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Understanding The Human Mind
#23755861 - 10/20/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've got a new hobby, gleaned from years of reading in psychology, hypnosis, neuro linguistic programming, and psychology theory. This has become my new passion, and I have even thought of going back to grad school in the EE department (Again) to study neural networks with psychology as a basis for developing computer system architecture.
As far as understanding about the mind, a lot of people might say 'We only use 10% of our brain--if we could harness the other 90% we could do unimaginable things.
I don't know, I can imagine a lot of things! But, in reference to the question above--HOGWASH. I believe we use 90% of our mind, and that perhaps 10% of it is unused. I say this on the basis that so many of our thoughts, choices, and actions are made almost instantaneously, with little thought. Our subconscious actually does the majority of work behind the scenes and constructs a response to a situation or image of our current world view based on previous learned experience.
But then one has to consider creativity--how much is spontaneous, and how much is subconsciously developed from our world view? As one can see, this could lead into interesting experiments with--you guessed it--psychedelic drugs.
I've got a lot of interesting examples already, but I will start with a good 'bar math problem' that will stump even brilliant scientists and math students, if their response is spontaneous. And once you know this problem, its a killer at social events.
Put down your spontaneous answer first, then use simple algebra to calculate the answer. Be honest, and then we will discuss this problem. It's an example of what is called 'Attribute Substitution.'
Q: You see a baseball and a bat on sale for one dollar and ten cents. The bat costs one dollar more than the ball. how much is the ball?
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes] 1
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starfire_xes said: Q: You see a baseball and a bat on sale for one dollar and ten cents. The bat costs one dollar more than the ball. how much is the ball?
are you seeking the answer you want or one of the 2 correct answers
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755877 - 10/20/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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We use all of our brains, just like we use all of the rest of our organs. Some people are just retarded is all.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755884 - 10/20/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The total sale price of both is $1.10.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755893 - 10/20/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: The total sale price of both is $1.10.
is that your final answer
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755896 - 10/20/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would encourage you to go for it man, it's an amazingly interesting and fulfilling field.
ball = 10 cents
x + y = 1.10 x + 1 = y x = .1
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality] 1
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falsereality said: I would encourage you to go for it man, it's an amazingly interesting and fulfilling field.
ball = 10 cents
x + y = 1.10 x + 1 = y x = .1
WRONG ANSWER.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755908 - 10/20/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dislike those type of math problems very much, mostly cuz they make my mind all loopy
I also think we use like 90% of our brains, personally I feel like I use 110%, but like most of it is wasted on bullshit.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755919 - 10/20/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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WRONG ANSWER.
I blame it on the kratom (first time dosing in half a year)
x + y = 1.10 y = 1.10 - x x + 1 = y
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality] 1
#23755928 - 10/20/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
But you should easily get it with Algebra! Don't say anything about the answer.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755934 - 10/20/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
it's an easy problem because the ball costs 5 cents, if the bat cost $1 more than the ball and the ball was 10 cents then the bat would be $1.10 costing a total of $1.20
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
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starfire_xes said: This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
it's an easy problem because the ball costs 5 cents, if the bat cost $1 more than the ball and the ball was 10 cents then the bat would be $1.10 costing a total of $1.20
But you thought about it a long time. There was a survey done of this problem and they asked like 50 people to give the spontaneous answer and they all said .10
I haven't asked a single person who got the answer correct spontaneously.
That was the gist of the problem the spontaneous solution, not the thought out solution.
The algebraic solution is simple. x+x+1 = 1.10
2x=.1 x=.05.
Thanks for ruining the problem for everyone else.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755950 - 10/20/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn. Pris is right.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755953 - 10/20/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive got a similar question for y'all:
A man walks into a bar and asks the bartender for two shots of whisky and a beer. The bartender gives the man 2 beers and one shot of whiskey. What did the man originally ask the bartender for?..
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality]
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falsereality said: Damn. Pris is right.
yea, he worked it out.
Or else we are all going to bow down to Pris because his math IQ is around 190. They asked this to Phds at MIT and they could not spontaneously do it in their heads. 
They all said .10/
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said: This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
it's an easy problem because the ball costs 5 cents, if the bat cost $1 more than the ball and the ball was 10 cents then the bat would be $1.10 costing a total of $1.20
But you thought about it a long time.
no, I didnt think about it a long time, that why I asked if you wanted one of the two right answers, the other right answer being 'fuck off with your kiddie math questions
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There was a survey done of this problem and they asked like 50 people to give the spontaneous answer and they all said .10
you got this shit off facebook didnt you
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
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No it came off a psychology. I worded it wrong at first, if you would have just answered i'm sure you would say .1. everyone else i've asked in real did, but I haven't tried to WRIte IT OUT.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755973 - 10/20/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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it just seems so obvious that it's 10...but so obviously it's not ten, because the way the question is phrased...makes it seem impossible that that math adds up. yes, you have to think about the doubling of the money by way of the logic presented in the question.
think: the bat is a dollar more than the ball, but don't deduce the ball is simply subtracted from the dollar amount, to get the final answer...because as Pris explained...the logic in the question is more subtle that simple deduction.
i don't get it, frankly...but i'm seeing the picture, i think, somewhat.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755974 - 10/20/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: no, I didnt think about it a long time, that why I asked if you wanted one of the two right answers, the other right answer being 'fuck off with your kiddie math questions
Watch out, we got a badass over here. I didn't get it right off the bat and this was my homework last week.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality]
#23755977 - 10/20/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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he's right, it's a simply math problem, it's just...represented in some kind of fuzzy logic. i mean the phrasing is off-putting, at least; if i do say so myself.
you have to think of the doubling of the money...the "more" part of the phrasing.
hmmmm
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755980 - 10/20/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright here's another question:
Stuart lives in a little house on Hills drive. It is about a mile from Townsville st.
How far is Townsville st from Hills drive?
Be honest with ur spontaneous answer, serious question...
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23755984 - 10/20/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bat = ball + 1 Bat + ball = 1.10 Ball + 1 + ball = 1.10 2ball = 0.10 Ball = 0.05
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality] 1
#23755986 - 10/20/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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To get the answer right spontaneously your brain has to work differently than everyone else brain. This is because in those kinds of problems, the mind automatically looks for a simplified way and the straight up way the humanbrain is programmed says that it must be .10. That is attribute substitution. If a reasonably intelligent person thinks for a minute or two, they will get .05, but it isn't apparent at first.
Spontaneously its a brain buster, but thought out it is a kiddie problem. What a paradox.
But look out for Pris, he's my man. He's also a Literary Critic, a master of the English language, and Joe Bull Stud of the Shroomery.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes] 3
#23755987 - 10/20/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: No it came off a psychology. I worded it wrong at first, if you would have just answered i'm sure you would say .1. everyone else i've asked in real did, but I haven't tried to WRIte IT OUT.
most people dont consider that the bat would have to be $1.10 if the ball was 10 cents. I did have to go through it for a couple of runs to get the right answer, right off the top of my head I would have been wrong but a few seconds to think and it's easy
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
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starfire_xes said: No it came off a psychology. I worded it wrong at first, if you would have just answered i'm sure you would say .1. everyone else i've asked in real did, but I haven't tried to WRIte IT OUT.
most people dont consider that the bat would have to be $1.10 if the ball was 10 cents. I did have to go through it for a couple of runs to get the right answer, right off the top of my head I would have been wrong but a few seconds to think and it's easy
Right on. that was the gist of the problem as I explained in my last post. I got it wrong too, by the way, the first time.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: Alright here's another question:
Stuart lives in a little house on Hills drive. It is about a mile from Townsville st.
How far is Townsville st from Hills drive?
Be honest with ur spontaneous answer, serious question...
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
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starfire_xes said: No it came off a psychology. I worded it wrong at first, if you would have just answered i'm sure you would say .1. everyone else i've asked in real did, but I haven't tried to WRIte IT OUT.
most people dont consider that the bat would have to be $1.10 if the ball was 10 cents. I did have to go through it for a couple of runs to get the right answer, right off the top of my head I would have been wrong but a few seconds to think and it's easy
because the bat is a dollar more than the ball, the ball...has to be 5 cents, because 5 cents more is ten cents. (ha, i am only just barely getting this through)
(it's nagging that i can't phrase this better...a dollar more...than the ball...the ball (to an answer) is either ten cents, off the bat, which is wrong, because the bat being a dollar more would make sum total greater than the given 1.10 amount, given that a dollar more than the ball, would be a dollar and ten cents, which clearly, along with the ball, makes the sum total 1.20, not 1.10 as a given. so the ball must be 5 cents. that's the best i can do i think i fucking did it. *lights imaginary cigarette*)
that is the only way my simple math can deduce this. but it's funny though...and i think i get it. but not everything that goes into this equation...not literally.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: Ive got a similar question for y'all:
A man walks into a bar and asks the bartender for two shots of whisky and a beer. The bartender gives the man 2 beers and one shot of whiskey. What did the man originally ask the bartender for?..
two shots of whiskey and a beer. beer doesn't come in shots.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: koods]
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Was that really ur spontaneous answer?.. 
It is wrong btw.. No one will ever get it right.. 
Hint: the question may or may not be encoded to mean something else..
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
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starfire_xes said: No it came off a psychology. I worded it wrong at first, if you would have just answered i'm sure you would say .1. everyone else i've asked in real did, but I haven't tried to WRIte IT OUT.
most people dont consider that the bat would have to be $1.10 if the ball was 10 cents. I did have to go through it for a couple of runs to get the right answer, right off the top of my head I would have been wrong but a few seconds to think and it's easy
because the bat is a dollar more than the ball
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
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zZZz said: Ive got a similar question for y'all:
A man walks into a bar and asks the bartender for two shots of whisky and a beer. The bartender gives the man 2 beers and one shot of whiskey. What did the man originally ask the bartender for?..
two shots of whiskey and a beer. beer doesn't come in shots.
That is correct, I bet u won't get the second question tho..
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: Was that really ur spontaneous answer?.. 
It is wrong btw.. No one will ever get it right.. 
Hint: the question may or may not be encoded to mean something else..
I already got it correct. You wrote down what he originally said.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
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Nope 
Try again if u dare..
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
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because the bat is a dollar more than the ball
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exactly
1.10$ = Bat and Ball (the Bat is a dollar more than the Ball -- how much is the Ball?) the ball can't be ten cents, because adding up the bat & the ball, while the bat is a dollar more (than the ball) would make the sum total greater than the given 1.10$ amount, given that, within the sum total, a dollar more than the ball would be a dollar plus the ball's price (the ball's price doubling as you add the bat's price to the ball's), which clearly, makes the sum total 1.20$, not 1.10$; as a given; so the ball must be 5 cents.
does this goddamn make any sense, or did i get there through sheer force of idiocy?
it's still not right.
there, fixed.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: Alright here's another question:
Stuart lives in a little house on Hills drive. It is about a mile from Townsville st.
How far is Townsville st from Hills drive?
Be honest with ur spontaneous answer, serious question...
The little house on Hills drive is about a mile, but that only means that that part of Hills drive is a mile away. It is impossible to say how far other parts of hills drive are from Towns street, in the limit there an infinite number of answes. 
(If they aren't parallel streets OF equal length.)
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
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because the bat is a dollar more than the ball
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exactly
1.10$ = Bat and Ball (the Bat is a dollar more than the Ball -- how much is the Ball?) the ball can't be ten cents, because the bat being a dollar more would make the sum total greater than the given 1.10 amount, given that a dollar more than the ball would be a dollar and ten cents, which clearly, along with the ball, makes the sum total 1.20, not 1.10 as a given. so the ball must be 5 cents.
does this goddamn make any sense, or did i get there through sheer force of idiocy?
it's still not right.
what is 105 + 5?
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
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zZZz said: Was that really ur spontaneous answer?.. 
It is wrong btw.. No one will ever get it right.. 
Hint: the question may or may not be encoded to mean something else..
If you say a house is on road A and the house is mile from road B, you are saying that the intersection of road A and road B is a mile away.
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i fixed my...erm...proposition. (obvious answer is obvious -- yes, you have the simplified answer. if the bat is a dollar more than the ball, and the sum total is 1.10$, the answer should be obvious -- here's why....)
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1.10$ = Bat and Ball (the Bat is a dollar more than the Ball -- how much is the Ball?) the ball can't be ten cents, because adding up the bat & the ball, while the bat is a dollar more (than the ball) would make the sum total greater than the given 1.10$ amount, given that, within the sum total, a dollar more than the ball would be a dollar plus the ball's price (the ball's price doubling as you add the bat's price to the ball's), which clearly, makes the sum total 1.20$, not 1.10$; as a given; so the ball must be 5 cents.
goddamn it, jimminy christmas fuck.
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It is wrong btw.. No one will ever get it right.. 
Hint: the question may or may not be encoded to mean something else..
If you say a house is on road A and the house is mile from road B, you are saying that the intersection of road A and road B is a mile away. 
koods look at my answer above. you are on the right track. The problem is that only the distance at one point is know--from the house on hill drive to townsville street. If they aren't of equal length and parallel then there are an infinite number of solutions in the limit.
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a mile is not an exact length, it's a determination of length and/or space correlated.
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Since bat = (ball +1), instead of saying ball + bat= 1.10, you replace bat with (ball + 1). So, ball + ball + 1 = 1.10 or 2 balls + 1 = 1.10 or 2 balls = .10
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It is wrong btw.. No one will ever get it right.. 
Hint: the question may or may not be encoded to mean something else..
If you say a house is on road A and the house is mile from road B, you are saying that the intersection of road A and road B is a mile away. 
koods look at my answer above. you are on the right track. The problem is that only the distance at one point is know--from the house on hill drive to townsville street. If they aren't of equal length and parallel then there are an infinite number of solutions in the limit.
I think his question is some stupid play on words or something. The premise is too vague to give an answer.
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Take a look at this photograph. Most people might say that it is two pictures of Mona Lisa upside down and they are the same. Then turn and look at them right side up.

This is an example of how the human mind will 'fill in' information based on experience, since we don't normally look at images upside down. Therefore, there is missing information that is filled in from past experience.
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akira_akuma said: a mile is not an exact length, it's a determination of length and/or space correlated.
little timmy's house in hills street is about a mile from townsville road, that doesnt mean that hills street is about a mile away, it's insufficient information to make a determination of the distance between the two roads
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It is wrong btw.. No one will ever get it right.. 
Hint: the question may or may not be encoded to mean something else..
If you say a house is on road A and the house is mile from road B, you are saying that the intersection of road A and road B is a mile away. 
koods look at my answer above. you are on the right track. The problem is that only the distance at one point is know--from the house on hill drive to townsville street. If they aren't of equal length and parallel then there are an infinite number of solutions in the limit.
I think his question is some stupid play on words or something. The premise is too vague to give an answer.
you are right. The problem is, IT modifies 'the house on hills drive' therefore the relation between hills drive and townsville street is not known.
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koods said: Since bat = (ball +1), instead of saying ball + bat= 1.10, you replace bat with (ball + 1). So, ball + ball + 1 = 1.10 or 2 balls + 1 = 1.10 or 2 balls = .10
koods, yes, but...damn there has got to be more than one way to make this equation's model evident.
but yes, i see how you put it. a bat is a dollar more than the ball...just take ball, and double ball, then add dollar, as mentioned in the question.
it's just the phrasing is dumb in that question, it's like...backwards or something, i dunno. but i see what you are saying...and it's a simple way to look at the question; like i said pretty much right off-the-bat (punning it up!), it's a doubling that's important in this logic, to figure out the logic of the question easier.
and i think i was right...awesome. my brain not so dumb at math, good.
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akira_akuma said: a mile is not an exact length, it's a determination of length and/or space correlated.
little timmy's house in hills street is about a mile from townsville road, that doesnt mean that hills street is about a mile away, it's insufficient information to make a determination of the distance between the two roads
yes, the phrasing of the question, again, seems stupid to me.
do like mathematicians and engineers like solving questions that are phrased like an idiot constructed them? is that a thing?
but yeah...where is the house along the road?
that's the crux of the faultiness of this questions determinability.
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in the limit there an infinite number of answes. 
Ure right about that one, but there's only one answer..
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koods said: If you say a house is on road A and the house is mile from road B, you are saying that the intersection of road A and road B is a mile away. 
I know it appears to be that simple,,but it is not, the answer itself is simple, the hard part is getting to that answer, the more u think about it the further u get from the answer..
Hint #2: the question itself is irrelevant.. It only there to let the reader know there is an question to be answered.. And the answer may or may not be hidden within the sentences..
Remember, the more u think about it, the less likely u are to get it..
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you can clearly see how the left picture is all rotten and not at all similar. i noticed this, yet, i still blew up the pic and tried to turn my head to see it upright.
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If you're on a road, and someone says it's about a mile to road.B, then the road you're on intersects with the road B.
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akira_akuma said: a mile is not an exact length, it's a determination of length and/or space correlated.
little timmy's house in hills street is about a mile from townsville road, that doesnt mean that hills street is about a mile away, it's insufficient information to make a determination of the distance between the two roads
yes, the phrasing of the question, again, seems stupid to me.
do like mathematicians and engineers like solving questions that are phrased like an idiot constructed them? is that a thing?
but yeah...where is the house along the road?
that's the crux of the faultiness of this questions determinability.
IT makes the questiion ambiguous, unless you correctly understand the relationships of modifiers.
The question is phrased correctly. Understanding how modifiers work tells you that there isn't enough information. So there are an infinite number of solutions: 1 mile is a solution if the streets are parallel and of the same length, and an infinite number of solutions come in the limit in any other case. This can be proven mathematically.
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koods said: If you're on a road, and someone says it's about a mile to road.B, then the road you're on intersects with the road B.
but where is Road?
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IT makes the questiion ambiguous, unless you correctly understand the relationships of modifiers.
The question is phrased correctly. Understanding how modifiers work tells you that there isn't enough information. So there are an infinite number of solutions: 1 mile is a solution if the streets are parallel and of the same length, and an infinite number of solutions come in the limit in any other case. This can be proven mathematically.
yes but is there an answer that can be provided?
i mean, look...i've seen people before take paths at an angle, taking many paths at an angle, presuming that they are taking a short cut, when, simply put, you can just walk straight, and get to wherever in less time, with less distance travelled. so it seems obvious, somehow (though i don't gather how), that the spaces are not divvied up equally, in terms of distance, between point A and point B.
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I'm pretty sure zzzz's answer is going to piss me off. Like we're supposed to know Stuart Little's house address.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: koods]
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Ure getting warmer koods..
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in the limit there an infinite number of answes. 
Ure right about that one, but there's only one answer..
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koods said: If you say a house is on road A and the house is mile from road B, you are saying that the intersection of road A and road B is a mile away. 
I know it appears to be that simple,,but it is not, the answer itself is simple, the hard part is getting to that answer, the more u think about it the further u get from the answer..
Hint #2: the question itself is irrelevant.. It only there to let the reader know there is an question to be answered.. And the answer may or may not be hidden within the sentences..
Remember, the more u think about it, the less likely u are to get it..
If you took a really advanced math course in Topology or Analysis, the solution would be
[1 if Length x = length y and x parallel y] [infinity in any other case]
where x = hill drive and y = townsville street.
But then the real buttfucker comes when they say show the proof. 
They give problems like this all the time at graduate level.
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As a secondary note, 'There is not enough information' would be the answer in lower level math classes.
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Prisoner#1 said: it's insufficient information to make a determination of the distance between the two roads
road x and road y provide space z, on a graph...where is the house on the said graph?
that gives the answer to where we are...then we can determine where the "mile" spoken of intersects with both streets, and acquire the distance (or space z) between the two streets, (ie, the answer)
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But then the real buttfucker comes when they say show the proof. 
shit, i wasn't too far off...Topology? nah...that is like some top-level fuckery, right there.
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It's not a math problem. Math problems don't include phrases like "about a mile"
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it's a philosophical problem, more like it.
PS: more brain teasers plz. somehow this is Turing me on.
and the ghost of my brain goes to yours and something comes quite clear, oddly enough. wtf...is there something in the stars, in the lights in my brain? math? me? oh my.
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logically though, i can't be taken down.
If x is about a mile from y, then they are about a mile everywhere if they are parallel and of the same length, and there is an infinite number of solutions in any other case.
Let z represent about a mile.
The solution is then the sum of the solutions in this problem.
z+infinity == infinity.  
we know from the problem that the two roads lie in a bounded continuous space.
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Well, the only reasonable statement one could make is to say that hill drive is no more than about a mile from Townsville street.
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Ure pretty good starfire, koods was right, it wasn't really a math problem per se.. yet u were able to use math to come to a reasonable conclusion, the answer is infinite, that is to say u have an infinite amount of choices to choose from, could be anything really..
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hey, i already said that. i want the answer, not some philosophical mumbo jumbo about infinite positions!
"road x and road y provide space z, on a graph...where is the house on the said graph?
that gives the answer to where we are...then we can determine where the "mile" spoken of intersects with both streets, and acquire the distance (or space z) between the two streets, (ie, the answer)"
the answer can be definite and not infinite! so what is it! OH LORD JESUS! WHAT CAN IT BE?
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zZZz said: Ure pretty good starfire, koods was right, it wasn't really a math problem per se.. yet u were able to use math to come to a reasonable conclusion, the answer is infinite, that is to say u have an infinite amount of choices to choose from, could be anything really..

No, it's not infinite. The lower limit is 0 and the upper limit is about a mile.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: koods]
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how much follicles of hair are on my ass between cheek A and cheek B, koods? answer: there is an infinite z space of follicles, QED, koods likes butt.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
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zZZz said: Ure pretty good starfire, koods was right, it wasn't really a math problem per se.. yet u were able to use math to come to a reasonable conclusion, the answer is infinite, that is to say u have an infinite amount of choices to choose from, could be anything really..
When you are given a problem like this in grad school, then you have to make assumptions and state what the assumptions are. As worded there are an infinite number of solutions.
you really can't assume that the problem lies in one plane, because the earth isn't flat. But you could assume that space is bounded and continuous, yet I have a feeling that is not a necessary condition for the solution.
Starting with advanced calculus they have problems like this but the answer you give is more about thought process than about anything else. As Koods pointed out, English in a word problem is critically important.
You know, there are a lot of problems like this in common core, and THAT is not the appropriate place to teach these kinds of problems.
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akira_akuma said: how much follicles of hair are on my ass between cheek A and cheek B, koods? answer: there is an infinite z space of follicles, QED, koods likes butt.
There is no such such thing as infinite space between two points. A fixed length cannot be divided forever. There is a limit: the planck length.
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this is only true when you do not have infinite buttcrack syndrome.
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#23756313 - 10/20/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: how much follicles of hair are on my ass between cheek A and cheek B, koods? answer: there is an infinite z space of follicles, QED, koods likes butt.
There is no such such thing as infinite space between two points. A fixed length cannot be divided forever. There is a limit: the planck length.
One could create a virtual reality simulator on that aforementioned piece of ass and generate a infinite space within its confines.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756317 - 10/20/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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the question is silly.
it should be phrased like such, if the answer called for was "infinite"...
there is a point A, how much space is there...end of question. answer: infinite, insofar as there isn't two points to calculate between, and finite, insofar as there is a limited space to travel in and around point A.
but trying to track down a point between spaces A & B, this is either attributed a specific answer (where the point is), or no particular answer, because of the assumption of inconclusive information. there is no real answer. i think this has been established.
can we get a less convoluted question?
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One could create a virtual reality simulator on that aforementioned piece of ass and generate a infinite space within its confines.
koods needs to do some non-standard anal-ysis.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756346 - 10/20/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is my answer,
The human mind is simple. Tis us who complicate things.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: koods]
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zZZz said: Ure pretty good starfire, koods was right, it wasn't really a math problem per se.. yet u were able to use math to come to a reasonable conclusion, the answer is infinite, that is to say u have an infinite amount of choices to choose from, could be anything really..

No, it's not infinite. The lower limit is 0 and the upper limit is about a mile.
so there are an infinite number of SOLUTIONS between
here is a solution .0000000001 mile.

Koods, how far apart are those two streets? There is an infinite number of solutions in the limit because there are an infinite number of points on each line. I make the assumption that we measure in a unbounded continuous plane, that is the best I can do.
if they were parallel, then the answer would be d if they are also the same length. So the solution is d+infinity.
you have no information at all that the boundary is about a mile.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: getting hot for Koods Akira..?
Fixed it for ya Z.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756380 - 10/20/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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1 = 0
solved.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756410 - 10/20/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So can we all agree that the only answer is there are an unlimited number of SOLUTIONS to this problem as written?
It can't be solved is the kiddie answer.
And Koods, you should know that the Planck length wouldn't be used in a mathematics class when taking a limit. They might do that in a quantum physics class.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756425 - 10/20/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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if there is an infinite number of solutions, why can't you point one out? is it because the question is not addressing the call for a particular answer, and is addressing the need for a particular theorem to explain it?
because i think none of the above has been positively acquired, save with the exception of the postulate, 1 = 0 (ie, the answer is zero, the absence of a definite postulate, equals 1, which is code for "the answer".)
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756439 - 10/20/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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think in terms of a solution set, not one answer.
if the roads are parallel and of the same length, and the house is about a mile the solution is about a mile.
In any other case, there is an infinite number of solutions as the problem is given. Therefore there is an infinite number of solutions.
Like I said, this is a 'Common Core' type of problem, and way too advanced for kids.
In the end, yes, that problem is poorly written.
But 'If a ball and a bat cost $1.10, and the bat costs one dollar more than the ball, how much is the ball'
That is a perfectly worded question.
Obviously if the bat is 1.00 more than the ball, they both don't cost 1.10. That was what pris first implied.
so if the bat and ball cost 1.10 then
ball cost + ball cost+1.00 =1.10
then 2x ball cost = .1
Simple, and a perfectly worded question.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756453 - 10/20/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i don't see how the set can contain infinites when the answer is already postulated as finite as "about a mile". 
i mean the question does not postulate a set...order cannot not be derived from zZZz's question, regarding the infinite within a solution set, hence the solution set does not therefore provide any axiom of provability.
so it seems to me.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756463 - 10/20/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i don't see how the set can contain infinites when the answer is already postulated as finite as "about a mile". 
i mean the question does not postulate a set...order cannot not be derived from zZZz's question, regarding the infinite within a solution set, hence the solution set does not therefore provide any axiom of provability.
so it seems to me.
but i gave the conditions i based my solution on. Go back and look.
Now here is an easy one:
If you have two big balls, and you are balls deep in the neighbors wife, and the neighbors husband walks in with a 12 guage loaded with buck shot and catches you, how many balls do you have left?
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756481 - 10/20/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Ure pretty good starfire, koods was right, it wasn't really a math problem per se.. yet u were able to use math to come to a reasonable conclusion, the answer is infinite, that is to say u have an infinite amount of choices to choose from, could be anything really..

No, it's not infinite. The lower limit is 0 and the upper limit is about a mile.
so there are an infinite number of SOLUTIONS between
here is a solution .0000000001 mile.

Koods, how far apart are those two streets? There is an infinite number of solutions in the limit because there are an infinite number of points on each line. I make the assumption that we measure in a unbounded continuous plane, that is the best I can do.
if they were parallel, then the answer would be d if they are also the same length. So the solution is d+infinity.
you have no information at all that the boundary is about a mile.
This is dumb. Zzzz ruined this thread.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: koods]
#23756483 - 10/20/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL
yeah, i still don't see a definite answer -- and in math there is always a definite answer. you can't just be like the answer is "whatever the answer might be within an infinite set of solutions".
like...wtf?
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starfire_xes said: but i gave the conditions i based my solution on. Go back and look.
Now here is an easy one:
If you have two big balls, and you are balls deep in the neighbors wife, and the neighbors husband walks in with a 12 guage loaded with buck shot and catches you, how many balls do you have left? 
like i said before, 1 = 0.
the gun blows off your balls, and unless you count the new mass of destroyed koods pussy, as a ball, you've got 0 balls left.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756493 - 10/20/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you say how close are two lines to each other. what you are asking is what is the minimum distance between them. All this other stuff is useless nonsense.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: koods]
#23756502 - 10/20/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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but dude, infinitesimals, they exist, so hence, phooey on you!
*kicks rock*
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: koods]
#23756511 - 10/20/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, you are about right Koods. The gist of the thread was originally how the human mind processes information, and why the subconscious can deceive us. No don't tell me I was trying to start another shitty thread with this, I gave a valid problem about a psychological concept (attribute substitution.)
By the way, is Planck's length used anywhere except theoretical physics?
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756531 - 10/20/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PS: this ZzzZ stuff sounds like it's a subject of the study of Mereology.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756592 - 10/20/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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like I said, the human mind is simple, but we complicate things..
What we used to call one, now we call two..
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
#23756595 - 10/21/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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^Im going on 100% ssdi, and am going back to the university to become a new-age, theoretical psychologist and expert on human neural systems.
And I'm going to never stop until I've pumped every single Female Chinese Phd and Phd Candidate I can for information.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756616 - 10/21/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right on
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz] 1
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zZZz said: like I said, the human mind is simple, but we complicate things..
What we used to call one, now we call two..
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
#23756626 - 10/21/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Right on 
Like I said, when the wick is wet, the lamp shines brighter.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756648 - 10/21/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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though, not if it's submerged; then it doesn't shine at all.
maybe light isn't what is shining in those depths.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756655 - 10/21/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: though, not if it's submerged; then it doesn't shine at all.
maybe light isn't what is shining in those depths.
Urban Dictionary:
dip the wick The act of boinking. For the male to insert his love hog into the young lady and cover it in her love juice
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756682 - 10/21/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah...i gathered your metaphor....
maybe your "brightness" is just a facade of your own making? you'd like to think you dipping your wick is the end-all-be-all of comprehending human psychology...hmmm, i'd tend to disagree. more than sex, the more contemptible killing seems to strike more of a match with the human psyche. just sayin'.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756688 - 10/21/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's not what I meant. I meant a healthy sex life makes you healthier.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756691 - 10/21/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh the lamp is health? i thought the lamp was the "human mind". my bad.
you're right. healthy anything will make a healthier what-have-you. healthy sex is healthy. healthy thinking is healthy. healthy actions are healthy.
i am probably overthinking things by now. i yield.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756702 - 10/21/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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healthy mind is the lamp, a healthy mind shines brighter, and i believe it is reasonable to assume that healthy sex leads to better psychological health.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23756714 - 10/21/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'd tend to agree with that sentiment, but then, when evaluating the psyche and what makes people tick...what makes lamps shine brighter...i don't think the buck stops at "healthy sex".
i mean...i just have to wonder...what connotes to "unhealthy sex"? i'm pretty sure, despite the obvious aspects of denigrating others for your own pleasure, that any kind of sex can "brighten the lamp", even the presumed "unhealthy kind". that is, of course, unless by that you mean a kind of sexual desire that is obviously harmful to your psyche and physical body, such as...cannibalism...and now we arrive at the apex of, at least, my theory...that violence is as much directly relational to the "brightness of a lamp", as sex seems to be. which leads me to conclude that they are intertwined in a way that most people will not touch on, save the fact that they are into either some hardcore sex bullshit (BDSM for example), or they are a psycho-sexual predator, or someone in forensic psychology and criminology whom deals with said predators.
but this does seem to be...somewhat of a concurrent link with the metaphor, and that's why i expanded on it...and quite frankly, your metaphor, as it is so expanded...freaks me the fuck out.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: akira_akuma]
#23756771 - 10/21/16 01:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is dumb. Zzzz ruined this thread.
Alright try this one on for size
If ghdgfajkjbi = 3
tdgsfejucji = ?
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: zZZz]
#23756784 - 10/21/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pescadero, brah.
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Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality]
#23756884 - 10/21/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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falsereality said: Damn. Pris is right.
Like usual
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