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bodhisatta 
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No. If you grow from spores you get average cubensis.
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Mooshie_Muncha
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23754309 - 10/20/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: No. If you grow from spores you get average cubensis.
Meaning? Awesome profile pic, btw.
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bodhisatta 
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Meaning there's nothing special about varieties. You have hundreds if not thousands of strains in a single grow if you started with spores. Your appearances, potency, size, etc.. will be all over the place
The spores don't even know they have a name slapped on the outside of their syringe
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23754312 - 10/20/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting. Seems that I still have to do a lot of research. I was hoping to clone a vigorous strain once I start with agar.
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ComebackKid
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Meaning GT is your average cube It will look like a cube in most cases
If you cloned a fruit with slightly different genetic characteristics than you would get more fruits that look like that
If you had spores from a stabilized strain of cubensis with different genetic characteristics like PE or AA+ you would expect to get mostly fruits that look like that
In your case you have GT spores and you should expect average cube characteristics
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NDStepp84
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Agar can help with consistency, but the most important use of agar above all is clean spawn. Recognizing and producing clean spawn is of upmost importance.
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Mooshie_Muncha
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23754365 - 10/20/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see... Makes sense. So the dark caps aren't something to worry about?
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NDStepp84 said: Agar can help with consistency, but the most important use of agar above all is clean spawn. Recognizing and producing clean spawn is of upmost importance.
Meaning, that it should be contaminant free? Sorry about the noob questions, but knowledge is power and asking a foolish question means that I'll only be a fool for that question.
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Mooshie_Muncha said: I see... Makes sense. So the dark caps aren't something to worry about?
Nothing to worry about, they might not even be "authentic" golden teachers, some spore sellers just sell any old spores under the name you want. The seller I buy from has a cubensis "of their choice" sold at a cheaper rate, that's the one I usually go for as it makes little difference to me if all you want is a standard cubensis.
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Mooshie_Muncha said: Meaning, that it should be contaminant free?
Yes, "clean" meaning free from contams. Many presume spore syringes will contain contaminants as many of them are produced in non sterile environments, so by using agar with care you should have cleaner growth than using syringes.
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: blackout]
#23754764 - 10/20/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks heaps. I see that the caps are busy going a bit lighter around the edges and they'll be ready for picking tomorrow to maintain potency. I actually got these from a friend who grew his own last year. So, I assume that they are GT's, but either way, they are active and that's all that I care about at the moment. Guess it's just my inexperience talking, haha.
I thought so. I have read up quite a bit on how to clone to agar, how to ensure that you take a clean section, etc. However, the only problem is getting the proper equipment. With time, I suppose.
Since I want to grow a mono, what would my success rate be if I spawn about 2 quarts of BRF to Damion's coir tek? Would it be a waste?
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Spawning BRF to bulk would most likely be a waste yeah. BRF cakes are so bacterial its better just to let them fruit as cakes rather than waste time letting them colonize bulk sub and potentially allowing for more contamination to take foot. Your yields wont much better even if it is successful
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: ComebackKid]
#23754775 - 10/20/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ComebackKid said: Spawning BRF to bulk would most likely be a waste yeah. BRF cakes are so bacterial its better just to let them fruit as cakes rather than waste time letting them colonize bulk sub and allowing for more contamination to take foot. Your yields wont much better even if it is successful
God damn it. So, I finally discover my passion, and now it's marred by a lack of equipment.
Oh well... Guess I'll have to start saving up for a ridiculously priced PC or to build some other sterilizer.
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NDStepp84
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Check out a presto 23 or mirro, best value PC's. Don't forget properly drying and storage of fruits, you need heat and moving air to get fruits cracker dry so they don't loose potency over time. A dehydrator set to max temp until cracker dry is the standard, then stored air tight. If fruits are still bendy when stored the small amount of moisture in them will cause oxidation and degradation of actives.
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amidogen
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: NDStepp84]
#23754833 - 10/20/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: Check out a presto 23 or mirro, best value PC's.
It's the Presto 23 that costs ~$800 with shipping, haha. I'll have a look at Mirro though and see if I can, by some miracle, source one locally.
Interesting. I never knew that. I knew that they had to be cracker dry, but never knew that slight moisture leads to Psilocybin degradation. I don't have a food dehydrator either. I assume that an oven, on its lowest setting, with the lid cracked, should work?
How about fan drying them? I live in a warm area that has an average day of about 91.4 degrees Fahrenheit.
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amidogen
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Mooshie_Muncha
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: amidogen]
#23754860 - 10/20/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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amidogen said: You've got a few options here...
First, a PC, while the most expensive piece of equipment, isn't awful. $70 gets you a brand new 16 qt presto on amazon, and an extra $10 gets you a 23 qt (holds 10 qt jars instead of 7).
Thanks for the suggestions and I am really into it. However, Amazon doesn't ship to my country. Postal service theft and what not. This limits my options quite a bit and my perusal of the internet, has led me to sites that ask almost 10 times the product price for shipping. Perks of living in a criminal country.
I'll definitely think about the suggestions that you made though and I do have an SAB that seems to be working quite well. One day, a man can dream, of owning a HEPA flow hood.
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Mooshie_Muncha
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: amidogen]
#23754865 - 10/20/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you live in Antarctica? Or did you just read the price wrong? The actual presto 23 qt costs ~$80 give or take a few bucks on Amazon. Where do you live that charges $720 in shipping?
I just have a really hard time believing that price.
Sorry, found your other post explaining your situation. I'm sort of amazed you were able to source the spores honestly, more so than the PC.
In any event, as earlier posts pointed out, you can make do with steam sterilizing for extended periods and just having higher contam rates as a fact of life.
Haha, that's cool. The spores, was quite a hassle for my friend who ordered them from Germany. Luckily for me, I didn't have to go through that. Teach a man to fish and give him spores type of situation. Also, I read your signature some time ago when I was reading through this forum. Found it really amusing and it inspired me to start agar as well. With time, and yes, prolonged sterilization seems to be the way for now.
Edited by Mooshie_Muncha (10/20/16 01:23 PM)
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NDStepp84
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Mooshie_Muncha said:
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NDStepp84 said: Check out a presto 23 or mirro, best value PC's.
It's the Presto 23 that costs ~$800 with shipping, haha. I'll have a look at Mirro though and see if I can, by some miracle, source one locally.
Interesting. I never knew that. I knew that they had to be cracker dry, but never knew that slight moisture leads to Psilocybin degradation. I don't have a food dehydrator either. I assume that an oven, on its lowest setting, with the lid cracked, should work?
How about fan drying them? I live in a warm area that has an average day of about 91.4 degrees Fahrenheit.
Man that sucks, I forget how convenient we have it in the US, you can't pick up a PC locally 5 min away at Walmart, but where there's a will there's a way. Oven drying on a low setting with door cracked and a fan would work
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Mooshie_Muncha
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Re: Are these pins healthy? Fuzzy feet? [Re: NDStepp84] 1
#23755336 - 10/20/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: Man that sucks, I forget how convenient we have it in the US, you can't pick up a PC locally 5 min away at Walmart, but where there's a will there's a way. Oven drying on a low setting with door cracked and a fan would work
Haha, that's cool, bro. And, yes, where there's a will, there's a way and I will definitely find a way. Even if I have to build a god damn sterilizer from the bottom up.
Thanks for all the advice and comments from everyone!
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amidogen
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 11:55 AM)
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