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Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god?
#23758285 - 10/21/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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God is some kind of deity to most people by definition, but then what do we call the super ego consciousness and unconsciousness within us all that will define who we become and what we can connect to if we cultivate it? Nietzsche coined the term "Ubermensch" or Superman but I feel like these terms are overlooked while deities are entirely looked at too much. The definitions of words can changed over time, faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks but then evolved to become a homosexual slur. Faggot to me doesn't mean either, I would use it to describe an annoying person like Louis CK famously said.
I propose the movement to call all "gods" deities and the inspiring often misunderstood Ubermensch within us all, as god.
Edited by GodlessPleb (10/21/16 03:12 PM)
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb] 1
#23758598 - 10/21/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The definition of 'god' is that of over 2500 historically cataloged gods so cherry pick the name you want to believe in.
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what do we call the super ego consciousness and unconsciousness within us all that will define who we become?
The Central Nervous System and Peripheral Nervous System.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: sudly]
#23758611 - 10/21/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spoken like a true INTP, like my brother. I meant changing it's definition from deities entirely. I think it more closely represents the unknown parts of our consciousness more than the "unknown" of what happens after death. I just wonder if it is possible.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23758646 - 10/21/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Again though I think the idea of 'god' is a mental construct of man. As far as I'm concerned the definition of god is an imaginary friend.
I think the unknown parts of our consciousness can be explained by Plato's idea of the Tripartite soul.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: sudly]
#23758663 - 10/21/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see what you are saying now, I suppose it could always mean an imaginary friend. I like Plato's theory, I just think that there is more to it than that of course. I have hope the definition will at least evolve as religion continues to die.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: sudly]
#23758669 - 10/21/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eastern philosophy has taught me that there is an unconsciousness within the mind that can be harnessed, while many atheists trust the modern Western view of psychology.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23758696 - 10/21/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Together with Freudian Theory and the Triune Brain theory there is a lot of context behind Plato's idea.

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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: sudly]
#23758749 - 10/21/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have seen the evidence before, I think that there is more to it than that though. This video is a really enlightening video by Sadhguru called What is God?
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23758767 - 10/21/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: sudly]
#23758792 - 10/21/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Love Stephen Fry, awesome response to the age old question! Hope you see some of Sadhguru's work as well.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb] 1
#23788159 - 10/31/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think complaint to God of 'Why would you make [worldly problem]' is case in point in complete misunderstanding of God and represents quite a naive and juvenile level of philosophy from a theological standpoint. Even talk of pearly gates and depicting God as external, even in a satirical sense, has deeper connotations.
The Old Testament is to blame for this in that God is portrayed as creator of the world and man, rather than the 'Father' who is eagerly awaiting return of the 'Son' (all of mankind) to return from their own venture.
The Prodigal Son story sums it up. I see the Earth experience as a spiritual 'day out' to witness existence remote from God in order to refine ourselves in wisdom and appreciation.
There's no logical reason why a 'Father' would cast out a 'Son' into exile.
It's the son who took liberty to depart and create, to witness being a creator, rather than standing as a mere product of the creator. Mankind is the generated who is witnessing ability to generate.
'Life' as we witness it seems to have an extreme magnitude, but this observation is only so because of the tiresome slur of time. In contrast to the eternal, 'life' as we know it is perhaps but a fleeting thought and 'God' is the only truth we've even known. Here we're in bondage to time. It's progressive advancement leads us to believe that it as all, whilst the truth seemingly dissipates as we travel the linear tract, yet 'God' is and has always been interwoven in our very being.
To depict it as outside is actually an atheism in itself.
It's an essence inbuilt as sure as parental DNA, which is the icon of the fact.
God is the Hang On of the Master System.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23789614 - 10/31/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP, please Define 'infinite'.
Define .. From the latin word : termino - Boundary, terminus Term - Limitation, restriction or regulation.
I think you're going to have problems redefining or even defining God. You can try though... Good luck
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: phio]
#23789660 - 10/31/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd say sentience can't exist without matter so God's out of the question.
If you do believe in god you're essentially saying sentience can exist without matter and that's rather irrational.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: sudly]
#23789704 - 10/31/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sudly said: I'd say sentience can't exist without matter so God's out of the question.
If you do believe in god you're essentially saying sentience can exist without matter and that's rather irrational.
Is it now?
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23789848 - 10/31/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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GodlessPleb said: God is some kind of deity to most people by definition, but then what do we call ...
'Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god?'
very funny
perhaps we should redefine 'rededine' first?
and of course there is the obvious reply to:
"Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god?"
HELLO --- anybody home here?
Why not ...
go ask God !
or
what makes you think there is any agreement anyway ?????????
as the wise man said:
everyone should believe in something, I believe I'll have another drink
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: laughingdog]
#23790210 - 11/01/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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God is just another placeholder term for the unknown.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23790313 - 11/01/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Each word. Is perfect, for what it is. Represents.
Have you ever had an experience, and immediately knew the word that described it - maybe you had heard the word once or twice spoken by an adult when you were a child.. and you knew, that this is exactly the word that it was meant to be.
Think about how you learn words as a child - the system is flawless - although, maybe, there should be an infinite number of words, if the universe is infinite. But entering that subtle realm.. the ultra-subtle.. the words somehow fail. We could create a new language of more subtle words - some kind of new invention - it wouldn't be the same as regular language. It would be something else. One day, we will conquer it. Some mad crazy genius will bring it to fruition.
I once had an ineffable experience. And I immediately knew.. that "Ineffable" was the word to describe it. I had never used the word before - maybe heard it in passing, didn't think much of it. I was on psilocybin mushrooms and reality became complete mystery. I KNEW, fully, that I had just experienced the ineffable.
Words come from above too, like a higher realm. They aren't man made like we think. For I have had words gifted to me in profound lucid dreams - dream beings telling me words I had never heard before, to describe things, related to God, or ultimate reality. I would later look up these words, in a dictionary - hardly used words, words that most would not be familiar with - but there they were - perfectly crafted.
Every word has a form, which exists in a higher realm. These words are more real than reality itself. Abstract, perfect, untouchable. We can intuit them because we are multi-dimensional - part of us lives in that higher realm - our own perfect form, the Human.
And God? It's a perfect word as well. And we intuit it's power and meaning. Once experienced, one can say, "Yes. This was God. It could be nothing but God. God and nothing else."
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we can only fully understand something after it's being given a name, and losing that abstraction therefrom, afterwards. you know, to see if the name holds up.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: sudly]
#23790590 - 11/01/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: God is just another placeholder term for the unknown.
true (IMO)
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sudly said: I'd say sentience can't exist without matter so God's out of the question.
If you do believe in god you're essentially saying sentience can exist without matter and that's rather irrational.
although I believe that our consciousness is rooted in the brain, I don't think that all sentience necessarily requires physical matter, as opposed to some kind of standing wave pattern capable of conditioning and resonance - not that life as a non-material energy form is a likely thing. It's just that we are not yet in a good position to declare unequivocally that phenomena for which we do not have good explanations do not exist.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23790815 - 11/01/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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'God' and 'gods' ARE loaded terms coming down the generations to us via the warrior cultures who follow a solar-phallic mythology
this includes the Nazi-Aryan meaning of superman. Ie a human becming 'godlike' like? ...well like 'God'. The One who can do evil things and call 'himself' all -pure goodness and consign 'sinners' to everlasting hell
So those who rebel against THAt 'God' want themselves to be 'gods' who then assume the role of superhuman who can exploit millions of people, and maim and murder and cause untold misery too, and think they can do that because they feel like gods. This is utter toxic myth
A far deeper understanding of 'god' is realizing its rooted mythical connection to the psychedelic mushrooms. THAT is the source of the 'gods' who were the original son, and lovers NOT of a male warrior sky creator 'God' but of a Goddess whose body is the very Earth also.
Remember this is metaphor, but it is far more intelligent than the solar God myth, because it is connected with nature, and this is what we need.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: zzripz]
#23790853 - 11/01/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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clearly the definition of any particular god is that it is better than all other or lesser gods.
the only part that works for me is that if you think one thing to it's absoluteness (as in god or deity of faith in some other thing it does not pay to question), it necessarily pushes all other things that you could think of, right out of your tiny brain.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23798687 - 11/03/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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GodlessPleb said: God is some kind of deity to most people by definition, but then what do we call the super ego consciousness and unconsciousness within us
It would appear ...
you are lost in words and/or abstract concepts and divorced from direct present time experiencing.
Seems metaphorically speaking: changing the flag you solute won't change whatever prompted the question.
I too have issues, but don't believe some general philosophic cleverness will resolve them.
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: laughingdog]
#23847911 - 11/19/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would think its not even properly defined, most people define god in a different way, thats why there is often so much debate and misunderstanding between people, especially religious people and atheists
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: morpheus85]
#23848135 - 11/19/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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morpheus85 said: I would think its not even properly defined, most people define god in a different way, thats why there is often so much debate and misunderstanding between people, especially religious people and atheists
seems true
many don't define, they just expect, and presto placebo! voila! holy!
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23850983 - 11/20/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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As in: "Good God, fuck me harder .... hhhh ... don't stop....hhhh oh GOOOOODDDD"?
little tricky to define that ... yet a most common usage of the word
then of course all the hypocritical statements using "God" at funerals
hmmm...now how do these usages relate?
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Re: Is It Possible to Redefine the Word god? [Re: laughingdog]
#23851016 - 11/20/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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fuck it or kill it? testosterone?
anyways, le petit morte, small death, sure, some letting go of self, feels pretty heavenly..... really being dead, total annihilation of self....... how does God fit into that picture?
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