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What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat?
    #23757446 - 10/21/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I searched all over this forum no luck to find the answer.

I'll prepare CVG mixture and need to know which I should use.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: noppie]
    #23757460 - 10/21/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Coir is pure coconut husks.  Coir peat is a mix of coir and Spaghnum peat moss


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: noppie]
    #23757466 - 10/21/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_peat


The article states near the bottom that "Trichoderma can be destroyed by Hydrogen Peroxide"..... Not sure if I believe THAT..... :lmao:


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23757481 - 10/21/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir is pure coconut husks.  Coir peat is a mix of coir and Spaghnum peat moss




Which is better for preparing CVG mixture?


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: noppie]
    #23757517 - 10/21/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir is pure coconut husks.  Coir peat is a mix of coir and Spaghnum peat moss




Which is better for preparing CVG mixture?




In my opinion - Coir....


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: morty422]
    #23757588 - 10/21/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I just started a journal using bulk shredded coir husk and coir. Small amounts but still viable and not at all controlled lol


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23757789 - 10/21/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My suggestion is to look at the details of what you buy. It should have the ingredients in your substrate listed.  A mix of coir and peat is okay, but I'd rather use pure coir.  Don't get any with fertilizer in it already. 

Mix up the coir and some fine grade vermiculite at a 70/30 ratio.  Throw in a little gypsum and you'll be good to go.  You can get coconut coir at many garden or reptile stores, just prep your substrate and pastuerize (or sterilize, or cook it, or whatever.  Coir is very versatile.) Then toss it all together with a few jars of clean spawn in a monotub and be happy. 

You don't have to use pure coir either.  Sometimes I buy a 50lb bag of moisture control hydrate coir and peat mixture, pasteurized it actually works great when mixed with a bit of vermiculite to correct field capacity and throwing in a couple handfuls of granular gypsum.  You can also buy what's called "jiffy mix seed starter" made by miracle grow.  It makes for a great casing substrate, which is also coir and peat.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23757818 - 10/21/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir peat is a mix of coir and Spaghnum peat moss



I wouldn't have thought it would contain regular peat moss. What brand(s) was this that you saw?

I think we need to know the brand that is being talked about here.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23757821 - 10/21/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: jiffy also has needed lime for ph balance... no fertilizer whatsoever


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: blackout]
    #23757850 - 10/21/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Coir peat is a mix of coir and Spaghnum peat moss



I wouldn't have thought it would contain regular peat moss. What brand(s) was this that you saw?

I think we need to know the brand that is being talked about here.





I think it's called hydrate.  Not sure the brand, think I got it at Walmart.  It did work great though.  I did see the official term coir peat is just describing a "peat-like" coir, but I recall them calling this brand of coir peat being a mix of coir and peat moss.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23757884 - 10/21/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it's called hydrate.  Not sure the brand, think I got it at Walmart.




Found a micracle grow product called "hydrate" but they do not call it "coir peat"



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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: blackout]
    #23757897 - 10/21/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yep that's it.  I believe it's on the ingredients of the bag though, but perhaps I'm mistaken, I don't have a bag of this currently.   

I usually check ingredients before I buy anything, labeling is sometimes inconsistent.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23757900 - 10/21/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Op what is the brand you are considering?


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23758067 - 10/21/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yep that's it.  I believe it's on the ingredients of the bag though,



Yeah, I could imagine it could be listed as an ingredient. The product is called hydrate though, obviously a brand name and clearly says its a mixture. From your first post it sounded like you were saying any product called "coir peat" would likely be a mixture like this. I think if a product is labelled as "coir peat" it would be coconut based, with maybe some additives, but not a mix with substantial amounts of regular peat moss.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: blackout]
    #23758174 - 10/21/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, you are right.  I've looked up several other examples as well, many do call it coir peat, as confusing or misleading as that may be, even for myself.  I was just suggesting to read the ingredients before buying as I've been through all different kinds of bagged substrates, and many of those labels we're very misleading until reading the actual ingredient list. 

For example, many of these substrates contain additional products (like the one above) only identify as "forest products".  I assume many kinds of bark, organic material, leaves, or other forest composts.    Any kind of pure coir I buy generally comes in dehydrated brick form, not in a bag, which is what I've found is a majority mixture of a wide gamut of products.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23759666 - 10/22/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you were to look at the wiki article I linked on post two or three -you would see that the 'coir peat' terminology you used sort of just means coir.

That being said- be on the lookout for items on sale that have mixtures.

I've always only trusted my pet store's reptile department to get me what I need.

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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: blackout]
    #23759803 - 10/22/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it's called hydrate.  Not sure the brand, think I got it at Walmart.




Found a micracle grow product called "hydrate" but they do not call it "coir peat"





I used this stuff and had bad luck with it for my casing bought jiffy mix and it worked way better i didnt pasteurize it well enough and had a mycena outbreak... besides that every tub i ran with it was really unhealthy looking mircale grow adds ferts and other shit plants love but no good for booms


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23759806 - 10/22/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I pasteurized using an oven bag method and have done at least 10 grows with this type of substrate.  It seems to work very well pasteurized and mixed with verm and gypsum.  Anything that has random "forest products" in it needs pasteurized, otherwise you're probably going to end up with a tub of trich, not mushrooms. 

Probably not quite as good as pure coco as I said though.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23759810 - 10/22/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I used it as a casing layer only ended up with trich a few times but it was probably due to other shit the myc would fully consume it and it just looked really unhealthy ... i ran it on maybe 20 tubs when the mycena popped up and pasty and nate flooded my ears that it was not a good idea


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23759819 - 10/22/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have not yet had one problem with using as a substrate.  Though as I said I pasteurized pretty well, and was pretty careful during the spawn runs.  Not pasteurizing this product is just asking for failure, whether it's used for casing or bulk. 

I only use this stuff when my supplier is out of coir blocks.  There would be absolutely no reason to get this stuff if you had coir and have some jiffy to case with.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23759822 - 10/22/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Im not doubting you man just saying with my grows it didnt do good


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23760228 - 10/22/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If it's coir mixed with peat then you have to pasteurize it, defeating the purpose of even fucking with coir at all..


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: blackout]
    #24859250 - 12/21/17 04:25 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Coir peat is a mix of coir and Spaghnum peat moss



I wouldn't have thought it would contain regular peat moss. What brand(s) was this that you saw?

I think we need to know the brand that is being talked about here.




I found this information from google, directly quoting " Coir is the outside layer of husk that surrounds the shell of the coconut. It consists mainly of fibres, which have traditionally been used to manufacture rope, carpets, doormats, upholstery stuffing, brushes etc. Between these fibres is the corky substance called coir pith or coir dust, which has recently been widely recognised as the superior growing medium in which to grow tomatoes, roses and many other crops. The horticulture industry often calls this substrate coco-peat (or cocopeat) or coir-peat. Sometimes it is known by similar sounding brand names."

Now I'm also wondering what I should ask for at the grow shop because they seem to stock up on this coco peat...


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: OriginalGinger]
    #24859750 - 12/21/17 10:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Cocopeat is coco coir. Its just marketing to try to make the coir attractive as a peat substitute.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24859838 - 12/21/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Ty bod. :smile:


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: OriginalGinger]
    #24859868 - 12/21/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I've seen coco peat next to the coir bricks at pet value and I avoid using them because it looks like there's little bits of green peat moss mixed in with the coir.

When I look up coco peat online I just see regular coir bricks.

I'll try to upload a pic later. I'm going to be picking up some coir today


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24860108 - 12/21/17 12:54 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah show us what it looks like, I can't show you a photo of the brick I'm going to buy because the site it's on is not a shroomery sponsor. But it basically looks like what I've seen going around on shroomery pics.

The guy I'm buying it from says it is just the husk of the coconut.


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: OriginalGinger]
    #24860438 - 12/21/17 03:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I went to pet value today and it's literally the first time it wasn't on the shelf coincidentally.
But by the sounds of it I hope you're getting compressed coir fibers and not just chunks of husk


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Re: What's difference between Coco Coir and Coco Peat? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #24860446 - 12/21/17 03:26 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Though some of these say peat, they are in fact just straight coco coir. Just bad wording. That MG product is a diff story. It clearly says peat moss. Also keep in mind that almost all MG products are charged with their nutrients, including their perlite.

Check Amazon

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