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I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD
    #23754742 - 10/20/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



A long while back I bought LSD for the first time and loved it. It tested positive in a modified elrich reagent test, and supposedly almost no one sold rc lysergamides as LSD because of the price, so I thought that this was the real deal.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22825723#22825723 (these are the tabs I bought)

But now that I have done a lot more LSD I realized those had way too clean of a feeling. And someone suggested here it was ALD-52.

I got a hold of some ALD 52 and I can confirm almost 100% that is what was on those shroom blotters. Probably about 30-50 ug per tab from the strength I feel from this chemical. And I have laid high quality lab tested crystal LSD with friends, but ALD so incredibly clean compared to that.

*edit* I did not describe clearly enough how different ALD is to me and many others, ALD does not cause visual distortion for me while LSD has extreme visual effects.



Moral of the story: some lsd dealers use expensive ingredients to give the impression of a Superior product. If you wouldn't be down with taking ALD or AL-LAD spend the 90 bucks and send it into a lab. Or just don't do LSD.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: dumbasswolf] * 3
    #23754766 - 10/20/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You can't make that claim. LSD was myriad effects, and trips will vary. Just because the trip "felt cleaner" doesn't mean it was ALD-52. You need a lab test to determine that. ALD-52 is too similar. Can't go by what the trip was like. I've had super clean feeling & rough feeling trips from the same batch of LSD. That's how it is.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23754836 - 10/20/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I prefer ALD-52, has a more consistent expectations of effect.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23754862 - 10/20/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'd take ALD-52 anytime instead of LSD


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23754866 - 10/20/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never tried ALD-52. Is it legally available on the clearnet or is it illegal?


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #23754875 - 10/20/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'd take ALD-52 anytime instead of LSD.

In some countries it's legal but always check thourughly about your local law before making any step and always remember to keep as much discretion as possible.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: WeAreMushroom]
    #23754878 - 10/20/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ya should still be on clearnet


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23755009 - 10/20/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You can't make that claim. LSD was myriad effects, and trips will vary. Just because the trip "felt cleaner" doesn't mean it was ALD-52. You need a lab test to determine that. ALD-52 is too similar. Can't go by what the trip was like. I've had super clean feeling & rough feeling trips from the same batch of LSD. That's how it is.




Dark Star is right on, no way you can tell. 'Clean' doesn't even mean anything. It's like saying something is organic or synthetic feeling, it's nonsense, you might as well say your trip felt more yellow and pointy.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23755032 - 10/20/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You can't make that claim. LSD was myriad effects, and trips will vary. Just because the trip "felt cleaner" doesn't mean it was ALD-52. You need a lab test to determine that. ALD-52 is too similar. Can't go by what the trip was like. I've had super clean feeling & rough feeling trips from the same batch of LSD. That's how it is.





I see your point, and some people seem to get very similar effects from the two. And I have had very clean LSD trips (with very clean crystal)

And maybe I have changed in the way I expereince the drug, but everybody who took the tabs said it was so incredibly clean. Honestly the two drugs don't compare for me. It's like the difference between LSA and LSD.

Plus I don't get any visual effects from high doses of ALD, but with LSD visuals are one of the first things I notice.

(I should have been more clear in my original post)


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23755067 - 10/20/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely a winner. Stock up while you can :wink:


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23755159 - 10/20/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I can tell ALD-52 from LSD easily based on consistent physical symptoms on the comeup that differ from LSD. This isn't fucking magic, it's a chemical I don't know how you people can't accept that your subjective experience isn't gospel, so everyone else is a liar. Maybe you're in better health so you don't notice additional cardiovascular stress or other effects that happen EVERY time regardless of your precious set & setting.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: nowhere]
    #23755213 - 10/20/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I can tell ALD-52 from LSD easily based on consistent physical symptoms on the comeup that differ from LSD. This isn't fucking magic, it's a chemical I don't know how you people can't accept that your subjective experience isn't gospel, so everyone else is a liar. Maybe you're in better health so you don't notice additional cardiovascular stress or other effects that happen EVERY time regardless of your precious set & setting.




Definitely agree, but the guys who commented earlier I think had a good point, I did not describe the situation well, and have added more detail.

I know some guys who consistently get more negative effects from ALD, more than enough to distinguish it from LSD in a blind test. Also some who cannot tell the difference at all.

It really varies, especially with lysergamides.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: nowhere] * 1
    #23755226 - 10/20/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I can tell ALD-52 from LSD easily based on consistent physical symptoms on the comeup that differ from LSD. This isn't fucking magic, it's a chemical I don't know how you people can't accept that your subjective experience isn't gospel, so everyone else is a liar. Maybe you're in better health so you don't notice additional cardiovascular stress or other effects that happen EVERY time regardless of your precious set & setting.




Chemically speaking there is no reason to believe the drugs would be any different besides some minor alterations in kinetics. I mean, of course that's just in theory. I'm not going to say it absolutely can't happen, but trips are highly variable even with the same drug and highly vulnerable to suggestion. I myself am in shit shape and can't tell the damned difference between ALD-52 and LSD. I've also had DOC that felt like LSD and LSD that didn't feel like LSD and mushrooms that felt like DMT... I will absolutely not suggest that psychedelic drugs have no differences, but i have to remain highly skeptical of anyone who can claim with near 100% certainty that they can distinguish ALD-52 from LSD in a blind test. This past weekend i took 20mg of 4-aco-met and it fucked me silly mentally and physically. 6 months ago i took 50mg and couldn't stop telling everyone how it was the cleanest easiest to handle psychedelic ever. It's not that I think anyone is a liar. I just agree with dark star because I have chased the subtleties of novel psychedelics for years only to conclude that with some exceptions I'd have a damned hard time distinguishing most of them in a blind test. The state of mind you end up in is just too damned sensitive to external and internal variables to accurately distinguish subtle differences in many cases. But hey, just my experience


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23755492 - 10/20/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Chemically speaking there is no reason to believe the drugs would be any different besides some minor alterations in kinetics. I mean, of course that's just in theory. I'm not going to say it absolutely can't happen, but trips are highly variable even with the same drug and highly vulnerable to suggestion. I myself am in shit shape and can't tell the damned difference between ALD-52 and LSD. I've also had DOC that felt like LSD and LSD that didn't feel like LSD and mushrooms that felt like DMT... I will absolutely not suggest that psychedelic drugs have no differences, but i have to remain highly skeptical of anyone who can claim with near 100% certainty that they can distinguish ALD-52 from LSD in a blind test. This past weekend i took 20mg of 4-aco-met and it fucked me silly mentally and physically. 6 months ago i took 50mg and couldn't stop telling everyone how it was the cleanest easiest to handle psychedelic ever. It's not that I think anyone is a liar. I just agree with dark star because I have chased the subtleties of novel psychedelics for years only to conclude that with some exceptions I'd have a damned hard time distinguishing most of them in a blind test. The state of mind you end up in is just too damned sensitive to external and internal variables to accurately distinguish subtle differences in many cases. But hey, just my experience




Good point, trips can end up anywhere no matter what substance you take.

In high doses I agree that you can not really say one substance is easier to handle or causes less discomfort, it really varies trip to trip.

But in small-medium doses (for me) the effects can be counted on and they vary substance to substance.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23755552 - 10/20/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ALD can be distuinguished a part from LSD, pretty easily in my case. I've blind tested it many times now to success, there's very common ALD traits that LSD doesn't have. And vise versa. It's night and day to me especially in microdose range and between 100 and 200 micrograms.

When you're a highly sensitive person with anxiety, with little drug tolerance, it's fairly easy in my case to feel the *ease* that comes with ALD compared to LSD; mind and body its just so much easier on, every single time. With LSD I will notice vasoconstriction usually in my throat and a "tight" body constriction feeling during the trip - LSD is simply more chaotic, mentally it's the tell tales of when I have LSD to ALD-52 in my blind tests. I will always have stress at some point on an LSD trip either in my body or mind, ALD not so much.

But for those who can't tell the difference I can understand, it's really not THAT different. To the sensitive person, I can understand completely how one would prefer ALD-52 to LSD-25. To the guy who just wants to trip and really doesn't care about fine tuning his experience, I get that too - you probably don't even care to look for the differences


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #23755689 - 10/20/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ALD can be distuinguished a part from LSD, pretty easily in my case. I've blind tested it many times now to success, there's very common ALD traits that LSD doesn't have. And vise versa. It's night and day to me especially in microdose range and between 100 and 200 micrograms.

When you're a highly sensitive person with anxiety, with little drug tolerance, it's fairly easy in my case to feel the *ease* that comes with ALD compared to LSD; mind and body its just so much easier on, every single time. With LSD I will notice vasoconstriction usually in my throat and a "tight" body constriction feeling during the trip - LSD is simply more chaotic, mentally it's the tell tales of when I have LSD to ALD-52 in my blind tests. I will always have stress at some point on an LSD trip either in my body or mind, ALD not so much.

But for those who can't tell the difference I can understand, it's really not THAT different. To the sensitive person, I can understand completely how one would prefer ALD-52 to LSD-25. To the guy who just wants to trip and really doesn't care about fine tuning his experience, I get that too - you probably don't even care to look for the differences




Scientists don't do simple blind tests for a reason. If you could tell the difference in a double blind test then there would be some ground for people to start assuming that there's a significant difference in perceived effects.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: healing]
    #23755714 - 10/20/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just one person's experience, many feel the same; Easily distinguishable.

The difference isn't significant but noticable, noticable enough for me to take ALD-52 if I ever have the option over LSD-25.

Test studies resulting in 1/5 intravenous toxicity, 1/8th pyretogenic effect and double the anti serotonin effect comparing to LSD-25 so it's obviously different :lol:

Even down to the brainwaves in studies, less manic thought patterns resulting in lessened chance of a psychotic episode


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #23755726 - 10/20/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a psychedelic  connoisseur, and certainly look for the differences. They were notable with AL-LAD & LSZ, but not so with ALD-52. I mean it seemed different in some undefinable way....but at the same time not really. And the fact is that these substances profoundly alter the mind....therefore the mind can alter the experience, just knowing you have something different. It's the same thing I've been talking about in regards to LSD purity. People hear the words fluff or needlepoint, and the trip "feels cleaner". That's just because of the connotation those words have, and people's expectations of them coloring the subjective experience. ALD-52 has always had the reputation of being smoother....going back to before it was available.  Orange Sunshine had that rep, which wasn't even ALD-52; it was LSD.  And as healing pointed out, blind studies aren't good enough. There's a reason they do double blind studies.


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23755731 - 10/20/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What more information do you need to prove that it's different? What would be the point of making it? Everything is laid out for you at your fingertips

Are you saying the test results are wrong? :confused:
Where did 1/5th toxicity, 1/8th pyretogenic effect and double the anti serotonin effect even come from than? :lol:

Lessened brainwaves in studies resulting in lessened chance for psychotic episode

When they injected rabbits or whatever animal they were testing, somehow it randomly takes 5 times less the LD50  comparatively to LSD-25 but it really means nothing?

I understand the perfect truth is not out there until we have funded studies - but man I must be crazy than to feel such significant differences - or just lucky :wink:


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Re: I was given ALD-52 instead of LSD [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23755762 - 10/20/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Or just really full of yourself. That's literally the definition of pretension.


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