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I thought it was a myth
    #23760054 - 10/22/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

As everybody i thought it was a myth , just anti drug propaganda

After my last Shroom Trip 3,5 wich was way to overwhelming for me in that moment i had kinda a
PTSD reaction on it.

Since that trip , i have never really come down from it and it is already 8 months ago.

I am 1 step behind from "normal" living.

The drug effects have whore off but i have never went really back down to my physichal body and my soul has left.

I am trying now with my homepath with Chakra healing and some plant based products getting back into my body and feel the earth again.

I am young , i thought it was a myth that this could happen and it has happened to me although i followed all steps for s good tripping session and was mental stable in that moment .

Shrooms are unpredictable.

I hope i get again my soul into the body and can continue living a decent life.

It is just a warning to people out there that it can happen

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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760123 - 10/22/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Soul into your body, what are you talking about?

Please explain what you're feeling in physical or psychological terms for everyone to relate.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23760131 - 10/22/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I had a session with my Homepath and she explained me that my soul was literally leaving my soul at this moment if i continued using drugs.
Since that trip i have lost the connection to the universe , the earth below my feet and more psychological issues .


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760134 - 10/22/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think he means to describe in more detail what the psychological issues are. Its the best way to find people with similar experiences to be able to guide you through it.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip] * 2
    #23760154 - 10/22/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you listen to a lady, who probably has no experience with psychedelics, who believe in a very vague, undefined term and you take her words very literally and make yourself worried?

You sound like a good, yet naive young man.

Throw the BS out of the window and face your experience as you feel it and not via new age words.

Did you ever think that maybe you have a very good relationship with the universe now after using psychedelics?


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23760169 - 10/22/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am in this situation the past 7-8 months.

I have tried evrything out and she has had very similar cases to mine and i believe in spiritual healing practice because other things havnt worked.

Since that trip i have lost the connection to evrything .
I cant really see through reality , i arent really inside my head and body and cant feel.

I cant live like this in society atm and i am pretty isolated looking for things that can help me.

I havnt got permafried and i havnt lost my mind .

The thing is it is not working correctly and it was due to that reaction i got from the panic moment in shrooms.

Weed wont help , MDMA neither , shrooms
neither. I have stopped all drug use .


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760191 - 10/22/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Since you are comfortable with spiritual manners, i'll suggest a practice.

Can you close your eyes and feel your body from within? Start with the tip of your fingers, can you notice their place with your eyes closed?

Try to move your attention to the rest of your body.

This way you can feel you physical "energy" more and more and it might ground you back.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760562 - 10/22/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I had a session with my Homepath and she explained me that my soul was literally leaving my soul at this moment if i continued using drugs.
Since that trip i have lost the connection to the universe , the earth below my feet and more psychological issues .




Did you pay this person? Some of the shamans in the amazon use drugs to exploit people. They may be doing something similar and tell you this happens so hopefully you'll keep coming back. 

You are as you believe yourself to be.
If you think you're damaged and you got a disorder it will sure as hell seem like it even if you don't.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23761132 - 10/22/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

your 100% fine as long as you use no more drugs at all and eat healthy, exercise daily, wake and sleep at normal hours daily, do simple things like read and write or play music and only hang out with trust worthy individuals.  youl be 100% fine, stop doing drugs or you will unhinge yourself due to your irresponsible use of them.  stop seeing homeropaths qucks. for gods sake someone tell this guy i dont have the patience right now.


doing this will return you to near enough or complete equalibrium / homesostasis if u can keep it up for 6 months .  You psyched yourself.  Now listen . And DO the work to recover.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23761713 - 10/22/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Weed wont help , MDMA neither , shrooms
neither. I have stopped all drug use .




That might be your problem. In my experience, when you come out of a trip wrong like this sometimes the only way to fix it is to go back and undo whatever happened on that trip.

I know it sounds counter intuitive but look at this way. When you take mushrooms, its like softening the clay that makes up your mind. WHen the trip ends it hardens up in whatever form its in. If you come out of a trip wrong and your mind hardens up in the wrong shape, the easiest way to fix it is to trip again.

Its just like a blacksmith working with metal. If he makes a mistake, he's going to immediately melt the metal back down to reshape it. Read LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof for more on this idea.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23761720 - 10/22/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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your 100% fine as long as you use no more drugs at all and eat healthy, exercise daily, wake and sleep at normal hours daily, do simple things like read and write or play music and only hang out with trust worthy individuals.  youl be 100% fine, stop doing drugs or you will unhinge yourself due to your irresponsible use of them.  stop seeing homeropaths qucks. for gods sake someone tell this guy i dont have the patience right now.


doing this will return you to near enough or complete equalibrium / homesostasis if u can keep it up for 6 months .  You psyched yourself.  Now listen . And DO the work to recover.




I dont necessarily agree with this. Sometimes like what the OP is describing happened to me once. I stopped using all drugs and ate healthy for a year thinking that would be the solution. Instead I only got worse. It wasn't until I tripped again that I was able to understand what had gone wrong and how to fix it. THis is just my experience though.

I'm not trying to advocate excessive or continued psychedelic use either. I just think if youre gonna stop taking psychedelics it is much wiser to stop following a good experience that leaves you feeling centered in yourself. If you dont feel that way, it can definitely be worth tripping a few more times to see if you gain your center back.

Of course there is a risk things could get even worse. Each person has to weigh that for themself. For me things usually seem to get better just when I think all is lost.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23761745 - 10/22/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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your 100% fine as long as you use no more drugs at all and eat healthy, exercise daily, wake and sleep at normal hours daily, do simple things like read and write or play music and only hang out with trust worthy individuals.  youl be 100% fine, stop doing drugs or you will unhinge yourself due to your irresponsible use of them.  stop seeing homeropaths qucks. for gods sake someone tell this guy i dont have the patience right now.


doing this will return you to near enough or complete equalibrium / homesostasis if u can keep it up for 6 months .  You psyched yourself.  Now listen . And DO the work to recover.




I dont necessarily agree with this. Sometimes like what the OP is describing happened to me once. I stopped using all drugs and ate healthy for a year thinking that would be the solution. Instead I only got worse. It wasn't until I tripped again that I was able to understand what had gone wrong and how to fix it. THis is just my experience though.

I'm not trying to advocate excessive or continued psychedelic use either. I just think if youre gonna stop taking psychedelics it is much wiser to stop following a good experience that leaves you feeling centered in yourself. If you dont feel that way, it can definitely be worth tripping a few more times to see if you gain your center back.

Of course there is a risk things could get even worse. Each person has to weigh that for themself. For me things usually seem to get better just when I think all is lost.





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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23762065 - 10/22/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its all about what state of mind your in while your tripping  and while you come down.

Give the Tibetan book of the dead a read.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzajA9YZtNNtV3lsRkVKNmNIMnc/edit

And stop taking spiritual advice from a homeopathic snake-oil salesman.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23763283 - 10/23/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the replies!

Yeah what you sayed above with the clay metaphor is very good.

I kinda left badly that trip and it stayed since then.

Now , i dont get high from weed , dont feel anything .
Mdma helps for a moment but also not.

I tried a Shrooms dose last week from 1g . It brang some clarity but it didnt unmake the clay and didnt let me see the light and experience universal love.


So i dont know if dosing up is the way because things can get worse but when i reach the point where i have nothing to left i will do it because i am living in this hell since 7-8 months and cant take it anymore.

It is not the case that i cant control myself while tripping .

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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23763314 - 10/23/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Are you on meds?

Just wondering if you ever considered an Ayahuasca session.

Can't think of anything else in this world that can help you more than a profound aya experience, it might be a little intense in your situation, but maybe trying to start with a small dose might benefit a lot for you.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23763328 - 10/23/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I arent on meds , have taken some for 2 weeks but i stopped them they where shit.

I have considered an Aya session at last if anything other helps me because i want to live again.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23763361 - 10/23/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Weed wont help , MDMA neither , shrooms
neither. I have stopped all drug use .




That might be your problem. In my experience, when you come out of a trip wrong like this sometimes the only way to fix it is to go back and undo whatever happened on that trip.

I know it sounds counter intuitive but look at this way. When you take mushrooms, its like softening the clay that makes up your mind. WHen the trip ends it hardens up in whatever form its in. If you come out of a trip wrong and your mind hardens up in the wrong shape, the easiest way to fix it is to trip again.

Its just like a blacksmith working with metal. If he makes a mistake, he's going to immediately melt the metal back down to reshape it. Read LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof for more on this idea.




I really like the clay analogy. After a nightmare ayahuasca trip the thing that got me back on track was taking 4 tabs of LSD the next weekend, and then two weekends after that, then 4-aco-dmt several times following during the same summer. I never tripped that frequently before or since but ultimately it led me to taking ayahuasca again and resolving the issue for good and in fact being infinitely better off than before the whole ordeal. The trips in the interim were no where near as strong but they helped me connect to some of the feelings i had on the first ayahuasca trip and navigate them a little easier so that i could process what happened to me. By the time i got to the next ayahuasca trip i knew exactly what i was in for and what to do and the real progress started. It's a shame our culture doesn't work with these substances more in depth. As westerns we have a very skewed view of pathology and I hate to recommend something like exposure therapy without the confidence of knowing OP's brain isn't literally fucked up by drugs. I mean, all intuition and personal experience would say it's not and that your analogy is spot on. But having some sort of energy worker or shaman who works with these states and can relate to their patients in terms they can actually understand would be a benefit to all. In ceremony the guide hardly flinched at my lashing out and "psychotic" behavior. Just like "yup, you're fighting some demons... why don't you go do that in the corner so we can continue on here" :lol: Being born and bred in western reductionism i was like "no i need to go to the hospital, give me antipsychotics!! i broke my brain!" Guess who was right... :facepalm:


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23763477 - 10/23/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never trip while sleep deprived.

I say you take more shrooms and get your 'soul' back.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: impaired420]
    #23763647 - 10/23/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol problem is delusion and a lack of connection to reality. You're trusting for a lack of better words, bullshit to try to correct 'soul loss.' Maybe you just realized the world isn't the false structure you pictured prior to your trip? Homeopathic advocates are always gonna tell you they've had cases just like yours because that makes you feel like there's someone else that understands your issues which you can find solace in.

You won't ever be happy if you only seek out help and don't look within to find why you need help. Keep in mind you have believed for 8 months your soul is lost..that's a long time for a seed of belief to structure your mind in the wrong way.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23763666 - 10/23/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I had a session with my Homepath and she explained me that my soul was literally leaving my soul at this moment if i continued using drugs.
Since that trip i have lost the connection to the universe , the earth below my feet and more psychological issues .




You are as you believe yourself to be.
If you think you're damaged and you got a disorder it will sure as hell seem like it even if you don't.




:whathesaid:

If I discovered something didn't work, I wouldn't assume the next route associated with more BS than any other industry is the right answer, just because the other didn't work. You're selling yourself short man. You're fixation on your problem is your downfall.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23763738 - 10/23/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)






:whathesaid:

If I discovered something didn't work, I wouldn't assume the next route associated with more BS than any other industry is the right answer, just because the other didn't work. You're selling yourself short man. You're fixation on your problem is your downfall.






Like i said, check your daily routine and make it more or less healthy man.  and realize that right now your mind is actually fine, its like an apparition or a mirage or ghost, nothing can hurt it, because it doesnt exist the way we think things exist, its special.  But if you put stock into this idea you produced because of some funky phsyical things youv been feeling and fixate on it, damn sure the thing will reflect that.  Grab the eraser and continue on.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23763931 - 10/23/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You will be fine. I had a trip (3.5g of mushrooms) where i let my heart rate and breathing get out of control and i couldnt reign them back in. I wanted to kill myself and i still do sometimes since that trip but ive tripped again since and tripping acctually helps. Im on an LSD afterglow right now and i feel amazing.

Im telling you this to prove to you that the psychedelics didnt permenently fuck you up you just have to work through the fear you are experiencing.

By worrying that you are fucked up you are living in fear. If psyches could permenently mess you up i wouldnt be able to trip anymore without wanting to kill myself.

I doubt your bad trip was much worse than mine or anyone elses.

What ever you do take a break from psychedelics for atleast 2-3 months. Or longer if you need it. You might even decide to quit. My break after the bad trip was a few months, maybe between 4 and 5. Maybe less though. It was probably the worst low i have experienced to this day but it has gotten much, much better

also if you smoke weed take a break from that too. Psyches especially though.

Oh an btw alot of people will say the only reason for a baf trip is that you have to fix your life and all that hippy shit. Bad trips can be caused by living a shitty lifw but it also could just be (especially if the drug is shrooms) an uncomfortable body load. Your brain sometimes sends panic signals ro your body especially on the come up. Muscle tension plays a large roll in our emotions and behaviour and psychedelics cayse muscle tension.

With that having been said it could be some hippy bullshit and maybe you do need to make a change in your life.

Good luck


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23763962 - 10/23/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks ,

At that moment my life was good. The teip was just way to overwhelming and to much and i had that panic moment.
I have tripped once since that time and it was 1g last week and it hasnt got better.

I might rake the risk of going deeper to fix it.

I was 6-7 months sober and tried everything and i really dont know what to do.

I am going either the shroom tour or looking into madre ayahuasca as a final option.

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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23763977 - 10/23/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol what about Lsd? You're talking about intense spirit affirming psychedelics but something that may as well scare then living shit out of you. Maybe you just need to let life pass you by a little more? Are you a very analytical person? Can you handle chaos without getting stressed out? What drugs have you done if you don't mind me asking


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23764019 - 10/23/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah if you dont want to stop tripping stop taking tryptamines. Especially ayahuasca dude. One of the most powerful tryptamines with harmala alkaloids? Not to mention you will be at an ayahuasca lodge that is unfamiliar (unless you live somewhere where you can get mhrb and make your own.)

I tried LSD 2 days ago and its much less scary and uncomfortable than shrooms. It lasts longer though so if you loose your shit you have to ride it out for longer.

Inhailing nitrous oxide :nitrous: (laughing gas, also used to compress whipped cream cans) will toally take away that tense body load. And will take away panic for me unless im on weed and mushrooms at the same time, then it doesnt always work but it works with weed or mushrooms alone.

Plus its mind blowing and indeacribably amazing. Its something everyone who trips should try.

I always have nitrous when i trip. As long as i stay high on it i wont have a bad trip (again except in mushrooms AND weed.)

i call them escape pods now lol im trying to get that to catch on Because most people use alcohol or benzos to calm a trip down but then hat dulls the whole trip whereas nitrous lasts like a minute so you can get yourself out of a rough place but then go back to an intense trip.



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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23764139 - 10/23/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I can get my shit together while tripping.

I have done shrooms 4 times
LSD none
Weed 3-4 Years
MDMA

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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23764231 - 10/23/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Eventually my friend, I don't believe that a forum, even a very supportive one as this will help you to get out of you situation.

I hope I'm wrong.

Either way, just remember one thing. Life is a cycle, once you're down, be absolutely sure that the next step is going up.

Just give it time, clinging to it is giving it validation.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23764294 - 10/23/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

With that amount of drugs you should probably just calm down and realize there's nothing wrong with you. You have not even scratched the psychedelic surface. There is so much more beauty and benevolence to these substances than what you think. Do you have access to LSD, DMT, 2CB?


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23764393 - 10/23/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes to all of them .
I know , as i said i am not an experienced user .


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23764478 - 10/23/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes to all of them .
I know , as i said i am not an experienced user .



I would think the clear head on lsd or 2cb or the shortlived quality of dmt could all benefit you in ways that the mindfucking barrage of chaotically repressed thoughts from triptamines don't. What was your set and setting like on mushrooms during the life altering trip?


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23764510 - 10/23/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The trip is that you're always you and your 'soul' never left, only your appetitive section was numbed by the entheogens you used.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23764553 - 10/23/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Set/Setting were good but two female friends bumped in and kinda fucked up the expectations i had for that trip and we changed plan and setting ..


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: sudly]
    #23764555 - 10/23/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What do you specifically mean by that ^^?


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23764563 - 10/23/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The brain is electrically active in a 24 hour cycle and I'm sure you can guess what that means.

Additionally the active ingredients in magic mushrooms act to numb the part of your nervous system that governs your fight or flight response. The sensation of ego death is the temporary inhibition of your sympathetic nervous system.

By that I mean the experience of ego death is the inhibition of your instinctual and intuitive sensations.

In your case it means that what has changed for you is that your intuitive sensations are less sensitive.


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