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Spawn run - ready to fruit? EDIT: pins baby, pins
    #23755506 - 10/20/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hi guys!

Great place you got going here. I've been a silent observer for some time now and I got my first 5 jars 100% colonized and spawned to bulk exactly 7 days ago.
Couple of pics...kinda hard to see through the condensation, but this was the best I could take.






Fruit or wait a couple more days? This is rye grain in quart jars -> coir/verm/gypsum bulk substrate via Damion5050's tek, no casing.

Also I have a second question about the lighting fixture I got. Its 6500k and 1250 lumen, could be a bit more powerful I guess but Im asking more about the position of the light, is it okay for it to sit right on top of the tub like that?

And while I'm here....is untaping the holes + polyfilling them going to provide the 3-4 air exchanges an hour that were looking for?
Maybe also turn the lid 90 degrees while im home/lid upside down when I'm gone?
I am a little confused as to how to tell when to mist!


Anyway a lot of questions here..thanks in advance for your help and all the best,
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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23755757 - 10/20/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You shouldn't have to mist, the monotub design provides all the FAE. Speaking of... what's up with the tub? Where are the holes? There's a lot of tape all over that thing. Did you tape the bottom and sides to try to prevent pins?

The light should be fine providing it doesn't heat up the tub too much.
People fruit at spawn some do not, it's just preference.
Turning the lids I've only seen with bodhisatta's no hole no poly tub.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23755784 - 10/20/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

lol yea I guess it looks a little dodgy, I covered it with a trashbag initially but later learned that its not necessary so I cut some windows in it.
The holes are there, just taped up good :laugh:


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23755791 - 10/20/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

2 low on each long (4 total) and 1 high on each of the short (2 total)? Are the low ones above or below substrate level?


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23755810 - 10/20/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just above substrate level: one 2" hole on each of the long sides and two 1.5" holes on each of the short sides
Below the lid: one 2" hole  on each of the short sides.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23755831 - 10/20/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Your holes are in the wrong spots. 2 on each long side low and 1 on each short side high. When put in fruiting you stuff the low holes tight with poly and loose on the 2 high holes


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: PortabellaFella 1]
    #23756039 - 10/20/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome :smile: I'd stick to keeping the lid on regular status and using polyfill to achieve passive air movement.

The idea being with adjusting the polyfill (and proper moisture content/field capacity) the monotub tek is a set and forget.

Large_dose has a great thread outlining monotubs.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23757017 - 10/21/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks guys. I got some great info from large_dose and Franks posts.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23757233 - 10/21/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There's a bunch of posts on here about fruiting without holes. It works.

As far as when to fruit or if it's ready to fruit, your tub will fruit weather you control that or not and it will do so when it is fully colonized. The idea is that the imperfect lid allows enough FAE for continued GE.

I have a mini mono going right now with no holes, the substrate isn't too wet, and the imperfect lid is allowing GE, growth is normal and perfectly healthy.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23757329 - 10/21/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've found that using a similar "no hole method" with shoeboxes can often lead to a much larger and more even pinset.  The lid does not seal airtight and provides plenty of GE/FAE to help knot up the substrate.  I do however, when ready, place the shoeboxes in a normal 66 qt mono with the lids off of course and give them plenty of fresh air at fruiting. 

Why sacrifice fresh air when you don't have to?  Pinning substrates crave a lot of it, not to mention the evaporation is essential.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23757333 - 10/21/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It also depends on how hydrated your sub is. My tub was nearing its final flush and I taped the holes up to keep the sub from drying too fast, and bam completely flushed again.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23757462 - 10/21/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Great info guys, thx!

How do you check if the sub has enough moisture thoe?
Also when your fruiting without the lid on, do you need to give additional moisture by misting?


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23757667 - 10/21/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Droplets on the surface of the sub tell you when there's enough moisture, unless it's oversaturated, then you'll have pools of water.

You want to find the balance.
You'll figure it out by watching how the tub responds.

Take note of these things to make it easier on yourself.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23757865 - 10/21/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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spaghettilover said:
Great info guys, thx!

How do you check if the sub has enough moisture thoe?
Also when your fruiting without the lid on, do you need to give additional moisture by misting?





I'm only suggesting to fruit a shoebox without the lid of you are housing them in a 66qt monotub, which does have a lid.  You'll need it to keep humidity up and the keep surface moisture beaded on the surface.  Once the knots already form in the closed shoebox is when you want to consider taking the lid off and misting, then placing it in the mono.


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23759211 - 10/21/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I see. Thx for clearing that up.
The fruiting is the most confusing part at the moment :laugh:


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23791379 - 11/01/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys!

It's been 12 days since I put this monotub into fruiting conditions and ..well the results are starting to show lol...
Anyway I was thinking what the latest and greatest is on monotub air exchange during fruiting - is it better to take the lid off, or polyfill atleast to allow even more FAE for this period?

Thanks in advance
I promise I'll post some pics later! :laugh:


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    #23792275 - 11/01/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Lol its sideways for some reason, but look how cute!!


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Re: Spawn run - ready to fruit? [Re: spaghettilover]
    #23792278 - 11/01/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty sure polyfill is the most common one I see. Looks awesome!


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