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Fruiting Question
    #23762000 - 10/22/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Does this look like it should after six days in the SGFC? I dunked them for 12 hours but did not roll them. I can't see any pins. Am I just being impatient?


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23762044 - 10/22/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cut the foil down to a smaller size so it's not blocking the convection currents from the perlite.

Why didn't you roll?


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #23762060 - 10/22/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i was in a rush to get them into fruiting since I was going out of town. I'm also trying to keep this op on the DL from SWMBO. I don't seem to have as much moisture condensation on the walls like most photos I see. Would misting help?


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23762083 - 10/22/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's not too late to roll them. I made this mistake and they started to dry out despite a fair amnt of misting.
If they are dry, you could try what I did to rescue them - put them back in their jars and fill w/ water and recap them for 18hrs. I then removed & rolled them, carrying on as most people have on here. I think it may have saved the cakes.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: irequirechocolate]
    #23762829 - 10/22/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Is that really a shotgun chamber? I don't see holes in the walls, but I do see monotub-style polyfill on one side.

Your cakes look fuzzy. I think they may be suffocating, which is probably the case if that's a monotub filled with perlite and not an actual SGFC.

And yes, you can roll them in vermiculite any time.

Give us more pictures. One of the fruiting chamber itself, and a closer shot of the cakes too.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: freespeech]
    #23763287 - 10/23/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Those cakes need more fresh air.  I would redunk and roll in fine verm, it'll help immensely.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Mushierage]
    #23763878 - 10/23/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'll fan them a couple times a day. Would misting help them as well? It's difficult for me to dunk and roll them again since I'm try to keep this hidden. The chamber has a total of six 1.375"dia. holes. Three high and three near the top of the perlite. I may drill some more soon if you think it will help. The top holes may be restricted slightly.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23763915 - 10/23/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fanning isn't going to do anything.  You only need to fan after misting for quickening the evaporation of moisture from the surface for primordia formation.  Once that is done you can stop fanning after misting.  What you really need is proper fruiting chamber because the one you have is clearly ineffective. 

Honestly I don't even fan anymore at all, it isn't necessary, especially if you get into Monotubs, big gulps, shoeboxes, or really any type of bulk.  Cakes just don't cut it on the yields for me.  But as with any good fruiting chamber, you need constant passive FAE, without sacrificing too much humidity, which will dry your sub/cake/whatever out. 

You really need to dunk and roll, especially since you'll be increasing FAE. It's almost required.  Your cakes surfaces are just not designed to hold the moisture like you need at the surface.  You need a microclimate going on the surface and only the dunk and roll method will help you with that.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23764025 - 10/23/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'll fan them a couple times a day. Would misting help them as well? It's difficult for me to dunk and roll them again since I'm try to keep this hidden. The chamber has a total of six 1.375"dia. holes. Three high and three near the top of the perlite. I may drill some more soon if you think it will help. The top holes may be restricted slightly.




a sgfc is called a sgfc because it looks like it got shot with a shotgun.
holes on every side top bottom sides and all. about 2inch apart on ALL frickin
sides.

what tek did you follow for your chamber? or did you wing it? :chump:


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23764182 - 10/23/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fix your foil

Check out this tek :awesomenod:


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: mushboy]
    #23764362 - 10/23/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I just kinda went for it on the chamber. I'm not sure what six large holes is called but I'll drill it full of smaller holes ASAP. I trimmed the foil this morning so hopefully that'll help. Thank you guys for all the help. I'll try and get more photos once the family goes to sleep.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23764504 - 10/23/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I just kinda went for it on the chamber. I'm not sure what six large holes is called but I'll drill it full of smaller holes ASAP. I trimmed the foil this morning so hopefully that'll help. Thank you guys for all the help. I'll try and get more photos once the family goes to sleep.





The design with 6 large holes, 2 on each long side just above the substrate and 1 on each short side near the top, is called a monotub.  If you're doing cakes, you almost need to do them in an SGFC.  I have not had much luck with cakes in a monotub but I am trying giant 4 lb blocks.  So far so good. 

If you want to dabble in bulk and grain that's generally the next step for noobs after cakes.  You could take an intermediary step however and jump straight into agar to clean up your cultures.  This step alone will be sure to give clean spawn, and a literal endless supply of wedges to inoculate with so long as you always keep one culture on plates at all times. 

Try your luck at a couple monos.  I guarantee they'll increase your yield with a good fruiter by 50 fold.  There is nothing more satisfying than sitting on a qp or more of high quality psychedelics.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Mushierage]
    #23764688 - 10/23/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So, at this point, would I be better to drill many more holes in my monotub or go straight to bulk? The only reason I'm growing thee is because I'm in my 40's and don't known where to buy them. I'm not looking to grow a bunch. Just enough to try out.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23764765 - 10/23/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would try a mini mono if you just want a little for personal.  A mini will net you probably about 3-4 ounces dry over a few flushes, enough to stop growing for a couple months if you only take small amounts or use only on special occasions.   

You can get awesome tubs for minis at most dollar stores.  Here's one of mine. 



You could also try one of these. 



It's a shoebox tub, works great when you place a couple inside a full size mono.  Makes cleanup a breeze and nets you 4-8 ounces dry over its lifetime.  I use 2 qts of spawn for all shoeboxes but I intend on trying one with 3 qrts.  Should make for an amazing first two flushes.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Mushierage]
    #23765931 - 10/24/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23765966 - 10/24/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That's cakes in a monotub sitting on perlite. Not a shot gun fruiting chamber.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23766138 - 10/24/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: amidogen]
    #23766187 - 10/24/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There's soooo much info online I guess I just mixed it all up. Is there anything I can do to salvage these guys?


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23766225 - 10/24/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Drill 1/4 inch holes 2 inches apart on all 6 sides of your tub and keep it elevated off the floor so air can come in through the bottom. Leave the holes you have already stuffed with polyfil or replace the polyfil with micropore tape if you want. Easy fix


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23766230 - 10/24/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Take them out, as well as the perlite. Either get a new tub and drill 1/4" holes in a 2x2 pattern ON ALL 6 sides or tape up the tub you have and drill the holes in it.... either way, refill with 4-6" of damp perlite, spritz your cakes with mist and gently roll them in vermiculite, put them back in, mist them until they glisten with dew, fan and repeat until you fruit.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23770851 - 10/25/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So, this morning, I threw out my existing perlite, drilled 1\4" holes in an approximately 2" x2" grid, filled my new chamber with about 3 1\2" damp perlite, and put my three cakes back in. While all this was going on I soaked my cakes in water to rehydrate them. I misted the chamber and closed it back up. Its currently sitting on a wire closet shelf so it can get 360 air.
Hopefully things will work out or I'll have to start cruising parking lots at jam band shows to see if I can score something.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23770864 - 10/25/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's not going to work well in a closet as it works off currents in the room


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23770891 - 10/25/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nice :thumbup:
Did you roll your cakes too?


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23771043 - 10/25/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Can I fan the closet often? I can't grow these out in the open. I have kids and a very conservative wife. I can probably leave the door open at night but that's not a guarantee.
I couldn't roll. The two year old was getting restless.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23775048 - 10/26/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In general, you're fine to grow in a closet. Sure, the air might be deader in there, but you'll be misting and fanning to help that out, right? It's not ideal but for the small scale science fair level experiment you're doing, don't sweat it.

That said, it's not a bad idea to keep the air moving in the surrounding room and/or in the closet itself. Run a small electric fan in the vicinity of the grow. Do not point the fan directly at the fruiting chamber. Experiment with fan placement and speed. Your goal is to encourage continual evaporation of moisture from the cakes, without actually drying them out too much. Do your research in this forum to find out what cake look like when they are stressed from being too dry. If you can mist your cakes frequently (several times per day) then you want to give them a bit more fresh air, so put the fan closer and/or higher speed. If you can't, then put the fan further away or don't use a fan at all.

As I mentioned early in the thread, your main problem was that your cakes were suffocating because you were using a monotub-style fruiting chamber with a shotgun-style growing technique. If you've switched to a shotgun chamber, then you've made the biggest single improvement that you possibly could. The most important thing to do from here on out is to mist and fan as much as you can. You should see your cakes look healthier already - that fuzz in your original pictures was evidence of lack of fresh air.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: freespeech]
    #23777075 - 10/27/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have a few pins when I checked on them this morning. I was as excited to see pins as I was mycelium. I'm able to mist and fan twice a day and have been leaving the closet door open at night.
I appreciate all the help from you guys.


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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: Gilligan1976]
    #23777094 - 10/27/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Fruiting Question [Re: amidogen]
    #23778145 - 10/27/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

A small fan, on a low setting, across the room, not pointed at the grow, is not going to fuck anything up.


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