|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Understanding The Human Mind
#23755861 - 10/20/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I've got a new hobby, gleaned from years of reading in psychology, hypnosis, neuro linguistic programming, and psychology theory. This has become my new passion, and I have even thought of going back to grad school in the EE department (Again) to study neural networks with psychology as a basis for developing computer system architecture.
As far as understanding about the mind, a lot of people might say 'We only use 10% of our brain--if we could harness the other 90% we could do unimaginable things.
I don't know, I can imagine a lot of things! But, in reference to the question above--HOGWASH. I believe we use 90% of our mind, and that perhaps 10% of it is unused. I say this on the basis that so many of our thoughts, choices, and actions are made almost instantaneously, with little thought. Our subconscious actually does the majority of work behind the scenes and constructs a response to a situation or image of our current world view based on previous learned experience.
But then one has to consider creativity--how much is spontaneous, and how much is subconsciously developed from our world view? As one can see, this could lead into interesting experiments with--you guessed it--psychedelic drugs.
I've got a lot of interesting examples already, but I will start with a good 'bar math problem' that will stump even brilliant scientists and math students, if their response is spontaneous. And once you know this problem, its a killer at social events.
Put down your spontaneous answer first, then use simple algebra to calculate the answer. Be honest, and then we will discuss this problem. It's an example of what is called 'Attribute Substitution.'
Q: You see a baseball and a bat on sale for one dollar and ten cents. The bat costs one dollar more than the ball. how much is the ball?
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
Prisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!


Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes] 1
#23755870 - 10/20/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
starfire_xes said: Q: You see a baseball and a bat on sale for one dollar and ten cents. The bat costs one dollar more than the ball. how much is the ball?
are you seeking the answer you want or one of the 2 correct answers
|
John Nada
Toujours Frais

Registered: 03/03/03
Posts: 97,746
Loc: Hotwings; race car
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755877 - 10/20/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
We use all of our brains, just like we use all of the rest of our organs. Some people are just retarded is all.
|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755884 - 10/20/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
The total sale price of both is $1.10.
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
Prisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!


Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755893 - 10/20/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
starfire_xes said: The total sale price of both is $1.10.
is that your final answer
|
falsereality


Registered: 04/01/13
Posts: 4,112
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755896 - 10/20/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I would encourage you to go for it man, it's an amazingly interesting and fulfilling field.
ball = 10 cents
x + y = 1.10 x + 1 = y x = .1
|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality] 1
#23755906 - 10/20/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
falsereality said: I would encourage you to go for it man, it's an amazingly interesting and fulfilling field.
ball = 10 cents
x + y = 1.10 x + 1 = y x = .1
WRONG ANSWER.
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
zZZz
jesus


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755908 - 10/20/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
I dislike those type of math problems very much, mostly cuz they make my mind all loopy
I also think we use like 90% of our brains, personally I feel like I use 110%, but like most of it is wasted on bullshit.
|
falsereality


Registered: 04/01/13
Posts: 4,112
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755919 - 10/20/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
starfire_xes said:
WRONG ANSWER.
I blame it on the kratom (first time dosing in half a year)
x + y = 1.10 y = 1.10 - x x + 1 = y
Edited by falsereality (10/20/16 07:57 PM)
|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality] 1
#23755928 - 10/20/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
But you should easily get it with Algebra! Don't say anything about the answer.
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
Prisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!


Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755934 - 10/20/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
starfire_xes said: This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
it's an easy problem because the ball costs 5 cents, if the bat cost $1 more than the ball and the ball was 10 cents then the bat would be $1.10 costing a total of $1.20
|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755949 - 10/20/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:
starfire_xes said: This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
it's an easy problem because the ball costs 5 cents, if the bat cost $1 more than the ball and the ball was 10 cents then the bat would be $1.10 costing a total of $1.20
But you thought about it a long time. There was a survey done of this problem and they asked like 50 people to give the spontaneous answer and they all said .10
I haven't asked a single person who got the answer correct spontaneously.
That was the gist of the problem the spontaneous solution, not the thought out solution.
The algebraic solution is simple. x+x+1 = 1.10
2x=.1 x=.05.
Thanks for ruining the problem for everyone else.
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
falsereality


Registered: 04/01/13
Posts: 4,112
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755950 - 10/20/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Damn. Pris is right.
|
zZZz
jesus


Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755953 - 10/20/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Ive got a similar question for y'all:
A man walks into a bar and asks the bartender for two shots of whisky and a beer. The bartender gives the man 2 beers and one shot of whiskey. What did the man originally ask the bartender for?..
|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality]
#23755955 - 10/20/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
falsereality said: Damn. Pris is right.
yea, he worked it out.
Or else we are all going to bow down to Pris because his math IQ is around 190. They asked this to Phds at MIT and they could not spontaneously do it in their heads. 
They all said .10/
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
Prisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!


Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755959 - 10/20/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
starfire_xes said:
Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:
starfire_xes said: This is considered a really hard problem to do in ones head due to the psychological concept of attribute substitution.
it's an easy problem because the ball costs 5 cents, if the bat cost $1 more than the ball and the ball was 10 cents then the bat would be $1.10 costing a total of $1.20
But you thought about it a long time.
no, I didnt think about it a long time, that why I asked if you wanted one of the two right answers, the other right answer being 'fuck off with your kiddie math questions
Quote:
There was a survey done of this problem and they asked like 50 people to give the spontaneous answer and they all said .10
you got this shit off facebook didnt you
|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755965 - 10/20/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
No it came off a psychology. I worded it wrong at first, if you would have just answered i'm sure you would say .1. everyone else i've asked in real did, but I haven't tried to WRIte IT OUT.
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: starfire_xes]
#23755973 - 10/20/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
it just seems so obvious that it's 10...but so obviously it's not ten, because the way the question is phrased...makes it seem impossible that that math adds up. yes, you have to think about the doubling of the money by way of the logic presented in the question.
think: the bat is a dollar more than the ball, but don't deduce the ball is simply subtracted from the dollar amount, to get the final answer...because as Pris explained...the logic in the question is more subtle that simple deduction.
i don't get it, frankly...but i'm seeing the picture, i think, somewhat.
|
falsereality


Registered: 04/01/13
Posts: 4,112
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23755974 - 10/20/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Prisoner#1 said: no, I didnt think about it a long time, that why I asked if you wanted one of the two right answers, the other right answer being 'fuck off with your kiddie math questions
Watch out, we got a badass over here. I didn't get it right off the bat and this was my homework last week.
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Understanding The Human Mind [Re: falsereality]
#23755977 - 10/20/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
|
|
he's right, it's a simply math problem, it's just...represented in some kind of fuzzy logic. i mean the phrasing is off-putting, at least; if i do say so myself.
you have to think of the doubling of the money...the "more" part of the phrasing.
hmmmm
|
|