallucinations from them and I'd be pissed cause I never got that, just a mindfuck. But I've realized they were likely exaggerating which would fit my other experiences on drugs with them. :lol: I get really weak visuals on shrooms, even at high doses with ego death, very little to speak of. It's only when I combine mdma with a psychedelic or cactus that i get phenomenal vision like hallucinations, being able to immerse myself in other worlds. :thumbup:




maybe we're just hard-headed reality bound types, I seriously never get really inebriated, even heavily drunk, stoned out of my mind, 4g of shrooms, three tabs of acid, and I'm still analytical and practical, anticipating threats and shit all the time god its annoying. My buddy will be lying there in lysergic bliss la-di-da-di-da while I anxiously listen for approaching feet, lest a stray hiker fall upon us and we must flee  :stonedmelt:

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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23762517 - 10/22/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's taken me 8 years of commitment to meditation practice, so I's no easy path. The potential rewards though.. man, you can't even begin to imagine them until you start to reap them.



Like what rewards?



The fact that you ask that question renders you unfit for whatever answer I might give.

It's a fucking lonely path, filled with pain. When you've really faced yourself, you'll know what I'm talking about.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 2
    #23762521 - 10/22/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think drugs allow us the ability to look at certain situations differently, from different view points, and often times these different view points allow us to see the light of the situation, to see our solution.

I see drugs as a way of enhancing life, and feel like psychs will make you age slower because they allow you to deal with internal issues which might cause you mentally destroy yourself, so I see drugs as enriching ones life.

It's only when drugs get into the addiction stage that they become a problem, but I think through proper community communication, we can prevent this, or at least lessen it.

Don't live only to get high, have meaningful experience which aren't drug related, this way you don't attach to much energy to your drugs, if you attach to much energy to your drugs, you will often times form unhealthy habits with them, which usually lead to addiction.

If I was with some friends and we saw each other ever day and I was dabbling in opiates, it would be wise of them to mention that I should be careful with how often I have been using, this is community in action.  You don't have to tell another to not use and come off as judgmental, just give them a kindly reminder of the outcome of such consistent use has.


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I get really weak visuals on shrooms, even at high doses with ego death, very little to speak of. It's only when I combine mdma with a psychedelic or cactus that i get phenomenal vision like hallucinations, being able to immerse myself in other worlds. :thumbup:





I have had mind blowing visuals from shrooms (woodlovers), like where everything I was seeing was massive intricate visual, almost overwhelming, just sit there and grin. 

Cacti visuals are my favorite though.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762527 - 10/22/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's a fucking lonely path, filled with pain. When you've really faced yourself, you'll know what I'm talking about.




ya see, I'd rather not. I legitimately exist only for pleasure, from my perspective, so give me enough pain and I'd rather just not be.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762535 - 10/22/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think at reasonably low doses psychedelics affect people very differently, but I hypothesize that at high doses it's all the same experience, which is beautiful in itself. In my own experience, regardless of the psychedelic I get pretty much the same experience and when I read other's experiences they could very well have been my own.

I use psychedelics to learn more about myself, a great part of which I've realized is a desire for connection with others. :thumbup:


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762542 - 10/22/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The fact that you ask that question renders you unfit for whatever answer I might give.

It's a fucking lonely path, filled with pain. When you've really faced yourself, you'll know what I'm talking about.



Your arrogant response aside, doesn't sound like you've gotten any rewards.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23762553 - 10/22/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's taken me 8 years of commitment to meditation practice, so I's no easy path. The potential rewards though.. man, you can't even begin to imagine them until you start to reap them.



Like what rewards?



The fact that you ask that question renders you unfit for whatever answer I might give.

It's a fucking lonely path, filled with pain. When you've really faced yourself, you'll know what I'm talking about.




this kind of response is usually what makes me think the meditation types aren't being 100% honest in their comparisons, not saying you aren't, but I'm highly suspicious of any 'hidden knowledge' which can't be talked about until a lengthy series of prerequisite steps are met. Unless of course you just mean how awakening can't be described in words, or something to that effect


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23762556 - 10/22/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well i've seen some of your drawings, and that says dedication, to me. It's cool to gravitate towards what we enjoy, but it takes knowing pain to understand pleasure.

I wish some of y'all would read my earlier post, but I'll just describe it more here:

meditation, psychedelics, taking a walk, remembering 'god', it's not really important how it happens, but when you have that 'aha' moment of perceiving something so real, so much more solid than anything we've known before, the ground is ripped out from underneath you, everything we've ever known feels fake in comparison, and life takes on the new colors of a world unseen.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23762559 - 10/22/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry man, I don't mean it to come across as arrogant, but it really is a path that is so unique to every one of us - for the path ventures inside yourself, taking you away from the shared experiences of your fellow man, but somehow helping you to then understand your fellow man all the better.

Hey look, I'm just words on a screen, but I'd spill my own blood to share with my fellow man that the rewards are real, and worthy of pursuit.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23762562 - 10/22/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well i've seen some of your drawings, and that says dedication, to me. It's cool to gravitate towards what we enjoy, but it takes knowing pain to understand pleasure.

I wish some of y'all would read my earlier post, but I'll just describe it more here:

meditation, psychedelics, taking a walk, remembering 'god', it's not really important how it happens, but when you have that 'aha' moment of perceiving something so real, so much more solid than anything we've known before, the ground is ripped out from underneath you, everything we've ever known feels fake in comparison, and life takes on the new colors of a world unseen.




for sure, but I find pain all too easy to come by, I don't think most people need any more of it really

ok maybe I'm being a bit stiff on my position here, as indeed just sitting in contemplation is one of my preferred pastimes, and in fact psychedelics rarely deliver the way I always think they should (maybe 1 in every 5 times)

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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762565 - 10/22/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Unless of course you just mean how awakening can't be described in words, or something to that effect



See my previous post.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23762566 - 10/22/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's not about keeping information 'secret' and making sure that you 'go through the right steps', it's simply that experiences of self-realization can not be described by language because language is inherently limited to logical structures of abstract symbolism, and realization surpasses logic through an all encompassing experience of reality.

That's like asking someone to prove the theory of relativity without mathematics.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23762570 - 10/22/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ram Dass gave a buddhist monk in India some LSD and the next morning when he asked the monk how it was he said "it's good, but not as good as meditation".




I've heard that monk actually didn't take the lsd.
I don't buy the meditation crowd's rhetoric, I mean sure you can do cool things with it, even go places with enough time and the right conditions, but to me the fact that solid information on this is incredibly hard to find always implies to me it's just cult rhetoric at work.





I just spent two months backpacking in New Zealand and stayed at a zen commune where a I met a man named John who was 70 and claimed to spend 10+ hours of the day in meditation. He said he had been doing this for 40+ years,

Everyone there was into meditating for very long periods of time and done vispassana meditation, where you meditate for 14 days and don't talk at all.

John was a very strange man and for someone that you would expect to be sort of a guru, he was actually sort of a crotchety old man. The amount of time he spent meditating really ate away at his ability to interact with humans effectively. He was very awkward. It made me wonder what about his meditation was so good that he wanted to do it for 10 hours a day.

Other people at this commune believed things like that if you meditate long enough you can breathe underwater or go entirely without food and just live off of sunlight.

One of the people there though looked a solid 20 years younger than his age. I was amazed when I found out how old he was. I had been treating him like a little brother and I found out he was almost as old as my dad! He said he attributed it all to meditation and being vegetarian since birth.

He was a cool cat. I gave him some acid. I'm sure it improved his meditation.




Haha that old guy is just mad cus he wasted his life,  but hes not going to stop now cus then what would he have? Same with ram dass' guru. Theres no way he was going to admit lsd is better than meditation. He probably wanted to ask for more but he knew that it wouldnt be very masterly of him if he did.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23762573 - 10/22/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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meditation, psychedelics, taking a walk, remembering 'god', it's not really important how it happens, but when you have that 'aha' moment of perceiving something so real, so much more solid than anything we've known before, the ground is ripped out from underneath you, everything we've ever known feels fake in comparison, and life takes on the new colors of a world unseen.



BOOM. That. Yes.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762576 - 10/22/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm sorry man, I don't mean it to come across as arrogant, but it really is a path that is so unique to every one of us - for the path ventures inside yourself, taking you away from the shared experiences of your fellow man, but somehow helping you to then understand your fellow man all the better.

Hey look, I'm just words on a screen, but I'd spill my own blood to share with my fellow man that the rewards are real, and worthy of pursuit.




ah good, nicely said

actually I really would like to get into meditation, I suppose I'm just cautious about getting my hopes up and trying to justify my lazy existence, both at once.

if this sort of meditation requires years of solitude or even months, I know it can never be obligation to earn money and all that boring shit will impede, and another cog I'll be

I have always felt though that a few months of isolation is necessary if I'm ever  to really 'go in' to contemplation in a big way, or into my art, or writing. Seems unachievable now, but perhaps I'm just limiting myself


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23762577 - 10/22/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That's like asking someone to prove the theory of relativity without mathematics.



Double Yes. There's things that happen in this life that science cannot explain.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23762584 - 10/22/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That's like asking someone to prove the theory of relativity without mathematics.



Double Yes. There's things that happen in this life that science cannot explain.




perhaps, but maybe it simply can't explain them yet.
I think I am a little close minded though, I tend to think of logic as the supreme human ability, what makes us different than animals, and what actually helps us to understand the world in any useful way. I do think though that logical, analytical thinking alone is not enough for personal fulfillment, hence my drug use.
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    #23762588 - 10/22/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Seems unachievable now, but perhaps I'm just limiting myself



Mate, the common perception of meditation and mindfulness is as pathetic as the common perception of anything in this world: it's wrong.

Start a thread in P&MW-B sometime, I'll share everything I can. Feeling pretty sleepy right now though.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762595 - 10/22/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think I am a little close minded though, I tend to think of logic as the supreme human ability, what makes us different than animals, and what actually helps us to understand the world in any useful way. I do think though that logical, analytical thinking alone is not enough for personal fulfillment, hence my drug use.



LOL, I get it man. I know that place. DMT is especially good for shattering that illusion.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762606 - 10/22/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I need to get onto DMT, the other's haven't quite delivered, and the duration and nausea gets me (I have trouble with food so trips tend to make me miserable simply due to not being able to get any food down which sets off a whole chain of non-eating that's really regrettable)

the descriptions of it always sound like what I think I want, but we'll see haha :eek:


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    #23762607 - 10/22/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think I am a little close minded though, I tend to think of logic as the supreme human ability, what makes us different than animals, and what actually helps us to understand the world in any useful way. I do think though that logical, analytical thinking alone is not enough for personal fulfillment, hence my drug use.
but my experience is one very limited fragment of an immense whole so it's quite likely many things I consider impossible or can't conceive of are commonplace even in human experience. Tis a weird world



I think i would get alont really well with you.  :yesnod:


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    #23762611 - 10/22/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:cheers: one can only hope, from your posts I think you're right though


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    #23762622 - 10/22/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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the descriptions of it always sound like what I think I want, but we'll see haha :eek:



Yeah. I've done traditional ceremonys, and I've worked at the art of smoking it (DMT machine) solo.

When you get deep into it, and it holds you in the present moment while your mind fights to escape it.. yeah, you see alright.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762631 - 10/22/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I need to get onto DMT, the other's haven't quite delivered, and the duration and nausea gets me (I have trouble with food so trips tend to make me miserable simply due to not being able to get any food down which sets off a whole chain of non-eating that's really regrettable)

the descriptions of it always sound like what I think I want, but we'll see haha :eek:




write up a trip report when you get around to it. I'm a bit of a paranoid tripper too and never tried smoking dmt because of it.


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    #23762637 - 10/22/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'll be sure too, if I don't go psychotic


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    #23762642 - 10/22/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think I am a little close minded though, I tend to think of logic as the supreme human ability, what makes us different than animals, and what actually helps us to understand the world in any useful way. I do think though that logical, analytical thinking alone is not enough for personal fulfillment, hence my drug use.
but my experience is one very limited fragment of an immense whole so it's quite likely many things I consider impossible or can't conceive of are commonplace even in human experience. Tis a weird world



I think i would get alont really well with you.  :yesnod:



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    #23762647 - 10/22/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:cantarguewiththat:


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    #23762655 - 10/22/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm a bit of a paranoid tripper too and never tried smoking dmt because of it.



Every time I smoke DMT I enter into it with a fear. It's not recreational. It's humbling. Prepare to have you ass thoroughly kicked.


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    #23762657 - 10/22/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

alright you've convinced me I don't want DMT haha

almost every time I trip I have the realization 'I hate this why do I always think I need to trip when sober, it's awful. Hopefully I'll remember next time"

lol more often than not that's what my trip 'reveals' to me :tongue:


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    #23762670 - 10/22/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

More and more as I venture into this life I realise that what we have to be is brave, and strong. My inner child rails against this. It doesn't want that fight. It sinks in its chair and puts its bottom lip out.

In a world so filled with easy distractions, I get why so many don't fight the good fight.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23762675 - 10/22/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I'm very much the child, I honestly hope my 'soul' isn't immortal most days as existence is far too tiring, and existing as a spirit forever in psychedelic-realms as the drugs sometimes imply sounds godawful


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    #23762689 - 10/22/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah I'm very much the child



I hope one day you come to realise that child is just a fraction of what makes up the truly magnificent marvel of all life that you are.

Perspective, FTW.


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762749 - 10/22/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I've passed out from panic attacks on mushrooms several times, one time at an indoor concert lol. I still go back to it tho. I like the thrill of facing my demons sometimes. but I feel like dmt has the potential to give me a heart attack if things go south. I don't want to meet any entities.


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    #23762802 - 10/22/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think I do, but admittedly the one time I did it told me to fuck off and that it wasn't the time so I guess they can be grouchy


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    #23762861 - 10/23/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Haha an entity telling me to fuck off might actually put me at ease concerning my entityphobia. I just don't want them messing with me.


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    #23762932 - 10/23/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I do think about this alot.  Not so much what life would be life without drugs as much as what I'd be like if I didn't take drugs.  My first impression is that it would be a good thing, but I'd probably just put all my focus into food, sex, and other vices.

Most of the drugs I take I don't even like that much.  They're not like I imagine, and I imagine sobriety is the same.


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    #23762934 - 10/23/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I do think about this alot.  Not so much what life would be life without drugs as much as what I'd be like if I didn't take drugs.  My first impression is that it would be a good thing, but I'd probably just put all my focus into food, sex, and other vices.

Most of the drugs I take I don't even like that much.  They're not like I imagine, and I imagine sobriety is the same.




what drugs?

I tend to psychedelics a bit disappointing usually but I don't really take any other substances


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    #23762941 - 10/23/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelics are not disappointing to me, but I never take them anymore.  I mostly just drink, smoke weed, take kratom 1x day, and shoot cocaine sometimes on the weekend.

8 weeks clean of IV heroin tomorrow.  I've taken alot of opiates.\oids.


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    #23762946 - 10/23/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ah that makes sense, alcohol and kratom always disappoint me, weed sometimes. Never tried coke but doesn't sound like my thing


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23762948 - 10/23/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Man, you boys are missing out (IMO).

These experiences make me realise what life is all about.

That thread I started, if you listen to both tracks, hit's on the ideal.

EDIT: Ez, coke is not gonna be your thing.


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    #23762950 - 10/23/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

they didn't move me :sad:


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23762956 - 10/23/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oneness. Connection. Recognising yourself as the whole, but yet a fraction of the whole.

Paradoxical as fuck - it aint easy.


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    #23762960 - 10/23/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

oh I mean I can dig that stuff, the content, but just the music wasn't my thing


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    #23762963 - 10/23/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I hear ya, it aint for all. But I feel there's an undertone to what brings us together on a drugs forum - connection.


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    #23762968 - 10/23/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, it's really what most humans long for I think


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    #23762974 - 10/23/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think humans are bipolar.  They long for human connection and peace and quiet, it is what keeps us balanced.


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    #23762989 - 10/23/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ya, not the extreme extroverts though. They're just go go go
I'm mostly just hide hide hide


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    #23762997 - 10/23/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah well I think those ones long for the peace and quiet.  Its like a routiene is really good and something I long for, but also I want adventure and to experience the unknown.


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    #23763036 - 10/23/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, now you put it like that... where's the fucking party at??!?!??




:rainingjoints:

I believe drugs are the spice of life just like making meals from around the world is what makes cooking so fun :shrug:


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23763676 - 10/23/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

jokeshop call the cops and tell them youve been doing drugs


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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23764021 - 10/23/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well I look at most people that don't do drugs and their life mostly seems to suck / is extremely monotonous and boring, and all they care about is TV, sports, and eating.

Seems kind of meeeehhhhh to me. :tongue2:

Oh and did I mention most of them seem to be completely oblivious when it comes to a vast majority of the world's affairs.





You dissing tv sports and eating?

Those are what i live for

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    #23764216 - 10/23/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd been DP'ed



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    #23764225 - 10/23/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs?





Not really. 
If life had no drugs then we'd all die a lot younger because we couldn't fight off intense infections and diseases.


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    #23765083 - 10/23/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd been DP'ed



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jk. You made a good choice. Good luck with your mental health. Drugs can definately fuck with my mind too.





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Re: You ever wonder what life would be like without drugs? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23765094 - 10/23/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

we're always on drugs... endogenous ones :laugh: i think if an honest evaluation shows that the drug use is serving you then it's good, though I think taking a break from anything for a while can be illuminating, but it really comes down to the individual and what's happening in their life :smile:


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    #23765108 - 10/23/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I have always thought weird rushes I get unexpectedly I get are way better than drugs, and drugs get in the way of them.  I would really just like to go a week without any drugs.  Maybe just coffee and kratom would be a fair compromise.


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    #23765131 - 10/23/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Woah bills back, I thought you got perma banned


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    #23765164 - 10/23/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

they let him back since he appologized for being on heroin.


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    #23765169 - 10/23/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

to bad my ex's don't think that way


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    #23765306 - 10/23/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

it is a shame.

Most ladies are done and done, ya know? No second chances, just plain done :shrug:

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it is a shame.

Most ladies are done and done, ya know? No second chances, just plain done :shrug:

But thays a discussion for another time




not just ladies, I'm not big on second chances but maybe just because I haven't screwed up in life yet. :uhoh:


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