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In DC, you can legally double park in front of churches on sundays.
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: koods]
#23755555 - 10/20/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Children should get their vaccines then go play in the dirt like normal children did until the 90s. They should get cuts, occasionally break a bone, and on very rare occasion get kidnapped by the local pedophile. This is the way things should be.
it wasnt until recently that this whole vaccine thing came about, prior to that it no vaccines, getting cut, beat, broken bones, molested but the pedophiles, murdered, or married by the time you're 12... why are people so resistant to change
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Bodhi of Ankou said: A few slightly retarded kids here and there or polio, mumps, measles, rubella, spanish flu, and whooping cough make a comeback and start killing millions of us annually again. Seems like a tough choice.
But if you're vaccinated against those things, and vaccines work, then you wouldn't have to worry about catching one of those diseases and it killing you. Only the people who don't get vaccinated would be at risk.
Or are you talking about mutated forms of those diseases?
*note I'm not anti-vaccines. I do however question how necessary some are and how healthy it is to inject so many into developing children. It seems like a money-maker as well as for the betterment of humanity.
contrary to what you may think, not everyone is always vaccinated against everything, people arent vaccinated at birth and the vaccines dont always prove effective for all people, some are not able to be vaccinated due to health reason such as reactions to something in some of the vaccines. this doesnt even account for all the retarded parents that dont vaccinate
so yeah, there's still the potential for millions to die
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MrBlueYoMind said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: A few slightly retarded kids here and there or polio, mumps, measles, rubella, spanish flu, and whooping cough make a comeback and start killing millions of us annually again. Seems like a tough choice.
But if you're vaccinated against those things, and vaccines work, then you wouldn't have to worry about catching one of those diseases and it killing you. Only the people who don't get vaccinated would be at risk.
Or are you talking about mutated forms of those diseases?
We eliminated smallpox thanks to vaccines. We're closing in on eliminating the rest of them before they develop resistances. These anti-vaxxers are attempting to bring about a literal plague because theyre stupid, ignorant, and dont understand science.
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MrBlueYoMind said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: A few slightly retarded kids here and there or polio, mumps, measles, rubella, spanish flu, and whooping cough make a comeback and start killing millions of us annually again. Seems like a tough choice.
But if you're vaccinated against those things, and vaccines work, then you wouldn't have to worry about catching one of those diseases and it killing you. Only the people who don't get vaccinated would be at risk.
Or are you talking about mutated forms of those diseases?
We eliminated smallpox thanks to vaccines. We're closing in on eliminating the rest of them before they develop resistances. These anti-vaxxers are attempting to bring about a literal plague because theyre stupid, ignorant, and dont understand science.
polio was eliminated in the US and most of the world, seems it's coming back due to the antivaxxers
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/05/140507-polio-health-disease-vaccination-war-world/
this is what their children get to look forward to

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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: koods]
#23755658 - 10/20/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: In DC, you can legally double park in front of churches on sundays.
Really? How did that come about? Was Thomas Jefferson smoking too much india hemp and thought "lol, I'll add this to the constitution, after all, how many people will put their carriages infront of the church?"
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MrBlueYoMind said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: A few slightly retarded kids here and there or polio, mumps, measles, rubella, spanish flu, and whooping cough make a comeback and start killing millions of us annually again. Seems like a tough choice.
But if you're vaccinated against those things, and vaccines work, then you wouldn't have to worry about catching one of those diseases and it killing you. Only the people who don't get vaccinated would be at risk.
Or are you talking about mutated forms of those diseases?
We eliminated smallpox thanks to vaccines. We're closing in on eliminating the rest of them before they develop resistances. These anti-vaxxers are attempting to bring about a literal plague because theyre stupid, ignorant, and dont understand science.
Oh well, they'll be dead, and those with the vaccines won't.
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23755684 - 10/20/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I remember talking to a polio survivor over a decade ago, she was in an iron lung for a ludicrously long time. I believe she was sixteen when she was hospitalized, her dying wish was to drink a chocolate milkshake because of the diet the doctors had her on. Her doctors appeased her wish, and she was allowed to have a milkshake, not a week later there was an experimental medication that came out and she was eligible to receive treatment, after opting in her condition rapidly improved and she lived a full life after that.
Polio is an awful disease.
This whole vax/antivax thing raises an interesting talking point, should the government be allowed to forcibly administer vaccines to the kids of those idiotic parents that refuse it? I honestly don't know the answer, but I sure as shit get vaccinations as they come out.
In regards to the traditional childhood, my experience was much like the "good old days" described in this thread, thank fucking god. I still remember falling off a fence I was climbing and cutting a pretty decent chunk of my chest open when I was ten. My mom rinsed it out and used superglue to patch me up, no fucks given, military doctors .
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The Supreme Court has already spoken on mandatory vaccinations. The decision gives the government the power to force vaccinations upon anyone.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
"the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that the freedom of the individual must sometimes be subordinated to the common welfare and is subject to the police power of the state."
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: koods]
#23755722 - 10/20/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting, thanks for the link. I agree with the outcome, child welfare should come before parental rights.
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falsereality said: Polio is an awful disease.
I knew 2 people that had polio, one when I was a kid, he wasnt much older than I was but he had leg braces and crutches, the other was in my adult life, he was in the same condition, leg braces and crutches, he was an engineer laying out the roads in the county, made good money and he didnt let shit stop him from doing what he could. he had good days and bad days though, the bad days were pretty bad
I wouldnt wish polio on anyone
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: koods] 2
#23757297 - 10/21/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: The Supreme Court has already spoken on mandatory vaccinations. The decision gives the government the power to force vaccinations upon anyone.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
"the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that the freedom of the individual must sometimes be subordinated to the common welfare and is subject to the police power of the state."
I want to say you can't take away peoples rights to be dumb fucking assholes, because then it takes away your right to be a dumb fucking asshole. And again, why use stick when the carrot is, if you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about? Let the unvaccinated die, and enjoy the new world order. Next they'll be saying there should be laws to limit children's exposure to television, internet, wireless, computer games. You don't need laws, you just need parents to get on with it. It's that sort of medical fascism is why there's laws passed saying what you can and can not grow in your gardens, or be in possession of.
Actually, it struck me, all the time I was in school wasted studying academic subjects that just are not pertinent to life in any way. Why wasn't my classes on cooking (I did have those, but I wasn't taught how to cook, just had to do write ups on what I had cooked), gardening, DIY like fixing a leaky tap or installing a new flush valve, parenting, including changing a nappy and dealing with the smell, dealing with lack of sleep. And driving.
Yeah, for sure teach reading, writing, arithmetic. But the rest of school really shows the lack of vision in teachers who don't have those life experiences, they just have academic experience and there's some bullshit that goes on that it's super important. It's not unless you're going to do something academic. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed learning that stuff, I have a thirst for knowledge and I still do to this day, I realise it's an addiction like any other but it's a pretty benign one.
I'm rambling. My sleep has been fucked up all week and I've just felt weird but it never ceases to amaze me just how totalitarian people are here, demanding that everyone conform with their way of doing things. But then getting all uppity when a form of totalitarian tyranny they disagree with gets exercised, even if it doesn't affect them.
It's why I keep thinking the hermits are right to seal themselves off from the madness.
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It's a false dichotomy.
Vaccination is essential and wonderful but there are problems with how modern vaccines are made such as the heavy metals.
It would be possible to make vaccines differently where they would still provide immunization without the heavy metals and other issues
I don't take a yearly flu shot because I feel the cumulative heavy metal intake outweighs whatever reduction I get in chance of getting the flu
Vaccines have wonderful benefits but also cause some harm.
It's not an either / or.
They are essential for humanity but not harmless.
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Visionary Tools said: And again, why use stick when the carrot is, if you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about?
Because not everyone who gets a vaccine will actually become immune.
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Vaccines have historically been the most effective means to fight and eradicate infectious diseases. Limitations to their effectiveness, nevertheless, exist.[8] Sometimes, protection fails because the host's immune system simply does not respond adequately or at all. Lack of response commonly results from clinical factors such as diabetes, steroid use, HIV infection or age. It also might fail for genetic reasons if the host's immune system includes no strains of B cells that can generate antibodies suited to reacting effectively and binding to the antigens associated with the pathogen. --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: Moonshoe] 3
#23757399 - 10/21/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: It's a false dichotomy.
Vaccination is essential and wonderful but there are problems with how modern vaccines are made such as the heavy metals.
It would be possible to make vaccines differently where they would still provide immunization without the heavy metals and other issues
I don't take a yearly flu shot because I feel the cumulative heavy metal intake outweighs whatever reduction I get in chance of getting the flu
Vaccines have wonderful benefits but also cause some harm.
It's not an either / or.
They are essential for humanity but not harmless.
your 'feels' arent scientific evidence but as I see it, you're free to do what you want, snort some turmeric or something, I hear it cures cancer
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23757417 - 10/21/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: your 'feels' arent scientific evidence but as I see it, you're free to do what you want, snort some turmeric or something, I hear it cures cancer
But what if he feels his feels are scientific evidence?
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23757512 - 10/21/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't claim my feels were scientific evidence of anything.
I just said vaccines have both benefits and harms and you need to assess the balance of pros and cons on a case by case basis.
Are many vaccinations essential? Yes .
Are all vaccinations essential for all people at all times?
No.
Many people who are In good health and take good hygiene precautions dont feel the annual flu shot is worth getting every year.
Turmeric is always good, but raw garlic is excellent for preventing and combating flus and colds.
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757551 - 10/21/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I didn't claim my feels were scientific evidence of anything.
I just said vaccines have both benefits and harms and you need to assess the balance of pros and cons on a case by case basis.
do the benefits greatly outweigh the harms?
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Turmeric is always good, but raw garlic is excellent for preventing and combating flus and colds.
no. but I hear plugging a soursop is great at curing what ails you
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Re: "Vaccines cause autism" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23757558 - 10/21/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Plugging shaved ginger has actually been proven to stimulate a very strong immune response, you have to keep it up there for as long as possible though. I would highly recommend it moonshoe!
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how are you going to claim that ginger is better than this
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