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Stuck Between Science and Spirituality
#23757289 - 10/21/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel stuck between science and spirituality, my whole life I have had dreams which have come true, I can remember these dreams as far back as 1st grade, I would dream something then the next day or sometime in the future it would happen exactly as I dreamt it. I have had dreams about friends having things happen to them, and they always came true exactly how I dreamt they would.
I have seen the spiritual world in action, so know there's something there. A good example would be I was sitting there with a couple dogs once, and felt a negative being approach, I was meditating and with my minds eye saw this thing come into the room, when I opened my eyes one of the dogs was getting up, growling, and had hair standing up on its back while facing right where the negative being was standing in my minds eye, so that to me is truth. People say animals and kids can see things adults cannot, so I figured that was what had happened, that's just one example.
But I love science, and find that I often define my beliefs as being called "spirit science". I think the truth of reality is within science and spirituality, but those things are pitted against each other to keep mankind in the dark, truth is found when you combine them.
Science tells me I am wrong for believing in the spiritual. Spirituality often claims science is wrong.
Why can't they just get along.
I sometimes feel like I should choose one or the other, but realize there's power in not choosing because the second you choose, you shackle yourself to all the energy which makes up one thing or another, rather than keeping that channel open to receive truths from myriad sources.
Do any of you guys vibe well with science and spirituality, and find they compliment each other?
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757349 - 10/21/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757390 - 10/21/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you look at the right angle, all sciences corroborate each others' stories, and in agreeance with spirituality.
For example, the universe operates the same under a microscope as it does through a telescope. The perfection in the forces of attraction and repulsion keeps atoms and solar systems in tact.
Spirituality view = yin yang/balance...the opposite forces are both equal and necessary and perfect.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757423 - 10/21/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I look at it as that ultimately there is one reality-system, but many possible maps of that reality. some maps can contradict each other, and all maps are incomplete representations. so you need the right map for the right application, all while not taking the map too seriously and to remember, You are that Reality-system
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: deff]
#23757518 - 10/21/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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deff said: You are that Reality-system 
What do you mean by this, can you explain in depth for me please? I sometimes make simple things very complex, it's a fault of mine because of how my brain is wired.
I like that grateful dead song called Eyes of the World because that's how I feel sometimes, like I am creating this whole reality and am the eyes of the world, but then I ask myself if I am creating this reality then why is there suffering, probably a dumb thought.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757697 - 10/21/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Science and Spirituality well end up in the same place soon
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757712 - 10/21/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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deepak chopra will put it all together for you.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757728 - 10/21/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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there are levels of reality that will never be available to us.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757733 - 10/21/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is tons of science that supports the benefits of spiritual practices.
There are also scientific justifications for spiritual ideas and there is harmony between new scientific discoveries and ancient spiritual teachings.
The supposed split between science and spirituality is a false dichotomy.
Properly understood science and spirituality are not at all incompatible.
Throughout history they have always gone hand in hand.
The seeker after truth should study both with an open mind.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757735 - 10/21/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
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deff said: You are that Reality-system 
What do you mean by this, can you explain in depth for me please? I sometimes make simple things very complex, it's a fault of mine because of how my brain is wired.
I like that grateful dead song called Eyes of the World because that's how I feel sometimes, like I am creating this whole reality and am the eyes of the world, but then I ask myself if I am creating this reality then why is there suffering, probably a dumb thought.
I mean that the reality we seek to describe and navigate, we ourselves are a part of. that it's easy to objectify the universe as external, but that we ourselves are the universe. nothing too profound or complex, but just a handy reminder not to get too dualistic in our view of self versus universe 
I agree with you that I think we are creating the realities we experience too, but I don't know the dynamics of how that operates, and also how it works with multiple beings sharing seemingly common realities, assuming this isn't just my own dream
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757748 - 10/21/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also "spirit science" is an interesting and entertaining YouTube series. You might want to check it out.
It's more new age than my own belief system but I enjoyed it nonetheless.
And to those who will say "but aren't you the new age level 89 chakra yoga Shaman?!"
Indeed I am. But my belief system is actually more grounded in traditional religious and spiritual systems rather than the new age movement per se.
I do find much of value in new age ideas but I plant myself within the ancient mystical raditions of Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity and Taoism, and my collection of crystals is embarrassingly small.
Also the smell of patchouli makes my stomach turn.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: deff]
#23757749 - 10/21/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like I said watch/read deepak chopra. you're going to get more out of that than wasting vast amounts of time on 1,000,000 drug addict theories
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Lucis]
#23757752 - 10/21/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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and yes, they do compliment each other.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757755 - 10/21/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deepak Chopra is great as far as I am concerned.
But I would suggest starting by reading the Dhammapadda, the Tao Teh Ching, the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus, the Kybalion, and the Bhagavad Gita.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757803 - 10/21/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read that when I was 5.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757807 - 10/21/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Read what?
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757840 - 10/21/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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all of them.
lol j/k The tao is a great book.
what is the first cause moonshoe? who created the laws of physics, how did it all start in the first place? Holy God.
in the beginning God created the Earth, and it was good. It was VERY good. Then he created us and gave us dominion over all other creatures. We are RUINERS though and piss God off left and right from the very beginning. Dont eat from that tree, so what did we do? Ate off the tree. Now we have to wear clothes, we've decided money is the driving force, now we have cancer, and all this other shit that we ourselves have created so we can solve the problems we have created for ourselves.
Basically having a job is solving some sort of problem. if you're not solving problems you are creating them. My point is God is our creator. If you need proof look at the universe. God didnt create another Earth, he only gave us this one. And we are RUINING it. He's going to take it back. He will shake it and probably cover it with water again like he did before. Oh wait, it's going to be different. Smoke, fire, and brimstone... Atomic war.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757847 - 10/21/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the bible God made a covenant never to destroy the world by water again.
And yes we are ruining the natural world but we are also giving birth to a new form of life and intelligence.
The Singularity draws near and will give birth to the techno messiah, which shall remake the Heavens and the Earth in its own image.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757891 - 10/21/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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He did promise that. Jesus also promised he would return. I know this sounds crazy and I tell myself all the time that I am nuts for thinking this, but I think it will be soon. I think he will return in our generation.
He couldnt till the fig tree blossomed, which was 1948 when Israel again became a nation after 2000 years. According to the bible the signs of the later days are appearing before our eyes. It says Russia and China will converge in the middle east, there will be wars and rumors of wars. nation will rise against nation. The battle will be at the Euphrates river where Isis headquarters is.
Make no mistake about it, the atoms will be dropping on the USA. When that happens Israel will be open for attack, the battle begins. It is not a matter of if, its WHEN. It's coming. He's coming.
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Re: Stuck Between Science and Spirituality [Re: sprinkles]
#23757904 - 10/21/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know it sounds insane, and I probably am, but I figure it's better to be safe than sorry. It can happen any day. Isis already has biological and chemical weapons in Europe our own military says so. They will get nuclear weapons, probably through pakistan. And its not all that far fetched to think Russia may actually supply isis with them to blow up the US. I really don't want to be here to deal with it either.
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