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Stuck Between Science and Spirituality
#23757289 - 10/21/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel stuck between science and spirituality, my whole life I have had dreams which have come true, I can remember these dreams as far back as 1st grade, I would dream something then the next day or sometime in the future it would happen exactly as I dreamt it. I have had dreams about friends having things happen to them, and they always came true exactly how I dreamt they would.
I have seen the spiritual world in action, so know there's something there. A good example would be I was sitting there with a couple dogs once, and felt a negative being approach, I was meditating and with my minds eye saw this thing come into the room, when I opened my eyes one of the dogs was getting up, growling, and had hair standing up on its back while facing right where the negative being was standing in my minds eye, so that to me is truth. People say animals and kids can see things adults cannot, so I figured that was what had happened, that's just one example.
But I love science, and find that I often define my beliefs as being called "spirit science". I think the truth of reality is within science and spirituality, but those things are pitted against each other to keep mankind in the dark, truth is found when you combine them.
Science tells me I am wrong for believing in the spiritual. Spirituality often claims science is wrong.
Why can't they just get along.
I sometimes feel like I should choose one or the other, but realize there's power in not choosing because the second you choose, you shackle yourself to all the energy which makes up one thing or another, rather than keeping that channel open to receive truths from myriad sources.
Do any of you guys vibe well with science and spirituality, and find they compliment each other?
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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When you look at the right angle, all sciences corroborate each others' stories, and in agreeance with spirituality.
For example, the universe operates the same under a microscope as it does through a telescope. The perfection in the forces of attraction and repulsion keeps atoms and solar systems in tact.
Spirituality view = yin yang/balance...the opposite forces are both equal and necessary and perfect.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757423 - 10/21/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I look at it as that ultimately there is one reality-system, but many possible maps of that reality. some maps can contradict each other, and all maps are incomplete representations. so you need the right map for the right application, all while not taking the map too seriously and to remember, You are that Reality-system
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: deff]
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deff said: You are that Reality-system 
What do you mean by this, can you explain in depth for me please? I sometimes make simple things very complex, it's a fault of mine because of how my brain is wired.
I like that grateful dead song called Eyes of the World because that's how I feel sometimes, like I am creating this whole reality and am the eyes of the world, but then I ask myself if I am creating this reality then why is there suffering, probably a dumb thought.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757697 - 10/21/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Science and Spirituality well end up in the same place soon
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757712 - 10/21/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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deepak chopra will put it all together for you.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757728 - 10/21/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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there are levels of reality that will never be available to us.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757733 - 10/21/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is tons of science that supports the benefits of spiritual practices.
There are also scientific justifications for spiritual ideas and there is harmony between new scientific discoveries and ancient spiritual teachings.
The supposed split between science and spirituality is a false dichotomy.
Properly understood science and spirituality are not at all incompatible.
Throughout history they have always gone hand in hand.
The seeker after truth should study both with an open mind.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said:
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deff said: You are that Reality-system 
What do you mean by this, can you explain in depth for me please? I sometimes make simple things very complex, it's a fault of mine because of how my brain is wired.
I like that grateful dead song called Eyes of the World because that's how I feel sometimes, like I am creating this whole reality and am the eyes of the world, but then I ask myself if I am creating this reality then why is there suffering, probably a dumb thought.
I mean that the reality we seek to describe and navigate, we ourselves are a part of. that it's easy to objectify the universe as external, but that we ourselves are the universe. nothing too profound or complex, but just a handy reminder not to get too dualistic in our view of self versus universe 
I agree with you that I think we are creating the realities we experience too, but I don't know the dynamics of how that operates, and also how it works with multiple beings sharing seemingly common realities, assuming this isn't just my own dream
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757748 - 10/21/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also "spirit science" is an interesting and entertaining YouTube series. You might want to check it out.
It's more new age than my own belief system but I enjoyed it nonetheless.
And to those who will say "but aren't you the new age level 89 chakra yoga Shaman?!"
Indeed I am. But my belief system is actually more grounded in traditional religious and spiritual systems rather than the new age movement per se.
I do find much of value in new age ideas but I plant myself within the ancient mystical raditions of Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity and Taoism, and my collection of crystals is embarrassingly small.
Also the smell of patchouli makes my stomach turn.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: deff]
#23757749 - 10/21/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like I said watch/read deepak chopra. you're going to get more out of that than wasting vast amounts of time on 1,000,000 drug addict theories
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757752 - 10/21/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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and yes, they do compliment each other.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757755 - 10/21/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deepak Chopra is great as far as I am concerned.
But I would suggest starting by reading the Dhammapadda, the Tao Teh Ching, the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, the Kybalion, and the Bhagavad Gita.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757803 - 10/21/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read that when I was 5.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757807 - 10/21/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Read what?
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757840 - 10/21/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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all of them.
lol j/k The tao is a great book.
what is the first cause moonshoe? who created the laws of physics, how did it all start in the first place? Holy God.
in the beginning God created the Earth, and it was good. It was VERY good. Then he created us and gave us dominion over all other creatures. We are RUINERS though and piss God off left and right from the very beginning. Dont eat from that tree, so what did we do? Ate off the tree. Now we have to wear clothes, we've decided money is the driving force, now we have cancer, and all this other shit that we ourselves have created so we can solve the problems we have created for ourselves.
Basically having a job is solving some sort of problem. if you're not solving problems you are creating them. My point is God is our creator. If you need proof look at the universe. God didnt create another Earth, he only gave us this one. And we are RUINING it. He's going to take it back. He will shake it and probably cover it with water again like he did before. Oh wait, it's going to be different. Smoke, fire, and brimstone... Atomic war.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757847 - 10/21/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the bible God made a covenant never to destroy the world by water again.
And yes we are ruining the natural world but we are also giving birth to a new form of life and intelligence.
The Singularity draws near and will give birth to the techno messiah, which shall remake the Heavens and the Earth in its own image.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757891 - 10/21/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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He did promise that. Jesus also promised he would return. I know this sounds crazy and I tell myself all the time that I am nuts for thinking this, but I think it will be soon. I think he will return in our generation.
He couldnt till the fig tree blossomed, which was 1948 when Israel again became a nation after 2000 years. According to the bible the signs of the later days are appearing before our eyes. It says Russia and China will converge in the middle east, there will be wars and rumors of wars. nation will rise against nation. The battle will be at the Euphrates river where Isis headquarters is.
Make no mistake about it, the atoms will be dropping on the USA. When that happens Israel will be open for attack, the battle begins. It is not a matter of if, its WHEN. It's coming. He's coming.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757904 - 10/21/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know it sounds insane, and I probably am, but I figure it's better to be safe than sorry. It can happen any day. Isis already has biological and chemical weapons in Europe our own military says so. They will get nuclear weapons, probably through pakistan. And its not all that far fetched to think Russia may actually supply isis with them to blow up the US. I really don't want to be here to deal with it either.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757932 - 10/21/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is indeed better to be safe than sorry and that is why we should all work diligently on both our material preparations for the coming tribulations and also the salvation of our immortal Souls in preparation for the transition to infinity and eternity.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23758045 - 10/21/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Science and the reason anything exists is because of the Creator. Science can be used for good but mostly nowadays it's used for evil. Controlling the masses, surveillance, weapons of war, hiding the truth from the populace, making stupid drugs that numb people and mask their symptoms yet don't fix the cause, etc.
Science in itself is a religion that takes faith.... And many scientist used lab rats to study human behavior... If you wanna believe you're on the same level as rats and monkeys then....
Anyways, I was just watching this video last night... Pretty cool.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles] 1
#23758161 - 10/21/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ever read the greeks? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physis
Find a static point, which you write and ascribe to, and a stream you dip into for particular observations. All science begins with the relation and variations and principles of being and becoming, and like the greeks show. Both science and pre-science/protoscience studies "nature", with the implicit meaning of that term somewhat varying. Western science is naturally pretty rigorous in its conception but there are terms that precede the particular slant of a disciplined scientist, that can be taken from, in more general ways.
Observation and consistency of approach can be considered the terms of meditation. That doesn't mean you are going to be coming to people with your data, looking for validation, that way as a rule, but you can more or less do the same thing as scientists proceeding to work between flow of things and staticity, (being and becoming, arising and ceasing.)
Sometimes you have to break down the principles, that are too formalized, and as long as you don't get confused by what your intentions are, it can be perfectly alright. Don't look to authority, look to experience. That is what all ways of seeking say. So meditation can be to you scientific, without the particularly externalized need to confirm or validate. You can find that consistently inwardly, in the directness of again, being and becoming, and arising and ceasing.
Yoic practice, is sometimes called "science" when it comes to translation into western values. For example, "right knowledge", or pramana in the Yoga Sutras, can concern a pretty inticrate system of knowledge, based on logic, and beginning with observation, and including reliable testament, but it is considered a fluctuation (a mind state), among priorities that go beyond knowledge. Yogas-Citta-Vrtti-Nirodha - yoga is cessation of the fluctuations of the mind. Though there is integrity, it is going to be a little different than the modern western procedure, which finds truth, static representation as things everyone can see, and confirm, that latter point being spelled out. Pramana is considered in the yoga sutras, a fluctuating mind state, if a "non-detrimental" one. It is not the basis, or not the static point, for yoga in other words, whereas knowledge in a particular conception, is basic to western science.
You can read about pramana in the first 10 or so of Patanjali's yoga sutras. There are better and worse translations. But maybe the system may help you learn to classify and understand and it may help you ground the priorities of meditative practice and a study of consciousness that both precedes representationalism, and goes beyond it.
Hope that maybe this information is useful. Try a google search for "pramana".
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23758355 - 10/21/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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what is the danger of science?
check this out:
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"The main point of Laing's attack was that science, as it is practiced today, has no way of dealing with consciousness, or with experience, values, ethics, or anything referring to quality. "This situation derives from something that happened in European consciousness at the time of Galileo and Giordano Bruno", Laing began his argument. "These two men epitomize two paradigms - Bruno, who was tortured and burned for saying that there were infinite worlds; and Galileo, who said that the scientific method was to study this world as if there were no consciousness and no living creatures in it. Galileo made the statement that only quantifiable phenomena were admitted to the domain of science. Galileo said: "Whatever cannot be measured and quantified is not scientific"; and in post-Galilean science this came to mean: "What cannot be measured and quantified is not real." This has been the most profound corruption from the Greek view of nature as physis, which is alive, always in transformation, and not divorced from us. Galileo's programme offers us a dead world: Out go sight, sound, taste, touch, and smell, and along with them have since gone esthetic and ethical sensibility, values, quality, soul, consciousness, spirit. Experience as such is cast out of the realm of scientific discourse. Hardly anything has changed our world more during the past four hundred years than Galileo's audacious program. We had to destroy the world in theory before we could destroy it in practice." (Uncommon Wisdom: Conversations with remarkable people, Fritjof Capra, page 139)
How true is this?! Today also there is great worry and confusion about 'consciousness' in science, eg physics, and neuroscience etc ('spirit' is taboo).
Experience is devalued. But our essential being is experience what is the danger of spirituality?
When 'invisible' ideas, mythical characters, gods, spirits are literalized. We can see in history that when they are is when terrible things will happen---sacrifice of animals, humans. Sacrifice of parts of ones own body, even mutilation of babies and children, as is the case in Judaism with 'circumcision'
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
#23758372 - 10/21/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What matters is state of consciousness.
Spirituality is the experience of an elevated state of consciousness.
Science can offer us methods of achieving elevated states of consciousness (drugs, biofeedback etc ) and it can validate existing spiritual methods of attaining elevated states of consciousness (the science proving the benefits of yoga and meditation).
Science as knowledge can never replace the direct experience of elevated states of consciousness.
The cultivation and experiencing of those states is what we call spirituality.
A lifetime of studying and practicing science can never equal or replace a single moment of spiritual experience, any more then a lifetime of studying sexuality can ever equal a single moment of making love.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23758440 - 10/21/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Science and spirituality are viewing reality through different cognitive functions (or combinations of functions)
If you're a Te type, you're gonna be a science person
If you're a Ti type, you're gonna be a pseudoscience person
Spiritual experiences themselves are an intuition thing (Ni: mystical experience, I guess Ne would be stuff that happens outside you like seeing ghosts in your environment)
You can't use science to debunk pseudoscience, that's like debunking English with Chinese. They're different cognitive territories that can't communicate with each other. Pseudoscience doesn't give a shit about proof because it's subjective to begin with and has no problem with that
You can't use pseudoscience to "prove" anything objectively, because objective proof only matters ("exists") in Te land
You can't use either thinking function to experience the supernatural
I'm a Ti person who happily left science behind
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: 100_the_cat]
#23758507 - 10/21/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the origin of these types you are describing ?
Like what psychometric system are you referring to ?
Also, let not confuse pseudoscience with spirituality.
Pseudoscience refers to false science, scientific sounding ideas that don't stand up to scrutiny.
Spirituality on the other hand is something essential to the human condition having to do with the experience of transcendent states of consciousness.
It doesn't need to, and usually doesn't try to, pass as science, and science generally verifies it benefits.
Examples of Pseudoscience include phrenology, orgone energy and Dr. Emoto's water crystallization studies.
Examples of spirituality include yoga, meditation and astral projection.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23758513 - 10/21/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah but you cant take any material possessions with you.
which leads me to say i just discovered that no where in the bible does the word rapture appear. It makes it really REALLY hard to believe in truth when people claim and say something is truth only to find out later they were lying. WTF. words may as well not have meaning anymore.
plus also PPL=SHT
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The vast majority of what you have been taught about Christianity or the bible is not biblical.
Mainstream Christianity as commonly understood has very little relation to what is actually in the bible.
This situation persists because very few Christians ever read any of the bible, much less the whole thing.
If you want to understand Christianity, try to forget everything you have ever been taught or think you know because most of that is lies or mistakes inherited from other people who were lied to or mistaken.
Then, read the bible.
Even then you will still be mislead by dishonest translations.
For example, the idea of hell is a lie.
In the bible where the word hell appears, it is a translation of one of three words (Sheol, Hades or Gehenna) and none of those words means what people think of as hell.
Hell as a place of eternal torture for sinners and non believers is an absolute fabrication and a blasphemous lie.
Most of the occurrences of hell in the bible are translations of Hades or Sheol, both of which refer to a generic land of the dead where all dead people go regardless of religion, belief or moral conduct.
These words refer to an afterlife where all dead people go , good or bad.
Hades / Sheol are in no way places of torture or torment.
In a few places the word translated as hell is Gehenna.
Gehenna is also not a place of eternal torture. Instead Gehenna means purgatory, a place where some people must experience temporary suffering to cleanse their misdeeds.
The conventional "Christian" idea of hell as a fiery place of Neverending torture for anyone who doesn't accept Christ as their savior is an absolute blasphemous lie.
This is just one example of how virtually everything most people think of as Christianity is completely invalid from a scriptural perspective, and also an example of how much manipulation and misunderstanding there is in Christian doctrine.
This is why you must not accept what you have been told as truth but instead do your own research and question everything.
Don't listen to pastors or preachers, read the bible yourself, and also educate yourself on the history of how the bible has been edited and manipulated for political reasons, particularly during the council of Nicea.
Be aware that many books of the bible were cut out during that period and that those "apocryphal" works may be much closer to the truth than what was left in.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: The vast majority of what you have been taught about Christianity or the bible is not biblical.
Mainstream Christianity as commonly understood has very little relation to what is actually in the bible.
This situation persists because very few Christians ever read any of the bible, much less the whole thing.
If you want to understand Christianity, try to forget everything you have ever been taught or think you know because most of that is lies or mistakes inherited from other people who were lied to or mistaken.
Then, read the bible.
Even then you will still be mislead by dishonest translations.
For example, the idea of hell is a lie.
In the bible where the word hell appears, it is a translation of one of three words (Sheol, Hades or Gehenna) and none of those words means what people think of as hell.
Hell as a place of eternal torture for sinners and non believers is an absolute fabrication and a blasphemous lie.
Most of the occurrences of hell in the bible are translations of Hades or Sheol, both of which refer to a generic land of the dead where all dead people go regardless of religion, belief or moral conduct.
These words refer to an afterlife where all dead people go , good or bad.
Hades / Sheol are in no way places of torture or torment.
In a few places the word translated as hell is Gehenna.
Gehenna is also not a place of eternal torture. Instead Gehenna means purgatory, a place where some people must experience temporary suffering to cleanse their misdeeds.
The conventional "Christian" idea of hell as a fiery place of Neverending torture for anyone who doesn't accept Christ as their savior is an absolute blasphemous lie.
This is just one example of how virtually everything most people think of as Christianity is completely invalid from a scriptural perspective, and also an example of how much manipulation and misunderstanding there is in Christian doctrine.
This is why you must not accept what you have been told as truth but instead do your own research and question everything.
Don't listen to pastors or preachers, read the bible yourself, and also educate yourself on the history of how the bible has been edited and manipulated for political reasons, particularly during the council of Nicea.
Be aware that many books of the bible were cut out during that period and that those "apocryphal" works may be much closer to the truth than what was left in.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
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That is not what Jesus said about hell, and he talks about hell a lot. I know hades isnt hell tho. Have you read the bible? I'm doing it now and have been for weeks. There's a lot of things so far that dont make sense and arent what people have been saying, and it angers me because I want to know the truth, and people who quote scripture start filling in blanks and making up shit or outright lying just really piss me off. I think most of these preachers do it for profit. shaaaaaame
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23760599 - 10/22/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes , I have been reading the bible all my life, and have read it in its entirety from cover to cover, word for word.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe] 1
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sprinkles said: deepak chopra will put it all together for you.
I have a dilemma, I don't want to immerse myself in any spiritual text to deeply, even though I know the Buddhist literature I have been reading recently is wonderful, I want to experience God on my own, without to many outsides influences. I just feel like if God is some great thing, then why cant I write my own spiritual text in my soul? Why must I rely on the other people to help clarify things for me, if God is great, then God will have to come and talk to me on its own, and show me it loves me, and should have no problem talking to me without the middleman.
I feel like this is why many religious people feel debased after having followed a faith for numerous years, with no real change being evident, because they chose to form their relationship with the deity they served through a middleman (pastor, shaman, holy man), rather than demand the most high to talk with them in person. Mother Teresa said she felt like God wasn't listening after devoting her life to her version of deity, when you read about stuff like that it makes you wonder that either A. This is all a huge pile of rubish, or B. they approached the subject wrong, I favor option B, because I have experienced enough strange things to know that there's something going on with spirituality.
If I have kids I don't tell one of them to form a relationship with me through their older sibling, that would be wrong, I should show that child that I am there for it by having a one on one relationship with it, this forms a proper bond and trust, which is paramount to proper relationships.
Is it so much to ask the same of God? To want that one on one relationship in such an intimate way? To not want a middleman to help me figure things out? I am your son, your creation, here I am, you're my mother, my father, my all, so answer me, I demand it because I would do anything I had to do to change my life to your love, I am willing, I am able, I am humble, speak to me. I get angry and feel like it's not in a negative way, but in a proper way, because I feel like God has made promises, and promises are meant to be kept, so I am only asking for fulfillment on my end, and if I need to change some things, which I am human so am sure I will be changing some things my whole life in order to continue growing, then I will change them.
I can have patience, because some lessons are only learned through patiently waiting, and thinking about the issues at hand, but don't forget I am human, and will doubt from time to time, but I think getting through those periods of doubt, strengthen the bond between God and myself.
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Moonshoe said: Also "spirit science" is an interesting and entertaining YouTube series. You might want to check it out.
Spirit science is not for me, I have seen some of those vids years ago, and there's some truth in there, but overall I just don't vibe well with some of what is said. I think like you said MS, that I am bit more grounded than that, maybe not though, I don't know what I would call myself, eccentric mystic perhaps.
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Moonshoe said: But I would suggest starting by reading the Dhammapadda, the Tao Teh Ching, the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, the Kybalion, and the Bhagavad Gita.
I am familiar with The Emerald Tablets of Thoth, but the others I have only flirted with briefly.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23761232 - 10/22/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really recommend you don't bother with any Reading and instead just focus that time and energy on actually meditating.
All you need to do is sit down cross legged, straight back, eyes closed and focus all your attention on your inhalation through the nose then exhale through the mouth focusing all your attention on the exhalation .
It's that simple. You just focus all your attention on your breathing.
In through the mouth, out through the nose.
That's it!
And if you maintain this practice with discipline you will attain enlightenment.
Every hour spent on reading is infinitely better spent on practice.
You could read the best spiritual books for your entire life and never attain enlightenment.
It's like this - imagine spending years reading every book about weightlifting. At the end of those years of reading you won't be able to lift a single pound more than you could before you started.
If a good book takes ten hours to read, that's ten hours better spent meditating.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23761268 - 10/22/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a dilemma, I don't want to immerse myself in any spiritual text to deeply, even though I know the Buddhist literature I have been reading recently is wonderful, I want to experience God on my own, without to many outsides influences. I just feel like if God is some great thing, then why cant I write my own spiritual text in my soul? Why must I rely on the other people to help clarify things for me, if God is great, then God will have to come and talk to me on its own, and show me it loves me, and should have no problem talking to me without the middleman.
I feel like this is why many religious people feel debased after having followed a faith for numerous years, with no real change being evident, because they chose to form their relationship with the deity they served through a middleman (pastor, shaman, holy man), rather than demand the most high to talk with them in person. Mother Teresa said she felt like God wasn't listening after devoting her life to her version of deity, when you read about stuff like that it makes you wonder that either A. This is all a huge pile of rubish, or B. they approached the subject wrong, I favor option B, because I have experienced enough strange things to know that there's something going on with spirituality.
If I have kids I don't tell one of them to form a relationship with me through their older sibling, that would be wrong, I should show that child that I am there for it by having a one on one relationship with it, this forms a proper bond and trust, which is paramount to proper relationships.
Is it so much to ask the same of God? To want that one on one relationship in such an intimate way? To not want a middleman to help me figure things out? I am your son, your creation, here I am, you're my mother, my father, my all, so answer me, I demand it because I would do anything I had to do to change my life to your love, I am willing, I am able, I am humble, speak to me. I get angry and feel like it's not in a negative way, but in a proper way, because I feel like God has made promises, and promises are meant to be kept, so I am only asking for fulfillment on my end, and if I need to change some things, which I am human so am sure I will be changing some things my whole life in order to continue growing, then I will change them.
I can have patience, because some lessons are only learned through patiently waiting, and thinking about the issues at hand, but don't forget I am human, and will doubt from time to time, but I think getting through those periods of doubt, strengthen the bond between God and myself.
Yeah I used to be the same as you. Not wanting any outside influences to determine my beliefs. And it's totally possible as long as you have a good judge of character. This could be extremely hard to do though when you're constantly bombarded with information through the media, internet, music, movies, etc. on top of that you don't know who's agenda you're actually believing. Yes, there's a hidden agenda that wants you to think a certain way to enslave the masses. Many people fall victim to this. Most movies are based off of either the new or old testament. You probably don't know it but you're being taught religion in movies.
Anyways, as far as reading the texts. I find that if whatever I'm reading sounds rubbish than I just read it for fun but if I find it useful than I'll absorb it into my daily life. You need the experience in order to accept or deny scripture. Also, I've come across quite a few people who have had different interpretations and beliefs according to their readings so you see it all comes down to the individual.
Personally, I wish I would've read the bible a long long time ago when my grandma told me to. It would've saved me a lot of confusion, energy, and grief.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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God speaks more than anyone you now. Its up to people to listen. He gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason, we need to listen twice as much as we speak.
as far as the middleman goes, you cant learn without experiencing. Our conscious mind is only made of things that have been repeated to us. That is knowing.
Unless it is infused knowledge the way we learn things is through the experiences of others and ourselves. To not listen to others thoughts or opinions would limit us only to learning through our own experiences, and that would make for some very VERY hard lessons and evolution would be extremely slow. BTW that's what mentors are for. I will accept learning in any form it comes, any way I can get it. I dont care through what means.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
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sprinkles said: To not listen to others thoughts or opinions would limit us only to learning through our own experiences
I am asking for God to be my mentor, not some earthly being, that might be stupid, but I demand it.
I never said I completely abstain from reading spiritual text, or not listen to others opinions on such matters, I have learned a good bit from some of the members that post here, and in the regular world I am always trying to talk to people about spiritual matters to see if there's something there I need to hear, and then apply to my life.
If God is present in all life, then I should be able to gain the same insight the texts offers, just from interacting with all of God's creation, verse is written in the fabric of our being, I think people looking outside of themselves for the text, rather than inside themselves, create confusion in the mind.
We have a more intimate relationship with God then we realize. We have lost this connection because of there being so many outside sources stimulating us, all we have to do is have reverence for nature, love towards all living things on this planet, and the answers will come forth from creation, because the lessons which are written in our beings, are written in ever living thing.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23762868 - 10/23/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Deepak Chopra is great as far as I am concerned.
But I would suggest starting by reading the Dhammapadda, the Tao Teh Ching, the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, the Kybalion, and the Bhagavad Gita.
Some Fritjof Capra first Oh zzripz bet me to it  David Bohm is worth a look too
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23763303 - 10/23/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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change 'God' to Goddess
don't take either literally as they are metaphors. But understand critically what each myth/story is saying and how they're radically different from each other, and what this means for our sense of reality
IE the 'God' myth is coming from a solar myth which identifies 'God' with light and 'darkness' with threat, ignorance, and even evil Obviously 'solar' means sun. And it can be seen that when the metaphor of sun is taken literally for 'God' then there happened/s a duality between light and dark, and light is associated with the masculine and 'God' and 'spirit' and darkness is associated with the feminine, and the physical body, emotions, and nature
But when the mythos is lunar based, lunar meaning Moon, we can see that unlike the sum, when moon is used as metaphor there is BOTh dark and light in playful every changing dynamic. And thus there is no dualistic confrontation between darkness and light, but rather intelligent awareness that light and dark always are together, and you cannot not only NOT have one without the other, you cannot know one without the other
Example see this what is being typed as 'dark' and the ground it's being typed on as 'light'. Say that the ground was dark, how you could you read the words, and understand the meaning of what's being said. Or say the text was as light as the background, could you read it?
Yet in the 'God' myths they promise you to get rid of darkness, and 'evil' and 'death' for ever and ever and ever. Which is of course absurd and makes no sense
This doesn't mean evil is good and should continue, but rather that when dynamic reality, and nature, is not understood is when the dualistic mindset wants never-ending war with itself which causes the destruction of everything! This is what I am seeing happening in the world.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
#23763559 - 10/23/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very well said , I never thought of that before.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
#23763680 - 10/23/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was watching a program about the bible on the history channel. There are sections of the bible that are missing. One being that when God created Adam he created a woman (Lilith) from the dust that was equal to Adam. When Adam wanted her to be subservient to him, she refused and asked to leave to never return. God then created Eve from Adams rib. I found that interesting.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23763753 - 10/23/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think studying the Apocrypha is essential.
Check out the book of Enoch if you really want to blow your mind.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
#23764213 - 10/23/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: I was watching a program about the bible on the history channel. There are sections of the bible that are missing. One being that when God created Adam he created a woman (Lilith) from the dust that was equal to Adam. When Adam wanted her to be subservient to him, she refused and asked to leave to never return. God then created Eve from Adams rib. I found that interesting.
Yes, I thought Lilith wanted to have sex on top, which Adam would not have because he was a man, and Christianity is very male dominated, so Adam kicked her to the curb for a more submissive woman (Eve).
I think Lilith went on to be a demon, or something like that, she has sex with men to get spirit babies which she used for nefarious purposes, I could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I have read up on such things.
I was in a trance once and masturbated in a grove of trees with several female witches watching, I offered my semen to Lilith, and it was one of their holy days (Beltane). Such a strange memory.
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zzripz said: change 'God' to Goddess
don't take either literally as they are metaphors. But understand critically what each myth/story is saying and how they're radically different from each other, and what this means for our sense of reality
IE the 'God' myth is coming from a solar myth which identifies 'God' with light and 'darkness' with threat, ignorance, and even evil Obviously 'solar' means sun. And it can be seen that when the metaphor of sun is taken literally for 'God' then there happened/s a duality between light and dark, and light is associated with the masculine and 'God' and 'spirit' and darkness is associated with the feminine, and the physical body, emotions, and nature
But when the mythos is lunar based, lunar meaning Moon, we can see that unlike the sum, when moon is used as metaphor there is BOTh dark and light in playful every changing dynamic. And thus there is no dualistic confrontation between darkness and light, but rather intelligent awareness that light and dark always are together, and you cannot not only NOT have one without the other, you cannot know one without the other
Example see this what is being typed as 'dark' and the ground it's being typed on as 'light'. Say that the ground was dark, how you could you read the words, and understand the meaning of what's being said. Or say the text was as light as the background, could you read it?
Yet in the 'God' myths they promise you to get rid of darkness, and 'evil' and 'death' for ever and ever and ever. Which is of course absurd and makes no sense
This doesn't mean evil is good and should continue, but rather that when dynamic reality, and nature, is not understood is when the dualistic mindset wants never-ending war with itself which causes the destruction of everything! This is what I am seeing happening in the world.
I believe much truth can be found in the marriage of the sun and moon.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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Keep in mind there was no Christianity in the time of Adam. Not for thousands of years later.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23764369 - 10/23/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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my point is women were created equal. unfortunately over the many hundreds of years certain documents have been purposefully excluded by people who believe that women should be subservient.
It is a shame and soooo very wrong (not because I think women are so great) but because it takes away from the real truth. It skews the truth and replaces it with doubt. It causes me (and others im sure) to question everything. I cant believe in something when info has been omitted or altered to fit some fucking assholes belief system.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23764512 - 10/23/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fortunately the things that were omitted (the Apocrypha) are at your fingertips and you can read it all with a simple Google search!
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
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Fennario, I'm a scientist and I understand and appreciate this quandary.
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There is tons of science that supports the benefits of spiritual practices.
From self-compassion research to meditation, and much more, that's absolutely correct
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Like I said watch/read deepak chopra. you're going to get more out of that than wasting vast amounts of time on 1,000,000 drug addict theories
Understanding the nature of what causes addiction is a "waste" of time?
(Deepak's views on what causes misery are not original to him.)
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Fennario said: Why must I rely on the other people to help clarify things for me, if God is great, then God will have to come and talk to me on its own, and show me it loves me...
"God is love" (1 John 4:8)
Many people say god = love. (Much different than god is a spirit who has loving characteristics)
God doesn't love you. You are love, deep within you, beyond the facade of self identity.
There are no beliefs you need to adopt. There are no goals you need to attain.
Awakening is a destructive process. Tearing down the constructs of our self-centeredness.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
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I have often thought of these correlations, but never really had the whole picture till now. It was a part of why I decided to change my name to Solaire Stalskie. Other part being inspired by the character Solaire in Dark Souls. You share such amazing information and write in a very clear and thought provoking way!
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said: I feel stuck between science and spirituality, my whole life I have had dreams which have come true, I can remember these dreams as far back as 1st grade, I would dream something then the next day or sometime in the future it would happen exactly as I dreamt it. I have had dreams about friends having things happen to them, and they always came true exactly how I dreamt they would.
I have seen the spiritual world in action, so know there's something there. A good example would be I was sitting there with a couple dogs once, and felt a negative being approach, I was meditating and with my minds eye saw this thing come into the room, when I opened my eyes one of the dogs was getting up, growling, and had hair standing up on its back while facing right where the negative being was standing in my minds eye, so that to me is truth. People say animals and kids can see things adults cannot, so I figured that was what had happened, that's just one example.
But I love science, and find that I often define my beliefs as being called "spirit science". I think the truth of reality is within science and spirituality, but those things are pitted against each other to keep mankind in the dark, truth is found when you combine them.
I definitely feel a lot of what you are saying. I have had experiences and interactions with friends that just can't be explained other than by coincidence, but that doesn't always seem to be the case. Once my girlfriend had a dream about some friends saying hello while riding a blue horse, like something our of Avatar, and then the very next morning they messaged us saying that they had a dream about us and that they DID ride a blue horse in their dream. They also hilariously enough had watched Avatar the night before the dream. Intuition is a misunderstood part of the brain I think, we really don't understand the brain as much as people think.
The truth is often in-between like you said. I really feel the need to speak out about the divide between scientific healing and spiritual healing. So much of modern medicine throws out the possibility of a cure in order to just sell temporary fixes to people that are often addictive and life destroying. Modern medicine has made invaluable advances in saving lives but it's arrogance has also claimed countless. The ancient healing of the East, such as meditation and massage, can heal so many mental and physical problems that people often turn to temporary cures for.
Linked is John Oliver's latest exposé on evil corporations talking specifically about opioids.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: GodlessPleb]
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I think the contributing factors of a waste land...like a disagreement of science and spirituality..are likely factors of the mind..relating to ego..because if we discover something scientifically..we engage our minds and go to those ends necessarily..but if we solve something spiritually we can share it with the world..like on this forum for example..
So the scientists are ego maniacs..and they cant handle a note or even a handle of difference compared to their mechanistic.. and materialistic world mind frame...but in great degrees do I digress..into a little bit about electronics...the computer is a sort of learn taker..that calls it self a Hearse..and the counter of a common mobility..is a module for modul..and often times called Mobile..common monopoly on the San Franciscan Right of the Good Friar himself..which IS Pope Francis! Indeed the karmic Entanglements..are always settled on earth..where the Wreath to the remote..is a logical torture..if you have done wrong..and then the Endier Gates...which are based on Bill Gates Philosophy..of time and matter,...is indeed a Heidigger..in the Comment of note taking itself..which is an observation matter..for the remote viewer and psychic alike!
So the combination of observation leads one to suspect..that each one of the phases is also shouldered on..and cogent with observation..for that is what we are here to do..at a minimum..we dont have to move unless we want to..but we will get rigor mortis and a collumbined flower is decent note of respect..indeed the ratio of time to eternity..is based on this present moment..and so you can take everything as a culmination of instants..or call the whole world and everything in it..One instant indeed..and that is the Prophet of the Internet..which is a psychic vehicle for Rotillary(Which is on the 6th Dimension or otherwise Time/Love) and therefore the Rotilitary on the evidence of the cycle..is in a phase shift..from going from 6th dimensional hardness..or base density...into the coming 7th shift..which is more about perception..and then therefore we can conclude..that everything is based on observation..for we can never get away from it..and there in lies the judge of time..which is a frame of reference..or subjective witness..or Jehovah's Witness..itself..which is the thing in itself..and so I solve a Great problem in Philosophy..by noting my observations..as a minimal limit..of experienciality.. which is a Great degree in itself..and to the minds and the limits of the day..we are Free for all inside the Harrier Jet..and the Long Lasting Lancaster Bomber..indeed is a rail inside and the conformity..of a glove..and a ruined knight..or night to betroth..Margaret long..indeed is a sacred religion true..to the point of nose speak..or cherished speak..which is about the lessons of a woman's fertility..and
So what Ive found is that the connections between spirituality and science are Observation..!!
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: BrendanFlock]
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So the scientists are ego maniacs..and they cant handle a note or even a handle of difference compared to their mechanistic.. and materialistic world mind frame...
That's quite a generalization.
How do you feel about researchers such as Freud who study and assign cause and effect to human misery?
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Ok, i was just taking a bit of a gag...lots of scientists today are a bit open minded...but some are afraid to broach the science of magic and miracles..
Cause and effect is always going on..it would be amazing to me if any person can map it at all..or in any section..
It's my goal in life..to indeed map the entire causm of human history..blending into the current moment..and a projection of a future that will come true..and for the right and wrong reasons combined...
And I think that would be the end of the apple so to speak..to know all the temporary continuum...and still do right by your self and others..
Do you have any quotes or ideas by Freud that show this?
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: BrendanFlock]
#23784289 - 10/30/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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For example, Freud said depression is anger turned inward.
(If that doesn't hit the nail on the head!)
Science doesn't have much to say about the origins of violent rage, jealousy, schadenfreude, and neurosis (depression, anxiety) and eating disorders, serial arson, addiction, serial rapists, child abusers, terrorists, stalkers, narcissists etc.
Except, of course, the disease theory. There's a lot of the biological defect theory out there.
Freud and his contemporaries, and current behavioral psychologists and psychoanalysts study causal forces of neuroses, which arise from intrapsychic conflict (conflict between different drives, impulses, beliefs) and skewed self-image. And of course the effect of our childhood development, when most children didn't receive the healthy care required for mental health and stability, and were harmed by the neurotic ways of their parents.
Just rambling here - a few off the cuff thoughts, like most of my posts
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23787771 - 10/31/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually evolutionary biology has pretty good scientific explanations for most of those things.
Violent jealousy for example is a pretty clear example of a biological instinct based on the genetic imperative to ensure your own genetics and not those of a rival male are passed on, hence the instinct to use violence to protect your mate from sexual rivals.
There are equally strong evolutionary biology explanations for those other things as well.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23788004 - 10/31/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fennario said: I feel stuck between science and spirituality, my whole life I have had dreams which have come true, I can remember these dreams as far back as 1st grade, I would dream something then the next day or sometime in the future it would happen exactly as I dreamt it. I have had dreams about friends having things happen to them, and they always came true exactly how I dreamt they would.
I have seen the spiritual world in action, so know there's something there. A good example would be I was sitting there with a couple dogs once, and felt a negative being approach, I was meditating and with my minds eye saw this thing come into the room, when I opened my eyes one of the dogs was getting up, growling, and had hair standing up on its back while facing right where the negative being was standing in my minds eye, so that to me is truth. People say animals and kids can see things adults cannot, so I figured that was what had happened, that's just one example.
But I love science, and find that I often define my beliefs as being called "spirit science". I think the truth of reality is within science and spirituality, but those things are pitted against each other to keep mankind in the dark, truth is found when you combine them.
Science tells me I am wrong for believing in the spiritual. Spirituality often claims science is wrong.
Why can't they just get along.
I sometimes feel like I should choose one or the other, but realize there's power in not choosing because the second you choose, you shackle yourself to all the energy which makes up one thing or another, rather than keeping that channel open to receive truths from myriad sources.
Do any of you guys vibe well with science and spirituality, and find they compliment each other?
Science and spirituality do get along in many cases.
Some Kabbalistic principles as an example, ride upon science and life facts to establish spiritual contrast.
The world is to be seen as an outward tangible projection of spiritual principle.
Science relinquishes when perception dies and the projector is all that's left. Some are invested more in the projection than the projector and that's where it could be argued where the problem resides.
Science and spirituality aren't mutually exclusive. They are one of the same thing. They don't prove the presence of each other. They are protocols of a same truth. Science is just more remote from the core as a byproduct.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Duncan Rowhl] 1
#23788651 - 10/31/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have been laying down at night to get out of my body and let my mind wander, and I get a visual of pink light in a double helix coming out of my chest, and all I can think when this is happening is "into the future" those words keep going through my mind, I see Baphomet, Satan, Belial, and other beings associated with that side of life on one side, and on the other side I see Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, and other people/deities on that side of life, both sides are trying to get that pink helix to them, like it's a competition, but this light only goes up and into space, so this to me represents a marriage of spirit and science, my spirit (love/pink light) and science (space).
My whole life I have had these thoughts of pink light coming from my being, I would visualize it often, I would see a very overweight person while I was out running and they were trying to get into shape, I would visualize large pink hands coming from my being and wrapping them in love and encouraging them to never give up, I want humans to succeed. So this pink light has been associated with me for some time, and it's funny because in new agey belief systems, which I don't subscribe to I should add, pink is associated with love, and with my zodiac, but I am not new agey at all.
This is going to sound far out there, but I want to be universal in love, universal in thought, and this earth feels like a trap in many ways. I can't explain this enough, but I don't feel fear, paranoia, mental instability in anyway, and I would be able to humble myself and admit if I did, because I only want to grow. I feel at peace, like knowing what the true nature of reality is to me, makes me feel a complete calm.
I feel like if a person accesses what I think is true love within their being, and we all have it we just often forget we do due to being influenced by outside sources, we think we have achieved some mystical state of being. Why should feeling this way be considered mystical? I think it should be normal. We feel this love, then someone says "that's what Christianity teaches, or my friends a Buddhist and they experience that all the time" or we read in a holy book about how what we felt is called such and such, then we attach ourselves to whatever belief aligns with what we felt, rather than trying to cultivate this love on our own, let it grow in its own, and this is why it's important to do good works for others, and to think kindly of others, because being of a proper mindset, is like fertilizer for this love to grow within you.
But why should anything have to put shackles on my love, and guide my love, and tell me to meditate to achieve a certain state, or get on my knees and pray to achieve a certain spiritual state, or do any "prepackaged" ways of giving thanks, why can't my very existence, and living with a loving heart be all there has to be, why the pomp, I don't want your enlightenment, I don't want your salvation, because I don't need it, because I am already love, my "soul" is already saved, it was never lost to begin with that's what I think a major downside of religion is, telling people their souls are lost when they're just fine, I have no want for your earthly weapons of mass deception. Sure they might help some come to grips with the harsh realities life is full of, the dog eat dog mentality we see everyday, and I understand why people get involved in such things, and I don't think they're stupid for doing so, if that's what works for them, then who am I to judge, nobody is perfect, nobody has it all figured out, but we all are love, and we just need to remember that.
I envision my skin splitting from my third eye down all the time, like my skin is ripping away, and the true me is ready to shed this form. I have abstained from psychedelics for a period of time because I had to see that the truths one feels when under their power, hold merit, and will remain true with a sober mind, and I have felt like I have "tripped" harder when accessing this love, than I have from any substance, it's such a pure feeling.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23789556 - 10/31/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Science and Spirituality are compatible. When your eyes open, you'll see that. What is simply is. Truth is all around you.
If you drop an object it will fall to the floor due to gravity for which we are still journeying to understand. Spirituality doesn't conflict with this.
What is simply is.. journey to understand and grow.
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