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Reincarnation or Oblivion? 2
#23753768 - 10/20/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you had a choice: either reincarnating into unknown circumstances, starting new again and again, or dissolving into oblivion forever?
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akira_akuma
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simple answer.
oblivion is ... irrelevant.
no one knows. no one cares. case in point: look at...anything in this world, period. media...ect. look at anything in this world period. no one knows. no one cares.
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is that the question?
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I admit that oblivion is actually pretty tempting. You'd be completely free of all of the pain and suffering in the universe forever. On the other hand, you'd also be free of all the good things in the universe. I think I'd rather have drugs than non-existence.
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I have always thought the flaw with the idea of reincarnation is that you don't learn anything from the experience. If you could start a new lifetime with the knowledge and life experience intact of past lives it would be growth. But people don't have these memories intact and start from scratch, which kind of defeats the point that reincarnation advocates propound, that we grow somehow from our many lives.
Oblivion too is inadequate because we are more than mere atoms. Even scientific papers have been done on group consciousness proving that mind is more than matter.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: nooneman]
#23753830 - 10/20/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would definitely take life over oblivion
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23753836 - 10/20/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: which kind of defeats the point that reincarnation advocates propound,
I don't think there needs to be a point, my own views are formed from out of body experiences, reincarnation seems as real to me as anything else and the only explanation which has come to me is the pleasure of existence.
I wouldn't propound any way of looking at it however, that would be claiming knowledge and I laugh at everyone who says they know well enough to propound a view on what happens after death. Maybe one could know, but I haven't met anyone who seemed credible.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: nooneman]
#23753838 - 10/20/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I admit that oblivion is actually pretty tempting. You'd be completely free of all of the pain and suffering in the universe forever. On the other hand, you'd also be free of all the good things in the universe. I think I'd rather have drugs than non-existence.
Drugs are awesome and all but that is a terrible reason to choose life over oblivion 
Drugs are just catalysts and the experiences and people are what makes life so unique and amazing.
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Well it depends, is it an equal chance I could end up reincarnated as anything, like animals, plants, or a random person even? Or relive my life? I would relive my life so far, infinitely without remembering, but if I could end up anyone no I'd chose oblivion, too many people's lives suck
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Repertoire89 said:
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Ellis Dee said: which kind of defeats the point that reincarnation advocates propound,
I don't think there needs to be a point, my own views are formed from out of body experiences, reincarnation seems as real to me as anything else and the only explanation which has come to me is the pleasure of existence.
I wouldn't propound any way of looking at it however, that would be claiming knowledge and I laugh at everyone who says they know well enough to propound a view on what happens after death. Maybe one could know, but I haven't met anyone who seemed credible.
I have looked in to several near death experience reports. I find the ones in which the subject was clinically dead for a period of time with documentary medical records to be compelling.
If its not too personal I'd like to hear your accounts of out of body experiences. This is a particularly fascinating subject to me.
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Maybe life and incarnating was always oblivion. Just waiting for release of unlived potential.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23753846 - 10/20/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The premise was random, so not your own life, as far as animals idk, would it change your answer?
I would come back as either a human or an animal, an alien even.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ezuma]
#23753847 - 10/20/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyone goes into oblivion until they choose to be the reborn it is in this way we are all God of our own universes.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Repertoire89] 3
#23753849 - 10/20/16 01:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would hate to come back as an insect. Insects lead miserable lives. In fact, we should probably destroy all insects on earth JUST IN CASE reincarnation is real. Just in case. Even if the chance is very low, that's a chance we really shouldn't take.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: nooneman] 1
#23753854 - 10/20/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I would hate to come back as an insect. Insects lead miserable lives. In fact, we should probably destroy all insects on earth JUST IN CASE reincarnation is real. Just in case. Even if the chance is very low, that's a chance we really shouldn't take.
spiders first then centipedes, followed by wasps then mosquitos
we save the bees for last, and the pillbugs I like them well enough
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: nooneman]
#23753855 - 10/20/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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id make a good spider. mantis seems more difficult but that's cos I don't see what they do as much
in my daily life
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ezuma]
#23753859 - 10/20/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, bees are alright. They can live.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#23753862 - 10/20/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said:
I have looked in to several near death experience reports. I find the ones in which the subject was clinically dead for a period of time with documentary medical records to be compelling.
If its not too personal I'd like to hear your accounts of out of body experiences. This is a particularly fascinating subject to me.
None of them were near death, they were mostly brought on by meditation and through lucid dreaming, I can you a few
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Repertoire89 said: The premise was random, so not your own life, as far as animals idk, would it change your answer?
I would come back as either a human or an animal, an alien even.

I'd prefer to be human than animal as most animals lead rather brutal lives, especially taking into account slaughterhouses and mass farming and all that
I think my quality of life is about as good as I can hope for in this sphere anyway, so might as well call it quits where's the room to improve ya know?
to exist where I do, as i do, as me is miraculous good fortune (I think)
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who would ever want oblivion? lol
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LogicaL Chaos said: who would ever want oblivion? lol
I know right! Skyrim was so much better.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: wolfiewolfie] 1
#23754038 - 10/20/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would be a wolf or Dan Bilzerian or maybe the buddha. But random reincarnation is way too risky, especially if you can reincarnate as things from the past. What if you reincarnated as the guy who had the most painful death ever?
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: nooneman]
#23754045 - 10/20/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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nooneman said: I would hate to come back as an insect. Insects lead miserable lives. In fact, we should probably destroy all insects on earth JUST IN CASE reincarnation is real. Just in case. Even if the chance is very low, that's a chance we really shouldn't take.
Even if we managed to genoinsectocide 99.9% of all the insects in the world, there would still be billions of insects to reincarnate into. Therefore we are just making our misery more complex.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ezuma]
#23754339 - 10/20/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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then mosquitos
If all the mosquitoes were killed off, imagine how many more people there would be on this earth. They're the most deadly insect because of the crap they spread.
The world would be even more stressed than it currently is due to increased numbers of people.
Also, I wonder what impact killing one insect species would have on the rest of the food chain.
You can't kill bees that just doesn't make sense.
Also, without spiders this place would be overrun by other types of bugs.
Damn bro, do you even circle of life?
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Lucis]
#23754882 - 10/20/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
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then mosquitos
If all the mosquitoes were killed off, imagine how many more people there would be on this earth. They're the most deadly insect because of the crap they spread.
The world would be even more stressed than it currently is due to increased numbers of people.
Also, I wonder what impact killing one insect species would have on the rest of the food chain.
You can't kill bees that just doesn't make sense.
Also, without spiders this place would be overrun by other types of bugs.
Damn bro, do you even circle of life?
well yes if we're talkin' serious business here then ya exterminating insects would fuck over everything, also it would be really difficult I mean there's millions of species let alone individual bugs.
still, them spiders have got to go, they've got too many eyes for their own good
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ezuma]
#23754950 - 10/20/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just in case there is a possibility of reincarnation, I'm doing everything I can to make sure I avoid a chance of having to come back here and do another round.
I'm not knocking life, I'm fucking grateful to have had a chance here, but fuck me this world is hard work sometimes.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Just in case there is a possibility of reincarnation, I'm doing everything I can to make sure I avoid a chance of having to come back here and do another round.
I'm not knocking life, I'm fucking grateful to have had a chance here, but fuck me this world is hard work sometimes.
for sure, I like this go round but I don't think I'd want another life after this, its rather exhausting really
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: Ezuma]
#23754967 - 10/20/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: Just in case there is a possibility of reincarnation, I'm doing everything I can to make sure I avoid a chance of having to come back here and do another round.
I'm not knocking life, I'm fucking grateful to have had a chance here, but fuck me this world is hard work sometimes.
for sure, I like this go round but I don't think I'd want another life after this, its rather exhausting really
I take it with a grain of salt that I am thinking about this question as someone very young without the life experience of someone near the end of their life. I'm sure in 50+ years I'll be satisfied. I also imagine death to be very blissful in a way, neither pain nor pleasure, just nothingness and I suppose that is more blissfull than existence for an eternity.
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I've only got 32 years under my belt and I'm fucking satisfied already.
I have lived a pretty wild life though...
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Jokeshopbeard said: Just in case there is a possibility of reincarnation, I'm doing everything I can to make sure I avoid a chance of having to come back here and do another round.
I'm not knocking life, I'm fucking grateful to have had a chance here, but fuck me this world is hard work sometimes.
You said it well. I agree 100%.
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Re: Reincarnation or Oblivion? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23755389 - 10/20/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said:
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nooneman said: I would hate to come back as an insect. Insects lead miserable lives. In fact, we should probably destroy all insects on earth JUST IN CASE reincarnation is real. Just in case. Even if the chance is very low, that's a chance we really shouldn't take.
Even if we managed to genoinsectocide 99.9% of all the insects in the world, there would still be billions of insects to reincarnate into. Therefore we are just making our misery more complex.
Mother of god you're right. The only solution is to evacuate the planet and nuke it from orbit JUST IN CASE.
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