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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
#23763680 - 10/23/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was watching a program about the bible on the history channel. There are sections of the bible that are missing. One being that when God created Adam he created a woman (Lilith) from the dust that was equal to Adam. When Adam wanted her to be subservient to him, she refused and asked to leave to never return. God then created Eve from Adams rib. I found that interesting.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23763753 - 10/23/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think studying the Apocrypha is essential.
Check out the book of Enoch if you really want to blow your mind.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
#23764213 - 10/23/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: I was watching a program about the bible on the history channel. There are sections of the bible that are missing. One being that when God created Adam he created a woman (Lilith) from the dust that was equal to Adam. When Adam wanted her to be subservient to him, she refused and asked to leave to never return. God then created Eve from Adams rib. I found that interesting.
Yes, I thought Lilith wanted to have sex on top, which Adam would not have because he was a man, and Christianity is very male dominated, so Adam kicked her to the curb for a more submissive woman (Eve).
I think Lilith went on to be a demon, or something like that, she has sex with men to get spirit babies which she used for nefarious purposes, I could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I have read up on such things.
I was in a trance once and masturbated in a grove of trees with several female witches watching, I offered my semen to Lilith, and it was one of their holy days (Beltane). Such a strange memory.
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zzripz said: change 'God' to Goddess
don't take either literally as they are metaphors. But understand critically what each myth/story is saying and how they're radically different from each other, and what this means for our sense of reality
IE the 'God' myth is coming from a solar myth which identifies 'God' with light and 'darkness' with threat, ignorance, and even evil Obviously 'solar' means sun. And it can be seen that when the metaphor of sun is taken literally for 'God' then there happened/s a duality between light and dark, and light is associated with the masculine and 'God' and 'spirit' and darkness is associated with the feminine, and the physical body, emotions, and nature
But when the mythos is lunar based, lunar meaning Moon, we can see that unlike the sum, when moon is used as metaphor there is BOTh dark and light in playful every changing dynamic. And thus there is no dualistic confrontation between darkness and light, but rather intelligent awareness that light and dark always are together, and you cannot not only NOT have one without the other, you cannot know one without the other
Example see this what is being typed as 'dark' and the ground it's being typed on as 'light'. Say that the ground was dark, how you could you read the words, and understand the meaning of what's being said. Or say the text was as light as the background, could you read it?
Yet in the 'God' myths they promise you to get rid of darkness, and 'evil' and 'death' for ever and ever and ever. Which is of course absurd and makes no sense
This doesn't mean evil is good and should continue, but rather that when dynamic reality, and nature, is not understood is when the dualistic mindset wants never-ending war with itself which causes the destruction of everything! This is what I am seeing happening in the world.
I believe much truth can be found in the marriage of the sun and moon.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23764321 - 10/23/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Keep in mind there was no Christianity in the time of Adam. Not for thousands of years later.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23764369 - 10/23/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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my point is women were created equal. unfortunately over the many hundreds of years certain documents have been purposefully excluded by people who believe that women should be subservient.
It is a shame and soooo very wrong (not because I think women are so great) but because it takes away from the real truth. It skews the truth and replaces it with doubt. It causes me (and others im sure) to question everything. I cant believe in something when info has been omitted or altered to fit some fucking assholes belief system.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23764512 - 10/23/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fortunately the things that were omitted (the Apocrypha) are at your fingertips and you can read it all with a simple Google search!
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23765814 - 10/24/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario, I'm a scientist and I understand and appreciate this quandary.
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There is tons of science that supports the benefits of spiritual practices.
From self-compassion research to meditation, and much more, that's absolutely correct
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Like I said watch/read deepak chopra. you're going to get more out of that than wasting vast amounts of time on 1,000,000 drug addict theories
Understanding the nature of what causes addiction is a "waste" of time?
(Deepak's views on what causes misery are not original to him.)
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis] 1
#23765824 - 10/24/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said: Why must I rely on the other people to help clarify things for me, if God is great, then God will have to come and talk to me on its own, and show me it loves me...
"God is love" (1 John 4:8)
Many people say god = love. (Much different than god is a spirit who has loving characteristics)
God doesn't love you. You are love, deep within you, beyond the facade of self identity.
There are no beliefs you need to adopt. There are no goals you need to attain.
Awakening is a destructive process. Tearing down the constructs of our self-centeredness.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23766706 - 10/24/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds good!
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: zzripz]
#23767140 - 10/24/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have often thought of these correlations, but never really had the whole picture till now. It was a part of why I decided to change my name to Solaire Stalskie. Other part being inspired by the character Solaire in Dark Souls. You share such amazing information and write in a very clear and thought provoking way!
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23767217 - 10/24/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said: I feel stuck between science and spirituality, my whole life I have had dreams which have come true, I can remember these dreams as far back as 1st grade, I would dream something then the next day or sometime in the future it would happen exactly as I dreamt it. I have had dreams about friends having things happen to them, and they always came true exactly how I dreamt they would.
I have seen the spiritual world in action, so know there's something there. A good example would be I was sitting there with a couple dogs once, and felt a negative being approach, I was meditating and with my minds eye saw this thing come into the room, when I opened my eyes one of the dogs was getting up, growling, and had hair standing up on its back while facing right where the negative being was standing in my minds eye, so that to me is truth. People say animals and kids can see things adults cannot, so I figured that was what had happened, that's just one example.
But I love science, and find that I often define my beliefs as being called "spirit science". I think the truth of reality is within science and spirituality, but those things are pitted against each other to keep mankind in the dark, truth is found when you combine them.
I definitely feel a lot of what you are saying. I have had experiences and interactions with friends that just can't be explained other than by coincidence, but that doesn't always seem to be the case. Once my girlfriend had a dream about some friends saying hello while riding a blue horse, like something our of Avatar, and then the very next morning they messaged us saying that they had a dream about us and that they DID ride a blue horse in their dream. They also hilariously enough had watched Avatar the night before the dream. Intuition is a misunderstood part of the brain I think, we really don't understand the brain as much as people think.
The truth is often in-between like you said. I really feel the need to speak out about the divide between scientific healing and spiritual healing. So much of modern medicine throws out the possibility of a cure in order to just sell temporary fixes to people that are often addictive and life destroying. Modern medicine has made invaluable advances in saving lives but it's arrogance has also claimed countless. The ancient healing of the East, such as meditation and massage, can heal so many mental and physical problems that people often turn to temporary cures for.
Linked is John Oliver's latest exposé on evil corporations talking specifically about opioids.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: GodlessPleb]
#23768070 - 10/24/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the contributing factors of a waste land...like a disagreement of science and spirituality..are likely factors of the mind..relating to ego..because if we discover something scientifically..we engage our minds and go to those ends necessarily..but if we solve something spiritually we can share it with the world..like on this forum for example..
So the scientists are ego maniacs..and they cant handle a note or even a handle of difference compared to their mechanistic.. and materialistic world mind frame...but in great degrees do I digress..into a little bit about electronics...the computer is a sort of learn taker..that calls it self a Hearse..and the counter of a common mobility..is a module for modul..and often times called Mobile..common monopoly on the San Franciscan Right of the Good Friar himself..which IS Pope Francis! Indeed the karmic Entanglements..are always settled on earth..where the Wreath to the remote..is a logical torture..if you have done wrong..and then the Endier Gates...which are based on Bill Gates Philosophy..of time and matter,...is indeed a Heidigger..in the Comment of note taking itself..which is an observation matter..for the remote viewer and psychic alike!
So the combination of observation leads one to suspect..that each one of the phases is also shouldered on..and cogent with observation..for that is what we are here to do..at a minimum..we dont have to move unless we want to..but we will get rigor mortis and a collumbined flower is decent note of respect..indeed the ratio of time to eternity..is based on this present moment..and so you can take everything as a culmination of instants..or call the whole world and everything in it..One instant indeed..and that is the Prophet of the Internet..which is a psychic vehicle for Rotillary(Which is on the 6th Dimension or otherwise Time/Love) and therefore the Rotilitary on the evidence of the cycle..is in a phase shift..from going from 6th dimensional hardness..or base density...into the coming 7th shift..which is more about perception..and then therefore we can conclude..that everything is based on observation..for we can never get away from it..and there in lies the judge of time..which is a frame of reference..or subjective witness..or Jehovah's Witness..itself..which is the thing in itself..and so I solve a Great problem in Philosophy..by noting my observations..as a minimal limit..of experienciality.. which is a Great degree in itself..and to the minds and the limits of the day..we are Free for all inside the Harrier Jet..and the Long Lasting Lancaster Bomber..indeed is a rail inside and the conformity..of a glove..and a ruined knight..or night to betroth..Margaret long..indeed is a sacred religion true..to the point of nose speak..or cherished speak..which is about the lessons of a woman's fertility..and
So what Ive found is that the connections between spirituality and science are Observation..!!
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: BrendanFlock]
#23775401 - 10/27/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So the scientists are ego maniacs..and they cant handle a note or even a handle of difference compared to their mechanistic.. and materialistic world mind frame...
That's quite a generalization.
How do you feel about researchers such as Freud who study and assign cause and effect to human misery?
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23780851 - 10/28/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, i was just taking a bit of a gag...lots of scientists today are a bit open minded...but some are afraid to broach the science of magic and miracles..
Cause and effect is always going on..it would be amazing to me if any person can map it at all..or in any section..
It's my goal in life..to indeed map the entire causm of human history..blending into the current moment..and a projection of a future that will come true..and for the right and wrong reasons combined...
And I think that would be the end of the apple so to speak..to know all the temporary continuum...and still do right by your self and others..
Do you have any quotes or ideas by Freud that show this?
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: BrendanFlock]
#23784289 - 10/30/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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For example, Freud said depression is anger turned inward.
(If that doesn't hit the nail on the head!)
Science doesn't have much to say about the origins of violent rage, jealousy, schadenfreude, and neurosis (depression, anxiety) and eating disorders, serial arson, addiction, serial rapists, child abusers, terrorists, stalkers, narcissists etc.
Except, of course, the disease theory. There's a lot of the biological defect theory out there.
Freud and his contemporaries, and current behavioral psychologists and psychoanalysts study causal forces of neuroses, which arise from intrapsychic conflict (conflict between different drives, impulses, beliefs) and skewed self-image. And of course the effect of our childhood development, when most children didn't receive the healthy care required for mental health and stability, and were harmed by the neurotic ways of their parents.
Just rambling here - a few off the cuff thoughts, like most of my posts
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23787771 - 10/31/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually evolutionary biology has pretty good scientific explanations for most of those things.
Violent jealousy for example is a pretty clear example of a biological instinct based on the genetic imperative to ensure your own genetics and not those of a rival male are passed on, hence the instinct to use violence to protect your mate from sexual rivals.
There are equally strong evolutionary biology explanations for those other things as well.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23788004 - 10/31/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fennario said: I feel stuck between science and spirituality, my whole life I have had dreams which have come true, I can remember these dreams as far back as 1st grade, I would dream something then the next day or sometime in the future it would happen exactly as I dreamt it. I have had dreams about friends having things happen to them, and they always came true exactly how I dreamt they would.
I have seen the spiritual world in action, so know there's something there. A good example would be I was sitting there with a couple dogs once, and felt a negative being approach, I was meditating and with my minds eye saw this thing come into the room, when I opened my eyes one of the dogs was getting up, growling, and had hair standing up on its back while facing right where the negative being was standing in my minds eye, so that to me is truth. People say animals and kids can see things adults cannot, so I figured that was what had happened, that's just one example.
But I love science, and find that I often define my beliefs as being called "spirit science". I think the truth of reality is within science and spirituality, but those things are pitted against each other to keep mankind in the dark, truth is found when you combine them.
Science tells me I am wrong for believing in the spiritual. Spirituality often claims science is wrong.
Why can't they just get along.
I sometimes feel like I should choose one or the other, but realize there's power in not choosing because the second you choose, you shackle yourself to all the energy which makes up one thing or another, rather than keeping that channel open to receive truths from myriad sources.
Do any of you guys vibe well with science and spirituality, and find they compliment each other?
Science and spirituality do get along in many cases.
Some Kabbalistic principles as an example, ride upon science and life facts to establish spiritual contrast.
The world is to be seen as an outward tangible projection of spiritual principle.
Science relinquishes when perception dies and the projector is all that's left. Some are invested more in the projection than the projector and that's where it could be argued where the problem resides.
Science and spirituality aren't mutually exclusive. They are one of the same thing. They don't prove the presence of each other. They are protocols of a same truth. Science is just more remote from the core as a byproduct.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Duncan Rowhl] 1
#23788651 - 10/31/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have been laying down at night to get out of my body and let my mind wander, and I get a visual of pink light in a double helix coming out of my chest, and all I can think when this is happening is "into the future" those words keep going through my mind, I see Baphomet, Satan, Belial, and other beings associated with that side of life on one side, and on the other side I see Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, and other people/deities on that side of life, both sides are trying to get that pink helix to them, like it's a competition, but this light only goes up and into space, so this to me represents a marriage of spirit and science, my spirit (love/pink light) and science (space).
My whole life I have had these thoughts of pink light coming from my being, I would visualize it often, I would see a very overweight person while I was out running and they were trying to get into shape, I would visualize large pink hands coming from my being and wrapping them in love and encouraging them to never give up, I want humans to succeed. So this pink light has been associated with me for some time, and it's funny because in new agey belief systems, which I don't subscribe to I should add, pink is associated with love, and with my zodiac, but I am not new agey at all.
This is going to sound far out there, but I want to be universal in love, universal in thought, and this earth feels like a trap in many ways. I can't explain this enough, but I don't feel fear, paranoia, mental instability in anyway, and I would be able to humble myself and admit if I did, because I only want to grow. I feel at peace, like knowing what the true nature of reality is to me, makes me feel a complete calm.
I feel like if a person accesses what I think is true love within their being, and we all have it we just often forget we do due to being influenced by outside sources, we think we have achieved some mystical state of being. Why should feeling this way be considered mystical? I think it should be normal. We feel this love, then someone says "that's what Christianity teaches, or my friends a Buddhist and they experience that all the time" or we read in a holy book about how what we felt is called such and such, then we attach ourselves to whatever belief aligns with what we felt, rather than trying to cultivate this love on our own, let it grow in its own, and this is why it's important to do good works for others, and to think kindly of others, because being of a proper mindset, is like fertilizer for this love to grow within you.
But why should anything have to put shackles on my love, and guide my love, and tell me to meditate to achieve a certain state, or get on my knees and pray to achieve a certain spiritual state, or do any "prepackaged" ways of giving thanks, why can't my very existence, and living with a loving heart be all there has to be, why the pomp, I don't want your enlightenment, I don't want your salvation, because I don't need it, because I am already love, my "soul" is already saved, it was never lost to begin with that's what I think a major downside of religion is, telling people their souls are lost when they're just fine, I have no want for your earthly weapons of mass deception. Sure they might help some come to grips with the harsh realities life is full of, the dog eat dog mentality we see everyday, and I understand why people get involved in such things, and I don't think they're stupid for doing so, if that's what works for them, then who am I to judge, nobody is perfect, nobody has it all figured out, but we all are love, and we just need to remember that.
I envision my skin splitting from my third eye down all the time, like my skin is ripping away, and the true me is ready to shed this form. I have abstained from psychedelics for a period of time because I had to see that the truths one feels when under their power, hold merit, and will remain true with a sober mind, and I have felt like I have "tripped" harder when accessing this love, than I have from any substance, it's such a pure feeling.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
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Science and Spirituality are compatible. When your eyes open, you'll see that. What is simply is. Truth is all around you.
If you drop an object it will fall to the floor due to gravity for which we are still journeying to understand. Spirituality doesn't conflict with this.
What is simply is.. journey to understand and grow.
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