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Possible laughing gym? Id Help
    #23752138 - 10/19/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Found these in the grass in multiple clumps surrounding a tree stump. The caps are 4-6 inches on the larger ones. What do you think?


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23752193 - 10/19/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

do you see any blue/green bruising in places of damage on them?


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23752204 - 10/19/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He has pictures of the stipe which is split. There seems to be no bruising


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #23752210 - 10/19/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

he could have just split it for the photo, bruising is slow to appear on gyms in my experience


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: doctorghosty]
    #23752218 - 10/19/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't know, we don't get them here so all I got is pictures for comparison :sad:

hopefully OP replies soon


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23752220 - 10/19/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It has been about 8 hours the stem has darkened but no bruising like i have seen in the one species am familiar with. Also I smelled the split stem and to me it reminds me of beer.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23752225 - 10/19/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also I forgot to mention I am on the east coast in the tristate area.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23752245 - 10/19/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The stipe looks barrel shaped and not even and since there is a lack of bruising I would say Gymnopilus ventricosus as it's commonly mistaken for G. junonious although keep in that bruising does not always occur in G. junonious

I found this thread which might be useful

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15244550

There is also speculation that there are two groups of G. junonious, one which is active and one which is not

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Even though many mushroom enthusiasts state that this mushroom is inactive on the west coast of the USA, "I found a patch that were highly hallucinogenic in the west coast (Joust), this confusion is usually becuase of a misidentifacation between G. ventricosus and G. junonius/spectabilis in which the former does not contain the hallucinogenic compounds psilocybin, psilocin, beaocystin, and norbeaocystin.
Studies need to be done to determine that there aren't actually two groups of junonius; ones that are active and ones that are not. Some speculate that there is two separate species, G. junonius and G. spectabilis.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #23752401 - 10/19/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I put a peace of stem in the fridge to see if i get any bruising. Has anyone heard anything about cooking a peace to make it bruise. And im also thinking about a cheap eBay USB microscope.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis] * 1
    #23752951 - 10/19/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Also I forgot to mention I am on the east coast in the tristate area.





I bet your Gyms are active then, I think the ones that are active on the east coast, aren't on the west coast, or something like that.


Green/blue staining is not always observed on active Gymopilus collections, so it's best to learn what Gymnopilus mushrooms look like so you don't eat some less than worthy mushroom.:grin:


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: Lucis]
    #23755023 - 10/20/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Is that a confirmation they defiantly are some kind of gym? If so does drying them really decrease potency? Can anyone confirm the beer smell?


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23759245 - 10/21/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23759250 - 10/21/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I need a more definite without a doubt confirmation.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23759587 - 10/21/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23759608 - 10/21/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Taste a piece and see if they are very bitter (reminiscent of ear wax).

Feel free to spit it out after you check.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: canid]
    #23759619 - 10/21/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They look what I know to be gyms only difference is they curl up a bit more on the ends of the cap, could just be the genetics of the local area type thing? They do taste bitter. --- --- --- (not an expert) --- --- ---


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: GewdGawlly]
    #23759635 - 10/21/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I touched my tung with it a second it was a little earwax like but idk im a little paranoid to chew it.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23759640 - 10/21/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You needn't be but i understand entirely. After about 20 years I still wash my hands after I handle mushrooms likely to contain amatoxins even though there's no danger.

Here we're just trying to distinguish between similar active or inactive Gymnopilus species.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: canid]
    #23759656 - 10/21/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I chewed a tiny wet peace it may have been slightly bitter but not as bad as ear wax. It did remind me of the taste or smell of roses.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23760467 - 10/22/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I chewed a tiny wet peace it may have been slightly bitter but not as bad as ear wax. It did remind me of the taste or smell of roses.



Consider a cup of mushroom hot and sour soup - has always range from palatable to quite good -  the hot and acid balance well with Gym


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: gman]
    #23763167 - 10/23/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23763170 - 10/23/16 03:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Unless you want to send samples out for microscopy or sequencing I think you know about as much as you're likely to without bioassay or finding more specimens that exhibit bluing


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23763171 - 10/23/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

good news and bad news i went back this morning and they cut there grass everything was pretty much decimated but i found a few juveniles that looked like porchinies and the caps def tasted like ear wax i will post pic later. and i may go with a shovel an liberate the root they are growing from and patch it up like i was never there. sorry if i seem semi illiterate im tiered.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23763174 - 10/23/16 03:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

before i actually eat anything i will post microscope pics of the spores and read mushrooms demystified. right now im just taking samples.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23763177 - 10/23/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also i might be interested in sending out spore samples or what have you. it might be nice to trade.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23763183 - 10/23/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23763186 - 10/23/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you haven't brushed up yet on mushroom microscopy, consider this a decent place to start: http://www.mushroomexpert.com/microscope_sections.html

Definitely wait 24 hours between bumps here though.

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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23763188 - 10/23/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

went back this morning the grass was cut but i found a few juveniles that look like mini yellow orange porcine mushrooms and i tasted a cap and it def tasted like earwax.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23764753 - 10/23/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I like powdering it and putting it into capsules my stomach feels better that way.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #23764761 - 10/23/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also i have confirmed the bitter taste. I will post more pics in a few days and eventually a microscope pic of the spores.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #24026684 - 01/20/17 08:16 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

I still haven't tried these things because I haven't got a microscope yet.I have never been so sure that I found something active till I found these but im still paranoid to try them. These would be the first mushroom that I have picked and consumed. How should I try these should I take a small amount say 1/4 or half a gram encase somehow they are mis identified?


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    #24026688 - 01/20/17 08:16 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: canid]
    #24026969 - 01/20/17 10:35 PM (7 years, 10 days ago)

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I still haven't tried these things because I haven't got a microscope yet.I have never been so sure that I found something active till I found these but im still paranoid to try them. These would be the first mushroom that I have picked and consumed. How should I try these should I take a small amount say 1/4 or half a gram encase somehow they are mis identified?



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Unless you want to send samples out for microscopy or sequencing I think you know about as much as you're likely to without bioassay or finding more specimens that exhibit bluing



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Definitely wait 24 hours between bumps here though.

All the best.




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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: fliksis]
    #24027889 - 01/21/17 10:58 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

There are NO poisonous Gymnopilus species if you want to eat the things just do it.


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: Ran-D]
    #24031096 - 01/22/17 04:41 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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There are NO poisonous Gymnopilus species if you want to eat the things just do it.




What about the neurotoxic oligoisoprenoid gymnopilin that's been found in gymns?


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: Hammer92]
    #24034745 - 01/23/17 10:44 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

What about oligoisoprenoids I cant find much specific info on them?


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    #24034930 - 01/24/17 12:47 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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There are NO poisonous Gymnopilus species if you want to eat the things just do it.




What about the neurotoxic oligoisoprenoid gymnopilin that's been found in gymns?



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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #24036528 - 01/24/17 04:28 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I don't think gymnopilins are anything to worry about but look it up there's some interesting research on how they act in the body


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Re: Possible laughing gym? [Re: Ran-D]
    #24037208 - 01/24/17 08:32 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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if you want to eat the things just do it.




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