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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo]
#23767288 - 10/24/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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pachoo said: Lucky me I have my Sun in Scorpio and my sun conjuncts Pluto. As well as my Sun and Pluto in my 7th house. Scorpio is in my Sun, Venus, Mercury and Pluto. And my Neptune is sextile Pluto. Although my sexual or relationship tendencies are far from torture or craziness. I suffer from some mental illness and I can be immensely stubborn and emotional but I don't hold people hostage or torture them. I am quite gentle with my loving but I will admit that it can be pretty intense perhaps. I don't know. I'm pretty much an all or nothing kind of person in love.
It is very interesting to note if someone has the Pluto - Ascendant aspects as this in the chart can bring out the more extreme sexual side. From deep loyalty and love all the way down to stalking, possession, dominance, rape, and torture.
Pluto Conjunct Ascendant will be very magnetic and impossible to say no to. Very sexually driven but incredibly loyal and loving but incredibly intense. Famous people with this aspect is Kurt Cobain, Judy Garland and Glenn Close.
Pluto Sextile/Trine Ascendant will usually released through creative expression and they can also become immersed in their work all the way to burning out. It can also have violent tendencies. Among famous people with this is Frida Kahlo, Shania Twain and also Aileen Wuornos.
Pluto Square/Opposite Ascendant is more stalkerish and torturous. It can feed into fetishism and a double sided sexual appetite. Most of these people might even have an image of normalcy but behind closed doors can get into some pretty kinky stuff. Some even feign the victim of relationships only to hop into another and become the torturer. Famous people with this aspect is George Blake, Brad Pitt, Catherine Zeta-Jones, and John Rechy.
It could be that the person attracts torture to them, or maybe they like tying people up in bed.
Madonna has Pluto conjunct Asc too
I have Pluto square Asc. The pattern I've noticed is I start off getting treated like shit (dominated, abuse of power), then at some point the entire dynamic reverses and the other person acts like a big baby over it (they can't handle it), and I'm just like, "How do you think I felt the whole time you were being an asshole?" I can't feel bad for the person at all because I've already been their victim.
Instead of switching roles between relationships, the whole thing seems to play out entirely within each relationship, with me starting out the victim (I'm giving people a chance to treat me with respect without me having to unleash my boss side...I know how shitty it feels to be dominated and I try to spare people that experience...inevitably the person proves to me they've had it too easy in life and an asskicking is exactly what they need. There's some Saturn flavor in there because of my Saturn-Pluto conjunction)
It's like I'm such an asshole I completely disown that part of myself going in. So it's being acted out by the other person. This puts so much strain on me I have no choice but to eventually take it back.
I always try to lace asskicking with asskissing to reduce my chances of being the victim of a crime of passion or revenge killing...unless I've been pushed beyond all self-control and am in kamikaze mode (that's usually only brought out by my mom or Pluto transits)
It's my words that motivate people to violence...I don't have to lay a hand on anyone
Edited by 100_the_cat (10/24/16 04:59 PM)
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: Kurt]
#23767562 - 10/24/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kurt said: Anyway... although she won't remember it probably, I actually remember Pachoo telling me in these forums a while ago that you can read the aspects as unresolved or resolving Karma, and I thought that was right on point. It changed the way I saw things. Karma definitely offersmuch to work with, as any good yogi knows...
Did I say that? Well that seems pretty smart of me. Hahaha Almost too smart... Are you suuure it was me? Makes alot of sense when I think about it again. There was something I just added to the original post as well that everyone might enjoy. It's about Lilith moving around in your chart. There's also three aspects to her as well. When I found one of the websites detailing it I found that it was also moved by karmic debt and our challenges in lives.
To find your Lilith... You can use astro.com (Isn't this site freaking useful?!) and go to the EXTENDED CHART SELECTION, go down to ADDITIONAL OBJECTS and click on Lilith, and also input 1181 (Lilith) h13 (Black Moon Lilith) and h58 (Dark Moon Lilith).
And you can also go a very easy way and just look it up based on your day of birth in this link...
Wicked Witch Lilith
Then just clicking the sign that your birthday falls in between. Mine ended up being Lilith in Leo.
The person enjoys giving praise to the object of her love and the fruits of her labor, but she requires a similar attitude towards her from people for whom she does not feel a strong passion. She behaves like a narcissistic poseur, self-centered and ambitious, abusing her power, an attitude that emanates from an exaggerated sense of the importance of her presence in the world. The person may also boast, show arrogance and have a tendency to take too much on herself. She is possessed by a frequent desire to give lessons and does not like children. She tends to play the game of the love slave or to impose this role on her partner.
The provocative roles are played by brilliant and remarkable people, perhaps children.
The inferior level
The person is possessed by vanity and excessive pride, she is jealous and takes revenge on all those who are talented. She behaves like an impostor, an upstart and uses sex, Eros, for malicious purposes. This is the karma of a gambler, a party animal, a Don Juan, a pimp, a molester or a child killer. In a previous life, the person may have abused some great power she had, such as a hierarchical position without equal, could have hurt her loved ones, or, more simply, was self-centered, exuberant or buried her talent. She could have been the keeper of a brothel or of a drug den. In this life, the person is attracted to debauchery, prostitution, pornography, gambling and to the vandalism of artworks.
The intermediate level
The person is the one enduring misfortunes at the hands of powerful people and treacherous and vengeful enemies. Her punishment can be infertility or sufferings associated with romantic failures. If she is talented, some parvenus with wounded vanity get jealous and take revenge on her. In a previous life, the person has abused her authority, was too egocentric and was using her talents at the detriment of others. Perhaps was she unfair to children or has she abandoned her own child. In her current incarnation, she may have conflicts with her own children, or children in general may mock her. Her entourage and the events in general will cast a shadow on her reputation. Dangers for her come from fire, weapons, sunburn, a stroke, and she runs a great risk of getting ridiculed and to incur public shame. One must not suffer from unrequited love, but should take more care of the education of children without expecting any specific gratitude from them.
The superior level
At this level, the person perceives the manifestations of evil in the arts and entertainment industry. She harmonizes her relationship with children and feels no gnawing envy towards celebrities, people in power or those receiving honors. The person wages an uncompromising war against vulgarity and pornography, protecting the young from the harmful effects of civilization and from empty sensual entertainments. The person consciously purifies love from covetousness, exercises enlightened creativity and takes responsibility for her children, for her creations and for her love. At this level, the person acquires excellent acting skills, allowing her to easily turn the heads of strangers and to charm them.
The main commandment: do not seek power, do not aspire to glory and give everything to children without expecting gratitude.
Quite ironically I used to have thoughts that I would see some of my past lives. One of them was that I was a well-off man who was very indulgent and spent his life spending money on whores and gambling his life away. I cared only for myself and didn't give a crap about anyone else. This lifestyle ended up getting me stabbed in the back by a heartbroken 'friend', or who considered me a friend and I betrayed them for my own gain.
So this karmic Lilith influence actually rang for me a bit.
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo]
#23767639 - 10/24/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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More Pluto sq Asc
I think the reason I perceive myself as only experiencing relationships where I start out the victim is because if I start out dominating someone, they run away pretty fast. Most people won't put up with that. They might tolerate it long enough to put their dick in you for a one night stand, but then they'll put themselves in their own witness protection program
I think I learned that the only way people would tolerate being around me is if I play the victim role. And once I've had enough and stop playing that role, I have no appeal (because I'm now the abuser)
It's like if you have an abusive boss, and you protest their treatment of you, you get fired. If you have abusive parents and you protest them, you get disowned (but you can come back if you agree to go back into a submissive role). If you have an abusive landlord, and you protest, you get evicted.
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo] 2
#23767664 - 10/24/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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@Cat - Ah yes. That makes a bit more sense. I do like a bit of kink in the sheets but I try really hard to make my relationship to be as balanced as possible between dominance and submission. My boyfriend and I are both quite stubborn and shitheads when it comes to our views but we really balance each other out. I tend to be the one on top mostly in the sheets. Haha But I do enjoy being subdued. 
There was actually something that I came across that perhaps you may be interested in... about psychotic tendancies in the chart.
You have a really unique view on astrology Cat. I know it probably def comes from your extreme past and I hate that you had to go through those things even though you feel like you have grown quite spiritually from them. 
@Kurt - Yea there's a ton of Scorpio in that chart it seems. I feel like it just makes me really emotional and intense with emotions haha. But alot of people do seem to gravitate towards me sometimes.
I am really enjoying this thread!! It's almost too good because all the replies seem very thick. I feel like I have to reply even more for discussion. But I really am finding more stuff out there to add. And def keep adding Philosophy and Historical stuff about astrology!! I enjoy reading it and once I get to it I shall post some books that I have doing on it psychologically.
@ Ezuma - Hey I'm Jaguar and have two signs in Death. I got you man! *spiritually evolving magic*
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deff said: it reminds me of the idea of what intuitives speak of when they talk about how they see a person's life path. I've heard several mention that they see life lines that branch off from one another, different potential timelines, and so the further into the future one is to look, the less likely that a given reported outcome will come to pass - and so the issue of predictions is usually in terms of probabilities. I know one person who said that the more 'awake' and spiritually aware a person is, the more likely that their life paths have many potential off-shoots, as they are much more likely to deviate from a more autonomous traversing of their life. I've also come across the idea that these different timelines represent different parallel versions of ourselves, that when there is a choice of two options there exists two different realities where each option is chosen - which is akin to the many-worlds interpretation in physics interesting to think about 
Ah, that reminds me of what I talk about. I feel like you have usually the one path but you revolve in these circles, (like a merry go round and they are all attached at points but all continuously moving around independently), to points in time where you are given opportunity or come in contact with people that can help change you somehow. If you don't take the opportunity you don't continue into another circle and you can also go into another opportunity attached to a another separate circle that takes you onto another path but it all ultimately ends up in some similar end.
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: 100_the_cat]
#23767690 - 10/24/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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100_the_cat said: More Pluto sq Asc
I think the reason I perceive myself as only experiencing relationships where I start out the victim is because if I start out dominating someone, they run away pretty fast. Most people won't put up with that. They might tolerate it long enough to put their dick in you for a one night stand, but then they'll put themselves in their own witness protection program
I think I learned that the only way people would tolerate being around me is if I play the victim role. And once I've had enough and stop playing that role, I have no appeal (because I'm now the abuser)
It's like if you have an abusive boss, and you protest their treatment of you, you get fired. If you have abusive parents and you protest them, you get disowned (but you can come back if you agree to go back into a submissive role). If you have an abusive landlord, and you protest, you get evicted.
Ah, interesting. Do you feel like you want to dominate people in the end though? Would you just be interested in finding someone who is already submissive to get together with? Do you think that might help with your initial feelings on being in a relationship. I think the end product of relationships is to always strike a balance between the partners. Although there is really alot of couples who have made compromises with each other and ended up great.
I also understand that you are fine without a sexual relationship as it is uncomfortable for you in multiple ways and have been sexually fulfilled energetically instead. My questions are just wondering about it, if you don't mind answering.
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo]
#23767721 - 10/24/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh drat I also meant to give light to another website I found about Lilith in your chart that might also be beneficial for reading. I have also added this one to the original post earlier today.
Astrologija - Lilith in the Signs
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo]
#23767941 - 10/24/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It takes too much out of me to try control things or people (it's not sustainable for me), so I'm not a good fit for someone who wants to be dominated
It's also not sustainable for me to be dominated because I'm not capable of playing along for long enough and rage builds up
I don't know what else there is
Compromise to my last boyfriend was "You don't tell me to trim my wick, I won't tell you to trim yours" -- since I refused to shave all my pubic hair off for him (did that shit years ago for many, many unworthy men, I'm over it), I didn't "have the right" to tell him to trim the wicks on his candles, which he left sitting around unattended with huge flames...he was a Libra, worded it as if it was a compromise but it was still unfair to me because my pubic hair wasn't putting his life in danger, whereas the candles were an actual fire hazard that could potentially trap me in a burning building and end my life. Plus shaving is a hell of a lot more time consuming, exhausting, and complicated than trimming a damn candle wick.
And guess what -- that guy didn't groom anywhere. Or cut his toenails. Or own toothpaste. Or empty his cat box. He was the incentive for me to stop bathing. I was like WHY am I doing this for other people when they're not even returning the favor.
So I don't really believe in compromise, somebody always still has the upper hand
I think I'll have to just be in a relationship with energy and stay physically single
When my family dies I'll need somebody to take me in though
Hopefully it'll be a really detached, impersonal thing that the person does in a spirit of philanthropy
The last time somebody took me in he started pulling my clothes off so he could dress me in some frufru thing his fashion designer friend made that I would never wear (he was a stylist), and he wanted me to get all my hair cut off short and dyed blond. I'd just met him! I'd just been on a 20 hour train ride, I was homeless, exhausted. I didn't want my clothes taken off and I had to fight with him over it. I will never cut my hair short again, I was already forced into that by my mother and my hair is a big deal to me since I'm a Leo rising. What I needed was a place to sleep and food. Which I got for one night from him but I had to put up with all that other bullshit. And him trying to have sex with me even though he'd promised the whole way there he wouldn't. (Put me out the next day so he could go to a xmas party...didn't even put me in a cab back to the train station...walked me to the wrong subway station, didn't even give me subway fare even though he was wearing a Rolex and a $600 t-shirt)
That's the kind of thing that always happens. Physically embodied people are really dangerous for me. Not to be trusted.
Bitchfest
Yeah it has to come out sometimes
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: 100_the_cat]
#23768097 - 10/24/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've found that it's probably best for no one to control anyone. You shouldn't have to dominate or be dominated in a relationship. I was mainly talking about sexual tendencies but I don't think I really mentioned that and that's my fault.
Those males in your past seem pretty twisted up about things and I don't blame you for staying away or not staying in the relationships with them. There's def some nutter people out that that think it's ok to make someone their doll or to impose their laws on another. I don't do well with rules or being dominated with my life. I can agree to do certain things they like that gives me pleasure to do as well or is reasonable. But I will not compromise with ridiculousness. The way I look at it is I am my own person and anyone who wants to stay in company with me acknowledges that and respects it and I will do the same for them. Personality-wise I am very very different than my boyfriend but we agree to be with each other because we love each other and respect each others personalities.
That being said, perhaps you should not care about not doing things for another because you were never shown it. Do things for you. And if those things that you do make you happy or have a positive influence on your life then keep doing them.
Can you see any predictions for people who will be a positive influence on you in your chart? I've never gotten the hang of predictive astrology so I can't tell and don't know if you can understand it more.
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo]
#23768306 - 10/24/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no idea about predicting positive things
Psychotic tendencies? It's been my mom's mission since I was about 5 years old to invalidate me at every turn (and get away with abuse) by trying to convince me I'm crazy, saying I hallucinate her abuse, so I've had to learn the ins and outs of what actually constitutes psychosis, to decide for myself. (Spending 10+ years in the mental health system, asking upfront about it, and being cleared also helped)
I don't have any spiritual problems, the only place I suffer is the physical world. You won't find me fighting any demons, just people. The only thing that's "delusional" for someone like me is thinking I can have some big career (forget being famous, I'm talking about even being on the level of my mom -- making $60k in an office).
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: 100_the_cat] 1
#23768693 - 10/25/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a good post to make, but I think I got carried away. :-) Maybe I can get the idea of it.
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deff said: it reminds me of the idea of what intuitives speak of when they talk about how they see a person's life path. I've heard several mention that they see life lines that branch off from one another, different potential timelines, and so the further into the future one is to look, the less likely that a given reported outcome will come to pass - and so the issue of predictions is usually in terms of probabilities. I know one person who said that the more 'awake' and spiritually aware a person is, the more likely that their life paths have many potential off-shoots, as they are much more likely to deviate from a more autonomous traversing of their life. I've also come across the idea that these different timelines represent different parallel versions of ourselves, that when there is a choice of two options there exists two different realities where each option is chosen - which is akin to the many-worlds interpretation in physics interesting to think about 
Ah, that reminds me of what I talk about. I feel like you have usually the one path but you revolve in these circles, (like a merry go round and they are all attached at points but all continuously moving around independently), to points in time where you are given opportunity or come in contact with people that can help change you somehow. If you don't take the opportunity you don't continue into another circle and you can also go into another opportunity attached to a another separate circle that takes you onto another path but it all ultimately ends up in some similar end.
This is really good stuff!
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: Kurt]
#23769266 - 10/25/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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can someone tell me a bit about what this means, i don't know how to read this stuff!
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23770105 - 10/25/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where's your gosh darn ascendant?! I think it's Aries but I cant be too sure maybe?! And where's your houses? I need a better chart bc I feel brain dead right now!
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo] 1
#23770145 - 10/25/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wait ... I just realized I can just remake your chart bc of your data in the corner. Is that your real birth time? Bc it really counts to the minute for some things. But it's ok about 10min off. Not too much will change.... maybe.
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo]
#23770183 - 10/25/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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really? down to the minute...i just chose unknown for the time....i need to track down my hospital papers to find out my houses and whatnot, properly?
phooey. i didn't know this needed to be so accurate. planets move that fast?
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#23770305 - 10/25/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The earth rotates on an hourly basis, and so your "horizons" change pretty quick. According to astology, which in certain ways is geocentric, (just as it is person-centric) your birth time changes your own orientation to existing planets in certain ways. The planets do not move so fast, but the sightline of the earth and the sky change pretty dramatically nonetheless, on an hourly basis. That is the theory.
Still, your chart can say alot without birthtimes. Maybe Pachoo can tell you a thing or two about Scorpio. You have a sun to mars relation that is harmonious, I'd say that stands out. You have a healthy (Sun in scorpio) sense of competition, and masculinity, (mars in Aries). Whether or not you abide by certain conventional norms and expressions of this (scorpio) like playing team sports or whatnot, you probably feel pretty comfortable with yourself. Scorpio (the scorpion that lives at the lowest depths) and Aries (The charging Ram) can be pretty badass combo, compliments to you, but like I said always self interpret. I can't tell, and I don't have the moment right now to look to close, (maybe Pachoo can see) but it is either "sun sextile mars", or "sun trine mars" natal aspect. You can then start sorting through all your aspects this way and this can say a whole lot, without knowing your birth times. Your planets are in the right place though. :-)
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: Kurt]
#23770329 - 10/25/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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shwing, that sounds like a dapper make-up. 
thanks for the info
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#23770428 - 10/25/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hah, yup.
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: Kurt]
#23772025 - 10/26/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I imagine you've got my astrology pretty well figured pachoo, but just for the sake of comparison, which would be the most helpful link for me to go and fill out?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#23779669 - 10/28/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Akira! Ask yo momma about your birth time man. But yes it can be really mathematical or... something. Also if you were born around that time really we would have the same sun and ascendant signs!! Hey hooo!!!

Jokesshop - Astro.com!!! The bestest site! And if you click on the others and can find out that information you could also share it.
I've been slacking heavily on this thread for the past few days!! Life n stuff going on. Hopefully this weekend I will post books and apps! It's probably a bunch of the same books you guys have read probably. Haha
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Re: Share your astrological makeup!!! [Re: pachoo] 2
#23779696 - 10/28/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Happy birthday pachoo!
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