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We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying
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http://modernfarmer.com/2015/09/cannabis-labeling/
We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying By Dan Nosowitz on September 2, 2015

As cannabis becomes a legitimate, legal, and highly profitable crop, scientists are finally beginning to analyze and understand it. And what they're finding is that the long ban has led to consumers basically knowing nothing about it.
As the ban on cannabis lessens, scientists have finally sweeping away the popular understanding of the crop and how it works, which has largely been informed by guesswork and superstition. Case in point: the divide between indica and sativa strains, which a team from various Canadian universities recently examined.
There are three species of plant in the cannabis genus: Cannabis sativa, Cannabis indica, and Cannabis ruderalis. (The latter is lower in the active chemical THC than the former two species, and so is less commonly grown.) Sativa and indica species can be cross-bred, producing mixed strains, but many dispensaries (both legal and not) identify products as being mostly or entirely sativa or indica.
Popular lore holds that the two species have different effects when imbibed. Sativa is allegedly a more active, stimulating species, while indica is believed to produce more sedentary, sleepier effects. But the Canadian researchers delved into the genotypes of a whopping 81 marijuana and 43 hemp samples to find out exactly what heritage they are, and discovered that in many cases, these plants are totally mislabeled.
In fact, the researchers found “only a moderate correlation” between the history of a product as told by a retailer and the product’s DNA history. “For example, a sample of Jamaican Lambs Bread, which is classified as C. sativa, was almost identical at a genetic level to a C. indica strain from Afghanistan,” according to a media release from the University of British Columbia.
The study shows just how poor the state of cannabis labeling is, even as it rapidly becomes legal. It’s as if, after Prohibition ended, we had no idea which raw materials were used to create liquor, how strong the liquor was, or whether the distilling process was done safely. Past studies have indicated that the strength and cleanliness of cannabis is basically totally unregulated, and this new study adds to that list the problem of not knowing a product’s provenance. As cannabis takes its place as a high-value, legal cash crop, it’s going to need some serious regulation to ensure safety and reliability.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23752266 - 10/19/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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t’s as if, after Prohibition ended, we had no idea which raw materials were used to create liquor, how strong the liquor was, or whether the distilling process was done safely.

It's not like we have cannabinoid testing or anything, or people have been growing for thousands of years 
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Apes and Humans, for example, share over 99% of their genes. That means the difference between our species is less than 1% of our genes. In fact, all life on Earth shares about 50% of it's genes.

Next they will be saying this about Kratom... "BREAKING NEWS", "red/white/green vien kratom have identical genes" therefor everyone is wrong about the differences.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23752455 - 10/19/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: http://modernfarmer.com/2015/09/cannabis-labeling/
It’s as if, after Prohibition ended, we had no idea which raw materials were used to create liquor, how strong the liquor was, or whether the distilling process was done safely. Past studies have indicated that the strength and cleanliness of cannabis is basically totally unregulated, and this new study adds to that list the problem of not knowing a product’s provenance. As cannabis takes its place as a high-value, legal cash crop, it’s going to need some serious regulation to ensure safety and reliability.
ROLMFAO At more reefer madness The prohibition of cannabis has not ended yet in Canada This is why cannabis needs to be legalized, Hell this is why all drugs need to be legalized, quality control! BTW cannabis is less difficult to ensure safety and reliability of then booze or beef.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: rider420]
#23752720 - 10/19/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have some bud that has CBD only in it doesn't get you high but what else is there to judge by
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Konyap]
#23753840 - 10/20/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like a anti-legalization publication.
They test cannabis not only for alkaloids but pestacides.
Also it seems the drug plants are either narrow leaf indica or wide leaf indica. Sativa is hemp. There is even genetic testing of heritage among interested parties.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23754454 - 10/20/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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To the best of my understanding, so many food and drug recalls are typically initiated by some private party, not by the govt, which is supposed to standardize everything and keep you safe.
I respect that grey market co-ops can affect many people, negatively, if there was some kind of drag net, some kind of collective punishment.
But, at the same time, it is also possible to test independently, establish your own proprietary language and standards, without a state minder.
When they are abusive or lax, you blame the govt, but without being your own govt.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23754662 - 10/20/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Sounds like a anti-legalization publication.
Modern farmer is not anti-legalization. They've actually done many articles on pot farmers markets in California and stuff. They're a farming and agriculture magazine with a slant towards following trends. Its about as unbiased as you can get.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
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Yeah a lot of these shops just label the weed anything. That's what the employees do... They even use the same label for different kinds of weed. The clever names pot have are just arbitrary.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Konyap]
#23755100 - 10/20/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Konyap said: I have some bud that has CBD only in it doesn't get you high but what else is there to judge by
I thought the only bud without THC was like industrial hemp.
I wish I could find some weed with a 1:1 ratio of THC to CBD. All these strains I get are like 2-5% CBD and 18-22%THC. I just want one that is like 5% THC:5% CBD. That would be perfect. I know there are strains like this out there but since I live in Texas I don't get to be picky
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: morrowasted]
#23755156 - 10/20/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have some high CBD seeds that can have phenotypes anywhere from 2:1 1:1 or 1:2 thc:cbd ratios I believe. Can't wait to try em out!
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: musiclover420]
#23755179 - 10/20/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never heard of a 1:2 THC:CBD ratio. I read that CBD sort of cancels out the intoxication.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: morrowasted]
#23755234 - 10/20/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Never heard of a 1:2 THC:CBD ratio. I read that CBD sort of cancels out the intoxication.
I wouldn't say that, it cancels out the anxiety causing overstimulation that high THC strains cause IME.
Strains with mostly CBD will be very mellow and not really have the cannabis "high" people expect from THC. It can be very relaxing and enjoyable though.
That is what is cool about a high THC and CBD strain though, it should have some very enjoyable and well rounded effects that may vary considerably with different pheno's.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: musiclover420]
#23755580 - 10/20/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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no fucking way dude smoking weed with 20thc just means you have to smoke less
at the end you're still smoking the weed so you're not going to get all of it anyway I have been completely fucking stoned on 1:1 bud for the last two years there is no difference between the two besides the cbd one wearing off a little quicker but that is null and void with a vape
do I think it's healthy no not really I basically would smoke every chance I had which kind of fucked me up mentally and made me sick for longer but with the cbd bud I'm less worried about having a stroke/epileptic seizure after I eat tons of fatty foods and smoke err vape
on that note I've also been tweaking out way less when I used to quit weed I'd spaz out in my sleep but now I've only gotten weird dreams months later
but yeah I used to vape 2-3x a day with thc at 7% always stayed high enough to finish the activity and get bored/hungry
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Konyap]
#23755659 - 10/20/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've always told everyone.
Pot is pot.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Konyap]
#23755663 - 10/20/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No fucking way what? Of course 1:1 bud will still get you stoned, if its 10% each that is till decent. I am talking about bud that is 2:1 or more cbd:thc...
There is a huge difference between bud that is 20% thc and bud that is 10% thc/cbd... Different cannabinoid profiles cause differing effects... If the only difference between 2 strains was the 10% cbd then maybe it won't be a drastic difference but there still will be one. I doubt high CBD bud is just high in cbd too, it probably has more CBN and related compounds as well.
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but with the cbd bud I'm less worried about having a stroke/epileptic seizure after I eat tons of fatty foods and smoke err vape

That makes 0 sense to me as does your entire post honestly... What is the point you are trying to make?
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: musiclover420]
#23755694 - 10/20/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can feel the effects of pot on my body months after I quit I'm just hyper sensitive from prior drug use
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Konyap]
#23755699 - 10/20/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Konyap said: I can feel the effects of pot on my body months after I quit I'm just hyper sensitive from prior drug use
What effects do you feel months later?
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: musiclover420]
#23755735 - 10/20/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I 2nd him.
THC is a peculiar molecule.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#23755785 - 10/20/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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WhyDidiDoThis said: I 2nd him.
THC is a peculiar molecule.
There are so many other things in cannabis that add to its effects though...
I saw some nearly pure THC crystals online recently, apparently it actually had a pretty smooth/ uplifting high which surprised me.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: musiclover420]
#23756137 - 10/20/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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my brain fills in senetences in my head the only thing i can do is run run run and fast once a week to much sensory overload and tummy aches from extacy
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Blabble40]
#23761357 - 10/22/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Blabble40 said: Yeah a lot of these shops just label the weed anything. That's what the employees do... They even use the same label for different kinds of weed. The clever names pot have are just arbitrary.
You go to some bunk shops then. There are very distinct differences between strains and anyone experienced growing or using cannabis knows those differences. If I go into a shop and I see flowers labeled "Girl Scout Cookies" (random example) I will know damn well if they are lying and I will call them out on it.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Konyap]
#23761363 - 10/22/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Konyap said: my brain fills in senetences in my head the only thing i can do is run run run and fast once a week to much sensory overload and tummy aches from extacy
Exercise increases endocannabinoid levels, that's why running gives you a similar high to smoking herb.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Ran-D]
#23766053 - 10/24/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My "Moby Dick" shatter is 6% cbd so i've been happy with that (and 66% thc)
And i do believe theres alot of confusion regarding strains. As long as testing for pesticides or not using them, still safe tho
And yes GSC and SD, you can tell when specific strains like that are not what they should be. I dont know if the shops even truly know the history of their plants, maybe thats the problem. People in legal and illegal states do still sell random name strains and in some cases do use pesticide (even trusted dispensaries)
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Fractal420]
#23766417 - 10/24/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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place i generally pick up casual amounts for non projects grows everything on site.
if i am getting a larger amount it is usually 1 hand away from the grower.
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The thing is even the same clone can preform differently from grow to grow and grower to grower. Genetics are half and environment is the other half. Environment changes from grow to grow, unless you are extremely dialed in and that is expensive.
A long time ago a friend brought back seeds from the dam. He open pollinated them and passed out bud with at least F2 seeds. I gave away a female, grew some out and traded a nug for what someone unknown to me grew of the seeds. What I traded for was heady as hell. Smelled so rank and had jumping trichs. Nothing like what any of us produced. Was told it was organic. Not sure if it was the organics or the pheno, perhaps both but it was beyond dank.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23767487 - 10/24/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: The thing is even the same clone can preform differently from grow to grow and grower to grower. Genetics are half and environment is the other half. Environment changes from grow to grow, unless you are extremely dialed in and that is expensive.
Clones don't vary much, they are either grown good or bad. The growing methods can vary greatly but even then the same genetics will still yield similiar results.
The quality might vary but the buds genetics are the same. Potency might differ as well as taste but it is still the same strain...
People grow clones outdoors and get similiar results even in completely different areas As long as its suitable they will grow.
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A long time ago a friend brought back seeds from the dam. He open pollinated them and passed out bud with at least F2 seeds. I gave away a female, grew some out and traded a nug for what someone unknown to me grew of the seeds. What I traded for was heady as hell. Smelled so rank and had jumping trichs. Nothing like what any of us produced. Was told it was organic. Not sure if it was the organics or the pheno, perhaps both but it was beyond dank.
That is completely different though, of course open pollinated seeds can have drastically different phenos, and different genetics grown by different methods will yield a much different result...
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: musiclover420]
#23767518 - 10/24/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No.
That is why you look and research online there are huge differences in THC content of the same exact clones at dispensaries. There are far too,many different ways to feed plants that affect potency. Cloudy days and rainfall very from outdoor location to outdoor location. Uv levels very much affect potency.
Just because someone tested a clone at 31% THC doesn't mean that clone will always perform as such. It's a fact.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23767542 - 10/24/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: No.
That is why you look and research online there are huge differences in THC content of the same exact clones at dispensaries. There are far too,many different ways to feed plants that affect potency. Cloudy days and rainfall very from outdoor location to outdoor location. Uv levels very much affect potency.
Just because someone tested a clone at 31% THC doesn't mean that clone will always perform as such. It's a fact.
Did I say that? Just becouse one clone was grown to have 20% THC and one was grown to have 15% doesn't mean they are different strains...
Plants potency varies, even wild plants have varying amounts of chemicals usually. Dispensary weed is tested individually, they don't just look strains up and say "well this is that strain so it must have this % THC, CBD, ETC"... Even veggies/ food will have varying amounts of nutrition, that doesn't mean much except that plants vary 
The clone isn't what is varying it is the growing conditions that change the clones outcome. Even then it usually isn't a huge difference. 
There is a huge leap between "cannabis varies plant to plant" and "we have no idea what kind of cannabis we're buying"...
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: musiclover420]
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Glad we agree!
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: psychobla]
#23769426 - 10/25/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is wide variety of plants with 1 to 1 thc/cbd ratio....just do the search.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Blabble40]
#23769486 - 10/25/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Blabble40 said: Yeah a lot of these shops just label the weed anything. That's what the employees do... They even use the same label for different kinds of weed. The clever names pot have are just arbitrary.
Yeah, that seems to be pretty prevalent. And I think the point is that even a lot of well intended labeling to totally inaccurate. People get alkaloid content listed from a test, but its seeming to be unrelated to genetic heritage in these highly selected high thc strains. The "sativa" Jamaican Lambsbread actually being an almost pure indica plant, as the article mentions as an example.
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#23771018 - 10/25/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It will take a lot of DNA testing to know what is really in varieties of cannabis. There are a lot of mystery parents that have played into modern strains. Who knows for sure as cannabis involves some of the biggest liars playing their 'who's got the biggest pair' games.
-------------------- "in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur" In filth it will be found in dung it will be found
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23771483 - 10/25/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So much
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Re: We Have No Idea What Kind Of Cannabis We’re Buying [Re: Morel Guy]
#23771604 - 10/25/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Morel Guy said: It will take a lot of DNA testing to know what is really in varieties of cannabis. There are a lot of mystery parents that have played into modern strains. Who knows for sure as cannabis involves some of the biggest liars playing their 'who's got the biggest pair' games.
I've seen interactive charts
it's really not that hidden
it's just they can't list every single strain so a description will have two strains while the chart will have like 5-6 branching paths
and even if there is some odd fellow if you follow mendelins laws it still takes like 3 generations before that dna is hardcoded into the plant
Edited by Konyap (10/25/16 09:56 PM)
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