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I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) * 1
    #23756589 - 10/20/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because of my recent fascination with the human mind, and because I want to relate to as many people as possible in my attempts to understand people and how we think and behave, i will no longer discuss politics.

It is simple.  If 90% of the human mind is undergoing subconscious processing, and conscious is just a reflection of the subconscious decision making process, then I believe that choice is limited in people, therefore, there cannot truly be freewill.

Let's take an example:  people's choices are made, and solutions given, by a fixed and expanding set of references i.e. experience. While it may be possible to expand the experience set to 'open the mind' to new viewpoints, the older, fixed experiences seem to influence the subconscious, thus the conscious, decision making more.

A political example:  the debates:  Because each person already came with their preconceived ideas of the other, and their fixed experiences, and the MANIPULATION that has been applied to their thought process by political ads, etc, then they see what they want to see in say, a debate.

Therfore, I would rather not ever discuss politics again, because it leads to bad feelings between people, and I would rather have good feelings; that is, i can agree to disagree since I would rather have open and friendly discourse with others concerning the workings of the mind.

Other topics are open, of course, for rational discussion.  But i have come to the conclusion that emotions rule the minds of most humans, especially in politics.

So, I am apolitical at this point.  I have no opinion. :smug:


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756597 - 10/21/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes in stroke victims they'll fabricate reasons for why they cant move their arms, legs, or whatever. They come up with reasons like being too tired, or simply not wanting to and get a glazed over look when you tell them its because of paralysis. The minds a fascinating thing.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23756598 - 10/21/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It is simple.  If 90% of the human mind is undergoing subconscious processing, and conscious is just a reflection of the subconscious decision making process, then I believe that choice is limited in people, therefore, there cannot truly be freewill.




have you studied "action theory" yet, Starfire?

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Let's take an example:  people's choices are made, and solutions given, by a fixed and expanding set of references i.e. experience. While it may be possible to expand the experience set to 'open the mind' to new viewpoints, the older, fixed experiences seem to influence the subconscious, thus the conscious, decision making more.



i liken these ideas to roads and beacons. old-school LSD talk.

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Sometimes in stroke victims they'll fabricate reasons for why they cant move their arms, legs, or whatever. They come up with reasons like being too tired, or simply not wanting to and get a glazed over look when you tell them its because of paralysis. The minds a fascinating thing.



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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756601 - 10/21/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So, I am apolitical at this point.  I have no opinion. :smug:





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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23756602 - 10/21/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Sometimes in stroke victims they'll fabricate reasons for why they cant move their arms, legs, or whatever. They come up with reasons like being too tired, or simply not wanting to and get a glazed over look when you tell them its because of paralysis. The minds a fascinating thing.




I can tell you I have recently pulled off a few really good mentalist tricks, and been working with stage magic and hypnosis, and I've come to one startling discovery:

The human mind sees what it wants to see.  If it is expecting to see a spoon bent, by God, it will see it. :wink:


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23756604 - 10/21/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You already know what my opinion is, but i won't discuss it.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #23756606 - 10/21/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the subconscious mind cannot distinguish reality from imagination. only the conscious mind can, potentially; using logic and reason; and hopefully not having any kind of disconnection in the psyche from conscious reality.

this is why schizophrenia, for example. or shamanism.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23756622 - 10/21/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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the subconscious mind cannot distinguish reality from imagination. only the conscious mind can, potentially; using logic and reason; and hopefully not having any kind of disconnection in their psyche from conscious reality.





You've raised a good point.  But that is the INPUT.  The subconscious mind lets the executive function pick.  But if the executive is bypassed, then false input can be given. 

The output is mostly subconcious processing of learned experience and input. 

Now think about this: garbage in, garbage out.  You can influence someone by bypassing their executive function and giving them a false input, i.e. one the executive normally wouldn't accept.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756627 - 10/21/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

we are all just convincing people. it's the name of the game.
it's the game of the name.

and like i said, potentially...not inherently. but potentially. you need to use your faculties, otherwise, these false inputs can be easily derived from said un-assessed sources; that and the input of false executive functions can easily be imputed to outside factors that you potentially do not (or cannot) assess, as well.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756629 - 10/21/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Too embarrassed to keep openly supporting Trump?


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23756632 - 10/21/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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we are all just convincing people. it's the name of the game.
it's the game of the name.

and like i said, potentially...not inherently. but potentially. you need to use your faculties, otherwise, the executive functions can easily be imputed to outside factors that you potentially do not assess.




Absolutely.  You might say that every single human being survives by some degree of manipulation of others.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756635 - 10/21/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

we all manipulate one another, on a finite level, that most do not comprehend, and may wish not to. i catch myself manipulating people all the time...whether by accident or by way of my influence.

sorta like Trump!

(therefore, being an individual is what people strive for, regardless of their beliefs. no matter then ends, the means is always for I. the I you may attribute to yourself, though, might just be a fake supplementary "I" that helps someone else, more than it helps you...the goal of society, if there is one, is to help integrate that process into mutual game settings.


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    #23756642 - 10/21/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It is not a bad thing in a sense; all humans are manipulative.  Its a survival trait.


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    #23756647 - 10/21/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756650 - 10/21/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It is not a bad thing in a sense; all humans are manipulative.  Its a survival trait.



it's a trait in ecosystems, that the mutual benefit outweighs the norm. so if manipulation can work to help mutual parties benefit, then it's ok...the whole point in trying to work together with one another is to find the means to do so -- without creating harbingers.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23756656 - 10/21/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It is not a bad thing in a sense; all humans are manipulative.  Its a survival trait.



it's a trait in ecosystems, that the mutual benefit outweighs the norm. so if manipulation can work to help mutual parties benefit, then it's ok...the whole point in trying to work together with one another is to find the means to do so -- without creating harbingers.





did you know that bonobos used to be called pygmy chimpanzees?  its true, they were considered to be a subset of chimps.  They are similar in many ways but not in terms of group hierarchy.  its interesting stuff.  if you haven't read about it, you should.  i think you'd get a kick out of how bonobos solve disputes between rival groups.


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23756659 - 10/21/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I like those references you linked to, though it said i had to pay.  But it seems they kind of agree with my very basic, primitive hypothesis.


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    #23756666 - 10/21/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you only have to pay for the first one, the other 2 were free.  i didn't pay.


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    #23756674 - 10/21/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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  i think you'd get a kick out of how bonobos solve disputes between rival groups.



they like dat power struggle.

"so honey, what will you be having, the fish? ... honey? hey, are you looking at that sexy women over there?"


"yes".

"wha-wha-whaaaat? but why?"

"to let her know, and to let you know, that i am still available."

"fuck you mean?"

"well, if i don't feel like your good enough for my love, i can leave. if i don't show you i can be independent, you don't love me...so take it or leave it".

"fuck you...i'm having the snapper".


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Re: I will no longer discuss politics. (The Human Mind Thread 2) [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756891 - 10/21/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So, I am apolitical at this point.  I have no opinion. :smug:




Thank the gods.

Sometimes I feel like you only gain freedom by not choosing.


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