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I thought it was a myth
    #23760054 - 10/22/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

As everybody i thought it was a myth , just anti drug propaganda

After my last Shroom Trip 3,5 wich was way to overwhelming for me in that moment i had kinda a
PTSD reaction on it.

Since that trip , i have never really come down from it and it is already 8 months ago.

I am 1 step behind from "normal" living.

The drug effects have whore off but i have never went really back down to my physichal body and my soul has left.

I am trying now with my homepath with Chakra healing and some plant based products getting back into my body and feel the earth again.

I am young , i thought it was a myth that this could happen and it has happened to me although i followed all steps for s good tripping session and was mental stable in that moment .

Shrooms are unpredictable.

I hope i get again my soul into the body and can continue living a decent life.

It is just a warning to people out there that it can happen

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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760123 - 10/22/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Soul into your body, what are you talking about?

Please explain what you're feeling in physical or psychological terms for everyone to relate.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23760131 - 10/22/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I had a session with my Homepath and she explained me that my soul was literally leaving my soul at this moment if i continued using drugs.
Since that trip i have lost the connection to the universe , the earth below my feet and more psychological issues .


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760134 - 10/22/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think he means to describe in more detail what the psychological issues are. Its the best way to find people with similar experiences to be able to guide you through it.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip] * 2
    #23760154 - 10/22/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you listen to a lady, who probably has no experience with psychedelics, who believe in a very vague, undefined term and you take her words very literally and make yourself worried?

You sound like a good, yet naive young man.

Throw the BS out of the window and face your experience as you feel it and not via new age words.

Did you ever think that maybe you have a very good relationship with the universe now after using psychedelics?


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23760169 - 10/22/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am in this situation the past 7-8 months.

I have tried evrything out and she has had very similar cases to mine and i believe in spiritual healing practice because other things havnt worked.

Since that trip i have lost the connection to evrything .
I cant really see through reality , i arent really inside my head and body and cant feel.

I cant live like this in society atm and i am pretty isolated looking for things that can help me.

I havnt got permafried and i havnt lost my mind .

The thing is it is not working correctly and it was due to that reaction i got from the panic moment in shrooms.

Weed wont help , MDMA neither , shrooms
neither. I have stopped all drug use .


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760191 - 10/22/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Since you are comfortable with spiritual manners, i'll suggest a practice.

Can you close your eyes and feel your body from within? Start with the tip of your fingers, can you notice their place with your eyes closed?

Try to move your attention to the rest of your body.

This way you can feel you physical "energy" more and more and it might ground you back.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23760562 - 10/22/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Trippedytrip said:
I had a session with my Homepath and she explained me that my soul was literally leaving my soul at this moment if i continued using drugs.
Since that trip i have lost the connection to the universe , the earth below my feet and more psychological issues .




Did you pay this person? Some of the shamans in the amazon use drugs to exploit people. They may be doing something similar and tell you this happens so hopefully you'll keep coming back. 

You are as you believe yourself to be.
If you think you're damaged and you got a disorder it will sure as hell seem like it even if you don't.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23761132 - 10/22/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

your 100% fine as long as you use no more drugs at all and eat healthy, exercise daily, wake and sleep at normal hours daily, do simple things like read and write or play music and only hang out with trust worthy individuals.  youl be 100% fine, stop doing drugs or you will unhinge yourself due to your irresponsible use of them.  stop seeing homeropaths qucks. for gods sake someone tell this guy i dont have the patience right now.


doing this will return you to near enough or complete equalibrium / homesostasis if u can keep it up for 6 months .  You psyched yourself.  Now listen . And DO the work to recover.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23761713 - 10/22/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Weed wont help , MDMA neither , shrooms
neither. I have stopped all drug use .




That might be your problem. In my experience, when you come out of a trip wrong like this sometimes the only way to fix it is to go back and undo whatever happened on that trip.

I know it sounds counter intuitive but look at this way. When you take mushrooms, its like softening the clay that makes up your mind. WHen the trip ends it hardens up in whatever form its in. If you come out of a trip wrong and your mind hardens up in the wrong shape, the easiest way to fix it is to trip again.

Its just like a blacksmith working with metal. If he makes a mistake, he's going to immediately melt the metal back down to reshape it. Read LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof for more on this idea.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23761720 - 10/22/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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your 100% fine as long as you use no more drugs at all and eat healthy, exercise daily, wake and sleep at normal hours daily, do simple things like read and write or play music and only hang out with trust worthy individuals.  youl be 100% fine, stop doing drugs or you will unhinge yourself due to your irresponsible use of them.  stop seeing homeropaths qucks. for gods sake someone tell this guy i dont have the patience right now.


doing this will return you to near enough or complete equalibrium / homesostasis if u can keep it up for 6 months .  You psyched yourself.  Now listen . And DO the work to recover.




I dont necessarily agree with this. Sometimes like what the OP is describing happened to me once. I stopped using all drugs and ate healthy for a year thinking that would be the solution. Instead I only got worse. It wasn't until I tripped again that I was able to understand what had gone wrong and how to fix it. THis is just my experience though.

I'm not trying to advocate excessive or continued psychedelic use either. I just think if youre gonna stop taking psychedelics it is much wiser to stop following a good experience that leaves you feeling centered in yourself. If you dont feel that way, it can definitely be worth tripping a few more times to see if you gain your center back.

Of course there is a risk things could get even worse. Each person has to weigh that for themself. For me things usually seem to get better just when I think all is lost.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23761745 - 10/22/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
your 100% fine as long as you use no more drugs at all and eat healthy, exercise daily, wake and sleep at normal hours daily, do simple things like read and write or play music and only hang out with trust worthy individuals.  youl be 100% fine, stop doing drugs or you will unhinge yourself due to your irresponsible use of them.  stop seeing homeropaths qucks. for gods sake someone tell this guy i dont have the patience right now.


doing this will return you to near enough or complete equalibrium / homesostasis if u can keep it up for 6 months .  You psyched yourself.  Now listen . And DO the work to recover.




I dont necessarily agree with this. Sometimes like what the OP is describing happened to me once. I stopped using all drugs and ate healthy for a year thinking that would be the solution. Instead I only got worse. It wasn't until I tripped again that I was able to understand what had gone wrong and how to fix it. THis is just my experience though.

I'm not trying to advocate excessive or continued psychedelic use either. I just think if youre gonna stop taking psychedelics it is much wiser to stop following a good experience that leaves you feeling centered in yourself. If you dont feel that way, it can definitely be worth tripping a few more times to see if you gain your center back.

Of course there is a risk things could get even worse. Each person has to weigh that for themself. For me things usually seem to get better just when I think all is lost.





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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23762065 - 10/22/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its all about what state of mind your in while your tripping  and while you come down.

Give the Tibetan book of the dead a read.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzajA9YZtNNtV3lsRkVKNmNIMnc/edit

And stop taking spiritual advice from a homeopathic snake-oil salesman.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23763283 - 10/23/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the replies!

Yeah what you sayed above with the clay metaphor is very good.

I kinda left badly that trip and it stayed since then.

Now , i dont get high from weed , dont feel anything .
Mdma helps for a moment but also not.

I tried a Shrooms dose last week from 1g . It brang some clarity but it didnt unmake the clay and didnt let me see the light and experience universal love.


So i dont know if dosing up is the way because things can get worse but when i reach the point where i have nothing to left i will do it because i am living in this hell since 7-8 months and cant take it anymore.

It is not the case that i cant control myself while tripping .

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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23763314 - 10/23/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Are you on meds?

Just wondering if you ever considered an Ayahuasca session.

Can't think of anything else in this world that can help you more than a profound aya experience, it might be a little intense in your situation, but maybe trying to start with a small dose might benefit a lot for you.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23763328 - 10/23/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I arent on meds , have taken some for 2 weeks but i stopped them they where shit.

I have considered an Aya session at last if anything other helps me because i want to live again.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23763361 - 10/23/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Weed wont help , MDMA neither , shrooms
neither. I have stopped all drug use .




That might be your problem. In my experience, when you come out of a trip wrong like this sometimes the only way to fix it is to go back and undo whatever happened on that trip.

I know it sounds counter intuitive but look at this way. When you take mushrooms, its like softening the clay that makes up your mind. WHen the trip ends it hardens up in whatever form its in. If you come out of a trip wrong and your mind hardens up in the wrong shape, the easiest way to fix it is to trip again.

Its just like a blacksmith working with metal. If he makes a mistake, he's going to immediately melt the metal back down to reshape it. Read LSD psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof for more on this idea.




I really like the clay analogy. After a nightmare ayahuasca trip the thing that got me back on track was taking 4 tabs of LSD the next weekend, and then two weekends after that, then 4-aco-dmt several times following during the same summer. I never tripped that frequently before or since but ultimately it led me to taking ayahuasca again and resolving the issue for good and in fact being infinitely better off than before the whole ordeal. The trips in the interim were no where near as strong but they helped me connect to some of the feelings i had on the first ayahuasca trip and navigate them a little easier so that i could process what happened to me. By the time i got to the next ayahuasca trip i knew exactly what i was in for and what to do and the real progress started. It's a shame our culture doesn't work with these substances more in depth. As westerns we have a very skewed view of pathology and I hate to recommend something like exposure therapy without the confidence of knowing OP's brain isn't literally fucked up by drugs. I mean, all intuition and personal experience would say it's not and that your analogy is spot on. But having some sort of energy worker or shaman who works with these states and can relate to their patients in terms they can actually understand would be a benefit to all. In ceremony the guide hardly flinched at my lashing out and "psychotic" behavior. Just like "yup, you're fighting some demons... why don't you go do that in the corner so we can continue on here" :lol: Being born and bred in western reductionism i was like "no i need to go to the hospital, give me antipsychotics!! i broke my brain!" Guess who was right... :facepalm:


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23763477 - 10/23/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never trip while sleep deprived.

I say you take more shrooms and get your 'soul' back.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: impaired420]
    #23763647 - 10/23/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol problem is delusion and a lack of connection to reality. You're trusting for a lack of better words, bullshit to try to correct 'soul loss.' Maybe you just realized the world isn't the false structure you pictured prior to your trip? Homeopathic advocates are always gonna tell you they've had cases just like yours because that makes you feel like there's someone else that understands your issues which you can find solace in.

You won't ever be happy if you only seek out help and don't look within to find why you need help. Keep in mind you have believed for 8 months your soul is lost..that's a long time for a seed of belief to structure your mind in the wrong way.


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Re: I thought it was a myth [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23763666 - 10/23/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Trippedytrip said:
I had a session with my Homepath and she explained me that my soul was literally leaving my soul at this moment if i continued using drugs.
Since that trip i have lost the connection to the universe , the earth below my feet and more psychological issues .




You are as you believe yourself to be.
If you think you're damaged and you got a disorder it will sure as hell seem like it even if you don't.




:whathesaid:

If I discovered something didn't work, I wouldn't assume the next route associated with more BS than any other industry is the right answer, just because the other didn't work. You're selling yourself short man. You're fixation on your problem is your downfall.


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