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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly] * 2
    #23758488 - 10/21/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Dosing every couple of weeks is enough to build up that tolerance over time. I lost the magic. Took over 2 years off, and the magic returned. These days the less the better. More then a few times a year, and the novelty/magic diminishes again. Also, I agree fully with  nooneman's posts above. Being a psychedelic explorer has nothing to do with how much or how often one doses.  Also, the amount of psychedelic experiences is not the way to consciousness evolution & enlightenment. Some people get things out of their experiences, and others don't. Frankly, dosing all the time is more likely to just turn people into whacked out spunions. I thought I was evolving my consciousness & on the path to enlightenment when I was dosing all the time. In reality I was a whacked out spunion. I learned some important things, but a lot of what went through my head was delusional. My consciousness evolved when stopped doing drugs all the time & focused on life. As far as enlightenment, that's a dream. I've met many people, and have yet to meet anyone that's achieved a permanent state of enlightenment. I've had more moments where it all came together then I can count. But it all fades in time, and life is fluid. Things change & we evolve.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23758571 - 10/21/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think being a psychedelic explorer is indicated by how well you can manage yourself whilst tripping and remaining responsible/safe.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly]
    #23758715 - 10/21/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hay sudly, not to make fun, but as a scientist, your graph is shit. It is based in reality no doubt, but obviously no actual data points were collected. Sorry bruh, disinformation really bugs me.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: IAMNOTALLAMA]
    #23758733 - 10/21/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's a basic example of tolerance, obviously it'll be different for every individual because there are numerous biological and psychological variables.

If you have better information could you share it?


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly]
    #23759026 - 10/21/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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To say that consciousness/conscience have origins in mysticism is as ignorant as humans have been in the past, if there is any explanation of the origin of consciousness/conscience and the human experience, it lies within the sciences of evolution, biology and physics.

The only thing I agree with Terrence Mckenna on is that the anxiolytic properties of psilocybin likely influenced the evolution of the conscience.




These are nothing more than your opinions. What makes you even think the goal of mysticism is to provide an explanation of the origin of consciousness?


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23759047 - 10/21/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think that is the goal of mysticism and I don't think mysticism can answer the question of the origin of 'consciousness'. I think the goal of mysticism is to explore your imagination. 

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Mysticism: belief that union with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or the spiritual apprehension of knowledge inaccessible to the intellect, may be attained through contemplation and self-surrender.




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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23759059 - 10/21/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Dosing every couple of weeks is enough to build up that tolerance over time. I lost the magic. Took over 2 years off, and the magic returned. These days the less the better. More then a few times a year, and the novelty/magic diminishes again. Also, I agree fully with  nooneman's posts above. Being a psychedelic explorer has nothing to do with how much or how often one doses.  Also, the amount of psychedelic experiences is not the way to consciousness evolution & enlightenment. Some people get things out of their experiences, and others don't. Frankly, dosing all the time is more likely to just turn people into whacked out spunions. I thought I was evolving my consciousness & on the path to enlightenment when I was dosing all the time. In reality I was a whacked out spunion. I learned some important things, but a lot of what went through my head was delusional. My consciousness evolved when stopped doing drugs all the time & focused on life. As far as enlightenment, that's a dream. I've met many people, and have yet to meet anyone that's achieved a permanent state of enlightenment. I've had more moments where it all came together then I can count. But it all fades in time, and life is fluid. Things change & we evolve.




How do you know you're not enlightened? You say you haven't met anyone who has achieved a permanent state of enlightenment. That implies that not only do you know what enlightenment is but you also must have some kind of test to determine whether the people you meet are, or are not enlightened.

I am curious how you make such determinations, especially if you think enlightenment is a dream.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly]
    #23759079 - 10/21/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think that is the goal of mysticism and I don't think mysticism can answer the question of the origin of 'consciousness'. I think the goal of mysticism is to explore your imagination. 

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Mysticism: belief that union with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or the spiritual apprehension of knowledge inaccessible to the intellect, may be attained through contemplation and self-surrender.







The difference between mysticism and sciences like physics is that physics deals largely with theoretical and mathematical truths which might hold great meaning to people with a keen interest in physics but lack the resonance of truth on emotional level. Mysticism is more about tuning into the truth of our experience, for which we do not need to be good a math or have elaborate laboratory equipment. The human psyche can be explored through stories, mythologies, parables just as much as it can be explored through scientific knowledge. ANd the latter arguably is more relevant to the life of your average person, who may not care a whole lot about the properties of electrons but cares a great deal about their own emotional state.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23759091 - 10/21/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I've had more moments where it all came together then I can count




That doesn't fade in my eyes. :tongue2:
All I need to believe is that conscience results from a repeated temporary relative paralysis of the sympathetic nervous system catalyzed by the anxiolytic properties of entheogens like psilocybin.

Don't forget that according to some mysticism sperm is made in the spine. :shrug:


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly]
    #23759101 - 10/21/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You may not care about electrons but if you care about your life you should care about the length of the telomeres on your chromosomes because they are indicative of your lifespan.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly]
    #23759119 - 10/21/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

But the fungus does take
a route in me to guide whom I hold in sublime jurisdiction.
The conscience it wakes, shaking off sleepy dreams, to set off
and take on unfinished business.


^ That is all psychedelics/entheogens catalyze for me, and I am grateful for it.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly]
    #23759145 - 10/21/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I've had more moments where it all came together then I can count




That doesn't fade in my eyes. :tongue2:
All I need to believe is that conscience results from a repeated temporary relative paralysis of the sympathetic nervous system catalyzed by the anxiolytic properties of entheogens like psilocybin.

Don't forget that according to some mysticism sperm is made in the spine. :shrug:




I find some of your theories very interesting. Can you elaborate on how you arrived at this conclusion? If this is true, what about cultures like the eskimo who did not use psychedelics? SHouldnt they have under developed consciences?


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23759202 - 10/21/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

- Animals eat magic mushrooms.

- Magic mushrooms contain anxyiolytics(psilocybin) and work on the serotonergic system.
- They act as an agonist on the sympathetic nervous system both stimulating and inhibiting it which numbs it.
- The sympathetic nervous system governs the fight or flight response
- Numbing the fight or flight response removes 'gut instinct' and allows for focused perception.



Eskimos practiced shamanism too.
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Examples of traditional entheogens include: peyote, psilocybin mushrooms, uncured tobacco, cannabis, ayahuasca, Salvia divinorum, Tabernanthe iboga, Ipomoea tricolor, and Amanita muscaria.




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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23759610 - 10/21/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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sudly said:
- Animals eat magic mushrooms.

- Magic mushrooms contain anxyiolytics(psilocybin) and work on the serotonergic system.
- They act as an agonist on the sympathetic nervous system both stimulating and inhibiting it which numbs it.
- The sympathetic nervous system governs the fight or flight response
- Numbing the fight or flight response removes 'gut instinct' and allows for focused perception.



Eskimos practiced shamanism too.
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Examples of traditional entheogens include: peyote, psilocybin mushrooms, uncured tobacco, cannabis, ayahuasca, Salvia divinorum, Tabernanthe iboga, Ipomoea tricolor, and Amanita muscaria.







Brilliant theory. I would consider this theory to be a form of esoteric theory because it deals with the inner workings of the nervous system. For me, mysticism is about whatever is true about life be it in the field of natural science, mysticism, philosophy, religion, etc.

My only criticism for your theory would be, could other factors also be coming into play in the process of developing what you call conscience? Perhaps psilocybin mushrooms are not playing as large a role as they appear, despite having an important role.

Btw, I saw that picture of the fox eating the magic mushroom on the soma shaman's website. Have you tried amanaita muscaria?


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23759618 - 10/21/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

When psilocybin is metalobised into psilocin the chemical structure mimics the serotonin molecule, in essence the active ingredient of magic mushrooms is a serotonin neurotransmitter.

I've only had psilocybes.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Peyote Road] * 2
    #23760437 - 10/22/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Enlightenment is specifically drawn out in ancient traditions such as Buddhism. A state of enlightenment is lasting, and would permanently detach someone from the dramas of life. That's something I've never seen. Again, I've had plenty of experiences where it all came together; experiences that people would call enlightenment. But the reality is that little to nothing actually changed, it didn't bring lasting peace & understanding, and the experience always faded. This idea of taking something & finding enlightenment is a pipe dream.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23760451 - 10/22/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelics just open the door for you, it's up to you to walk through. They are teachers in essence until you learn enough from them for you to become the teacher :wink:


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Eclipse3130] * 2
    #23760480 - 10/22/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They can teach you about yourself. Anything else is up for debate. I've been a part of the psychedelic culture for a long time, and the reality is that the majority of people I've come across that are spunions are delusional, maladjusted & have myriad issues. Myself being one of them at the time. All the massive doses & religious experiences & work I did spreading the love didn't stop me from destroying myself with hard drugs. It didn't cure the discontent in my soul. It didn't bring me lasting peace & healing. I began to heal when I stopped looking for the answer in drugs. And it's an ongoing process. I have my ups & downs, am somewhat in a down right now. Though my ups & downs are now are nothing like they used to be. Waves compared to rollercoasters..... When you think it all figured out, you don't know shit. When you realize that you'll never have it all figured out.....and are ok with that, that's when you're starting to figure it out.

The folks that don't take it all that seriously & don't do it all the time are the ones that have actually reaped benefits that can be seen in their daily lives. The shit we experience while tripping are possibilities, not facts. Too many people on this forum take these experiences as gospel, and they're not. There's good stuff to found within, but also a lot of crazy shit that's delusion. You have to sift through it & practice with a questioning attitude or else you'll lose your shit.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23761157 - 10/22/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

enlightenment is the easts version of the wests salvation for the commoner its to keep them coming back and give them long term hope, for the uncorrupted monastic its living out the revelatory wisdom of the awakened ones throughtout the ages in every single moment of daily life - "the practice" .

I have done time in the monastery, psychedelics can show you things about yourself that you would find out regardless if you had a strict wisdom tradition that was practiced daily in a spartan like environment.

I have seen the real deal in others, and only glimpsed it in my own life for short times.  Some do truly live it - but guess what they arent shouting on the roof tops, nor are they on the forums, their out there doing it - you can find 1 if you try hard enough.  Most likly you wont because they are far from normal society living within nature experiencing the natural mystical state daily.


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Re: Are there any real psychedelic explorers on this board? [Re: Lawnboy1185]
    #23762055 - 10/22/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a little bit pressed for time at the moment (because I'm getting ready to trip tonight, after doing it twice during this past week), but I have tripped easily over 250 times in the past 6 years and regularly do more than 5g each time, many times WAY more.

I went through a phase of experiencing adverse symptoms such as anxiety, muscle spasms, etc... but I came to learn that these negative symptoms were due to tons of buried mental/spiritual/emotional baggage coming to the surface and being resolved. Those negative symptoms no longer happen.

After learning how to tense all of my muscles and sit still to alleviate the bad symptoms I began to include yoga and rituals such as the Lesser Banishing Ritual Of The Pentagram, Resh vel Helios, and practicing The Bornless Ritual as well as reading thelemic holy books out loud. This has helped immensely but much of this is very personal and needs to be learned/experienced on an individual level because understanding comes with a shift in consciousness, so stating some things plainly often goes right over people's heads or leaves them shocked. Out of everything I have learned I can say that I have invented nothing and everything I do has been published, if that may help the curious to investigate.

As far as "losing the magic" with frequent dosing, my experience proves that to not always be true. In regards to myself, that is possibly because of a physical detox/cleansing that was triggered that has been ongoing for several years, unfortunately that's not one of the things I can openly discuss. Often progress has been made by first having a trip where a bunch of old baggage/guilt etc... is brought to the surface and let go followed by another one the next day where progress can be made after the psychic waters have been cleared. And my tolerance most definitely goes way back down after two weeks, even sooner.


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