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OfflinePeyote Road
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scared to leave my body on amanita
    #23754709 - 10/20/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

has anyone else had this problem? My last few trips on amanita have all gone the same way. I get to a point in the trip where I feel as though I am dying. My mind just stops being able to project my normal ego. A group of beings comes to me and tells me to go with them and they will show me the afterlife. Then I get scared and cling to my body until the beings leave, which causes me much suffering. I feel like if I took a higher dose I would not even being able to stay in my body which is why I take relatively low doses these days.

But I am wondering what you folks think. Should I trust these beings and go with them to the afterlife? How can I gather the courage to leave my body behind? What scares me is the immensity of it. I could feel that outside my body lay a viritually infinite awareness, extending outward in all directions with tremendous power, tremendous glory, tremendous everything. The beings showed me that there is an immense spiritual world right outside the walls of our limited minds. It was just too much for my small mind to fathom. I got the sense that if I went with these beings into the afterlife, I would come back forever changed. Every single time I get this sense and I always think "i'm not ready".  Every time I get scared and wish I didn't the mushroom then.


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Re: scared to leave my body on amanita [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23755206 - 10/20/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's definitely an interesting place to go. I wouldn't say it's fun in any way, but I don't think that's necessarily what you're interested in.

If you can't bring yourself to let go and experience what the drug has to offer at lower doses, I would definitely recommend giving a somewhat higher dose a try. There is a great deal of perspective to be gained and I think you could benefit from it if you're willing to go through an ordeal that I personally find somewhat unpleasant, but who knows you may enjoy it. It's definitely worth it.


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Re: scared to leave my body on amanita [Re: healing]
    #23755509 - 10/20/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I can only relate one experience.  If out of your body you mean like this:  (as was my experience)

I suddenly find Im looking at my body lying on the floor, As if a disembodied spirit or ghost, like an observer in some video game after your character is killed and you can still float about and explore your natural surroundings. 

I found it terrifying too my friend.  After moving about the room in complete awe and sheer terror I tried zooming back to my body and kind of bumping up against it not being able to enter on the first few bumps against it until finally I just as if waking up from a dream Am back in the body again.

I could see myself breathing and my friend across the room was fiddeling around with things and i could see his facial expressions and hear his mutterings .

In hindsight I wish I would have kept going in the OBE state longer and explored my surroundings and tried going into space and looking about the solar system, but alas till next time if there is one eh?

Good luck.


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Re: scared to leave my body on amanita [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23755703 - 10/20/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds insane

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Different ways in which The
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Re: scared to leave my body on amanita [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23807926 - 11/06/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting that you can get to those kinds of levels off Amanita, or fly agaric. So does this confirm that it's active? Just saying, because you see conflicting reports here and there, even on this website.

You must only accept advice from those who have performed such feats though. There are those psychologist types who say going down that route leads to death, or is death, in my mind, suggesting that once you go you somehow won't be able to get back. I've seen blurbs in the literature of people narrowly escaping that fate. Perhaps we will never know?

But I mean, on the other hand it sounds like they are offering a glimpse. Isn't that what partially got you interested in psychedelics in the first place? It does sound a little risky though and is understandable why you can't go through with it. Heck, I may have even been in the same situation once or twice. Sometimes there can be too much going on which makes it hard to think and focus properly. Maybe you need a multitude of experiences and supply, so as to have a nice sample size which may or may not include successful voyages there. But again, what if it is a trick?

What if it's just a metaphor for the trip, and the state you are in at the time, reflecting your mentality and the health your body feels? That may explain the durations and subsequent negative emotions after experiencing the outcomes.

But to be quite honest, I don't have experience in the Amanita realm but it sounds like what you speak of reflects certain aspects of DMT or even salvia. I have heard LSD can cause OOBEs, and that is what some people seek. There are also NDEs that can be similar. Like someone else mentioned, upping the dose could blast you off there whether you like it so much or not. It can be disappointing to deny such an invitation, even if you aren't sure of the emergent safety. Nothing wrong with that, it must take brave souls to truly traverse some landscapes. That being said, perhaps no one knows yet, although we hope the thing may just be similar to a dream or typical OOBE. Even those can be just dreamlike, if it turns out you aren't really leaving the body like that.

For context there have been recorded NDEs where the subject is told it isn't yet their time to go before they are flushed back into their body. They are given a peek, maybe have a little conversation with some entities but ultimately, it turns out, they still 'have a job to do' and must go back to Earth. You probably just have to chalk it up to a learning experience and if truly interested in the mushroom, perhaps, then next time, try harder to learn as much as you can.


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