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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23768297 - 10/24/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

62% say it's rigged :rofl2:

You people are unbelievably gullible. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that 62% of the population is extremely gullible. You guys crack me up though. It's like you conspiracy theorists, exact same thing. You guys are hilarious.

One day, people will be living on mars, and you'll all still be talking about how the earth is flat :lol:


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23768298 - 10/24/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Thats not how that works, and the fact that you believes so just proves how much a of a fucking moron you are.





Yes that's exactly how it works.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23768303 - 10/24/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Thats not how that works, and the fact that you believes so just proves how much a of a fucking moron you are.




while I disagree with Kood's sunny assessment, is there any reason you're so bad at having a reasoned discussion without resorting to mud slinging?

in response to Koods, I am pretty sure the US involvement in Syria is as always, another proxy war, continuing their shitting on Russia as others said. While I don't think ISIS is directly run from within the US -a ridiculous claim- it's possible they were allowed to get where they are specifically to destabilize the region and give the US an excuse to intervene. After all, we know how they love to depose world leaders of third world nations


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: koods]
    #23768307 - 10/24/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Coming in here for my daily counter to the CTR shills

Trump will most likely win, don't listen to oversampled polls and CNN.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23768309 - 10/24/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
It wont be, it'll be a slow escalation, like the one that's been ongoing for a while. First it was just a proxy war in Syria, then America invaded. To the shock of everyone Russia invaded alongside them. At first they communicated with each other, slowly they diverged. Stopped communicating, now they are openly attacking their lead alliances, Russia recently said it'll destroy every US craft in the region if they touch Assad's forces again, and the vice president just declared he'll be attacking Russia's government cybernetically in the coming days or months.

Now do you see the pattern emerging here?



Someones on an end of days kick huh? Listen man with the UN set it up the way it is, with the laws it has, the likelihood of nuclear war is extremely unlikely. The US and Russia are slowly but surely getting rid of more and more nuclear weapons from their arsenal per an agreement(cant remember the acronym).
Unless i see a nuclear cloud outside of my window I'm just not really worried about it, and by that time it'll be too late anyways so its a win/win :cool:



That's simply untrue for many reasons. The UN isn't set up in a way that it could properly de-escalate a war on that scale. All it takes is for one side to ignore existing treaties, and ignore UN mandates. This is already the case.

With that said, I'm of the same opinion as Ezuma, this wont lead to nuclear warfare - nor total warfare. It will however increase proxy warfare, and Russia is both improving it's military infrastructure and training for modern warfare and ensuring that it will not accept a role in international interests where it doesn't have some say. It's blatantly questioning the United State's hegemony of the past couple decades in a big way, calling us on our shit so to speak.

I don't think this is the start of total warfare, but it does introduce a new Cold War element to international relations. Russia doesn't need to be as powerful as it was during the peak of the Cold War to exert it's influence. It only needs to be a threat, and it will have a say. Putin is realizing that not every action Russia takes will result in a large scale war with the United States because it's strategically retarded for either force to take part.

The United States isn't likely to commit a Vietnam War scale effort to any conflict in the Middle East or Asia either, regardless of the tone. Not that Russia has the means of funding a war on that scale these days anyway, but they don't need that kind of push to secure theoretical red lines either. This understanding is going to allow Russia to arm itself (on an equipment level, and with small nuclear warheads that are more easily deployable as well) and continue it's modernization efforts militarily without the need to submit to anything that would stop this. If we continue to sanction Russia far into the future, you will see a more self-reliant Russia that doesn't need the full power of the international market as much as we would to continue military operations extensively.

I don't think total warfare will be an issue. It would be suicide for Putin, and disastrous for the US and it's allies. This is a game of chicken. A dangerous one that will end in many lives lost. We can play the moral high ground, but satellite wars that start on moral principle usually spiral into something worse by the end of it.




I feel like youre just further proving my point. What I was saying is that the UN condemns the act of using nuclear weapons and our nations are not willing to give up our seats in the UN and all the connections they hold with those positions, that would be horribly stupid for either country. I dont believe the US and Russia are  fighting more then the usual pissing contest we have been having since our 2 nations have existed haha, so nothing to worry about. And also like you said, for the US to go to war with such a massive and developed army as Russia would cost an insane amount of lives and money, not to mention shattering many alliances and trade agreements with all the other countries. We will work out our problems as countries by doing the same thing we hsve been doing this whole time, puffing our chests out at each other to make sure we each get as sweet of a deal as possible whenever anything of value comes up. I was simply saying also that im just not worry about nuclear war with Russia in the slightest.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: philopian_tube]
    #23768312 - 10/24/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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philopian_tube said:
Coming in here for my daily counter to the CTR shills

Trump will most likely win, don't listen to oversampled polls and CNN.




I'll be sure to remind you of this when he loses :hamsterdance:


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: koods]
    #23768319 - 10/24/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh right, the terrorists America armed, created and let run freely after they disposed of all systems of power in multiple countries. Yes thats totally reasonable. Few terrorists leak into their territory during the instability they directly created and suddenly they have the grounds to kill everyone in their government and everybody should just accept it. Thats totally not meddling and Russia should let america have its way. How could I not see the err of my ways.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23768320 - 10/24/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i have no idea what Shrinking Violets are, but it sounds like one bad ass dope ass band.



Im guessing it's a sex thing. I didn't even mean to enter this thread, so i have no intention of reading further to see if I'm wrong or not.

Shrinking violets is a sex toy to me now. Deal with it.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23768324 - 10/24/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I will deal with it :shrug:

Judges ruling: Is Shrinking Violets a new sex toy?


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: koods] * 1
    #23768330 - 10/24/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How come America isnt invading the phillipines, thailand, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan to combat these terrorist hot beds then, if thats all its about?


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23768336 - 10/24/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Thats not how that works, and the fact that you believes so just proves how much a of a fucking moron you are.




while I disagree with Kood's sunny assessment, is there any reason you're so bad at having a reasoned discussion without resorting to mud slinging?

in response to Koods, I am pretty sure the US involvement in Syria is as always, another proxy war, continuing their shitting on Russia as others said. While I don't think ISIS is directly run from within the US -a ridiculous claim- it's possible they were allowed to get where they are specifically to destabilize the region and give the US an excuse to intervene. After all, we know how they love to depose world leaders of third world nations




The US was bombing sites in Syria long before Russia got involved. While ISIS is the indirect result of the destabilization of Iraq after the war, it is the direct result of the oppression of the Sunni population of that country by the Shiite led government that took over after the US occupation. ISIS took advantage of the assad's weak control of the north of his country to set up shop and launch attacks into Iraq. Hiding behind the borders of another country does not give you protection from retaliation, and that is what the US and a dozen other countries are doing.

The funny thing is, except for the part about killing the families of terrorists, trumps plan for attacking ISIS is exactly what we are doing right now.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23768353 - 10/24/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How come America isnt invading the phillipines, thailand, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan to combat these terrorist hot beds then, if thats all its about?




Because we are assisting Iraq destroy the terrorist organization invading army that is occupying their territory.


Edited by koods (10/24/16 09:27 PM)


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23768362 - 10/24/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess I will deal with it :shrug:

Judges ruling: Is Shrinking Violets a new sex toy?



Judge rules in favor of new sex toy, does this sparkle with the rest of you?


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23768384 - 10/24/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh right, the terrorists America armed, created and let run freely after they disposed of all systems of power in multiple countries. Yes thats totally reasonable. Few terrorists leak into their territory during the instability they directly created and suddenly they have the grounds to kill everyone in their government and everybody should just accept it. Thats totally not meddling and Russia should let america have its way. How could I not see the err of my ways.



The US invaded Iraq based on neocon interests and cheney's connections to the military industrial complex. It's unclear whether Bush and how many others in government truly believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or not but it's clear there were no long term goals for Iraq. Bush and the neocons truly believed we would go in there knock shit up and leave a stable government. They were completely unaware of how bad it could get with sectarian conflict and instability. In fact the chaos and power vacuum in Iraq has allowed Iran and Russia to exert their control over Iraq through the shiite government, all at the expense of US interests.

There is literally nothing to be gained by the CIA or the government to create ISIS. ISIS is the inadvertent result of the complete bungling of the invasion and occupation that followed demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the region.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: koods]
    #23768389 - 10/24/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How come America isnt invading the phillipines, thailand, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan to combat these terrorist hot beds then, if thats all its about?




Because we are assisting Iraq destroy the terrorist organization invading army that is occupying their territory.





See if that was true then America would've have also invaded Turkey, Jordan and Saudia Arabia. ISIS's primary trading partners and sources of soldiers. You cant destroy ISIS if you're only ever allowed to attack a small portion of its force. Such an argument also begs the question of why they would be running arms to terrorist groups in syria to fight Assad. If it was as innocent as you say and they were just there to help there is no reason they wouldnt at the minimum suspend trade with these offenders. In light of such things one could only assume that their primary goal was to dispose of Assad and eliminate an russian ally and not to help anyone from anything.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: koods]
    #23768420 - 10/24/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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As for the Ukraine. When Victor Yushchenko ran against a pro-Russian candidate for president of the Ukraine, this is what Putin did to him



He was so severely poisoned he almost died and  his face was scarred for life.

When the most recent pro Russian president was overthrown after it was revealed he was robbing the country blind and he exiled himself to Russia, Putin decided to invade.





you have the video tape of putin doing this?


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23768427 - 10/24/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bush and the neocons truly believed we would go in there knock shit up and leave a stable government. They were completely unaware of how bad it could get with sectarian conflict and instability.






I doubt that, you dont disband an entire army, remove their ability to feed themselves during an occupation, and not expect violence in return. Their moves were cold and calculated.

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There is literally nothing to be gained by the CIA or the government to create ISIS. ISIS is the inadvertent result of the complete bungling of the invasion and occupation that followed demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of the region.





Haliburton made off with billions in rebuilding and rights contracts, along with all the defense spending a lot of powerful people made off with a lot of money. Maybe for the public it wasnt profitable, but for those involved the whole situation was a very lucrative deal, as war usually is.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23768435 - 10/24/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
How come America isnt invading the phillipines, thailand, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan to combat these terrorist hot beds then, if thats all its about?




Because we are assisting Iraq destroy the terrorist organization invading army that is occupying their territory.





See if that was true then America would've have also invaded Turkey, Jordan and Saudia Arabia. ISIS's primary trading partners and sources of soldiers. You cant destroy ISIS if you're only ever allowed to attack a small portion of its force. Such an argument also begs the question of why they would be running arms to terrorist groups in syria to fight Assad. If it was as innocent as you say and they were just there to help there is no reason they wouldnt at the minimum suspend trade with these offenders. In light of such things one could only assume that their primary goal was to dispose of Assad and eliminate an russian ally and not to help anyone from anything.




We are already in Iraq that is why we are fighting them in Iraq. You don't just send troops into another country to fight terrorists which is tantamount to declaring war on those countries. It would be ludicrous to suspend trade with countries like Jordan and Turkey because they are supplying fighters to ISIS, we would also have to do the same to all of Europe and ourselves. The people who go to fight with ISIS are free citizens not controlled by their governments and are free to join ISIS and the intelligence agencies don't catch all of them.

We're supplying arms to rebel groups in Syria because of how horrible Assad is. The entire world except Russia agrees that Assad is a war criminal and needs to go, he's been using chemical weapons and waging total war on all of his citizens, it's despicable. However, I don't agree with supplying the rebels with weapons because it will inadvertently end up in the hands of terrorists and it is hard to vet particular rebel groups which have ambiguous relationships with terrorist groups but that is why we do it.


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: JonneyBoy]
    #23768437 - 10/24/16 09:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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JonneyBoy said:
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LogicaL Chaos said:
I guess I will deal with it :shrug:

Judges ruling: Is Shrinking Violets a new sex toy?



Judge rules in favor of new sex toy, does this sparkle with the rest of you?



I think it's like a butt plug or something. That's my guess.:shrug:


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Re: Poll: Do you Believe the Election is Rigged? [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 1
    #23768443 - 10/24/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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