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pantherpattern
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#23751196 - 10/19/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello people,
I'm new to this site, but I already read many of your articles and I was directed to your forum many times and there's really educating and entertaining stuff on here (the level section of different strong trips are very interesting and funny to read). I'm german, so please forgive any mistakes in spelling!
So before I start, I'm not really sure If I should try to take shrooms. First off, it would be a group decision, everybody must say yes, as we don't wanna force anybody to do something that we don't know and that could go wrong! So let me explain the setting I live in atm:
It's beginning to get colder, winter is coming, so I can't do it outside wiTh my friends, because it is, independent of time and weather, really cold outside. I also can't do it in my home, because I don't want my family to see me in this kind of state, nor my friends, especially if something goes wrong
I had many experiences with cannabis and alcohol. These basic two drugs were the only drugs I took in my life, in the circle of my friends it was/is a big rule to never do anything but these two things. The first time I smoked weed it was cool for some minuts, but after a short while I beginn to feel the nausea and had to vomit multiple times. My friends did well. The second time I smoked by other friend vomited like hell, I felt really good actualy and it was my strongest high on cannabis I ever head probably. Anyway when he had to puke, I felt bad and almost had to throw up again. In the end I didn't. The third time my friends had their best experience, I again felt nausea coming up, didn't have to puke but still, it really ruins the experience when you want to feel good and bonded to your music, nature, friends and feelings and all the thoughts in your head are "don't puke!". And even if I wanted to, I just couldn't. Theres always that small gap between vomiting and not, that I can't overcome. It's nothing mental, I urge to puke, but I can't. So I smoked many times more after this, trying more weak cannabis, but in bigger doses, what made a really great affect. I was high like hell, but nausea didn't come up. I only have nausea when I take strong stuff, or my set and setting sucks. The mentioned first two times where at night, in some cold, dirty, underground basement, no wonder I felt like shit. The third time though was at my place, we were outside, sun shined and my mother was serving me and my friends breakfest. I couldn't eat, because I felt the nausea coming up again, and I had the thoughts about throwing up in my head all the time, what really kills the experience. Another time it was night, cold like hell again and no wonder I almost had to puke. In all scenarious, the only thing that helped was warmth, and sleep. I just slept through the nausea. My friends never felt like vomiting ever again, 2 of them had never felt it, one only the second time. So I only smoke "weak" cannabis, not the strong one or brown (aphganian), so all goes well. I also prefer doing it outside, because when I'm inside I always fearing I could throw up and hit the floor or the couch or something.
I never had to puke on alcohol, though I can drink much of it.
So basically, I'm someone who somehow throws up easily when confronted with some things. I never felt nausea on alcohol, but depending on strenght and setting I felt nauseus in 50% of my cannabis experiences. I informed myself a bit about shrooms and as I can tell it's something really cool and inspiring, bringing awesome visuals and feelings to your head. But I'm really afraid of throwing up, because I HATE throwing up, and I even hate more the feeling of nausea, as I can't let it just happen, I don't know what it is, it just doens't work... So I would feel bad all the time (when I do feel bad when smoking pot, I'm always waiting for the blessed ending of the trip, so the nausea stops), had constant fear to vomit and wouldn't experience any cool mystical stuff or any great visuals, only panic and fear...
So, what are your thoughts on this? Should I start shrooms (only with my friends of course)? Should I just stick to weed? I'm really afraid something bad happens, how can I ease my mind? How can I calm down beforehand, so my expectations are not untrusty, fearing expectations, but good and hopefull wishes about a cool trip and about an adventure into my own mind? How about set and setting? What are the best places to do shrooms? I can't do it at home for sure. Any suggestions? Should I inform myself a little more?
Thanks for reading!
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HamHead
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Re: Starting (moved) [Re: cronicr]
#23752014 - 10/19/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 Interesting.
Welcome to the Shroomery!
Do you have a camera and can you post pics of some of the cannabis you're smoking?
Psychedelics aren't for everyone.
I personally don't recall ever feeling like I needed to purge on cannabis, but I've been smoking daily for years. If the cannabis you're smoking is making you feel nausea, I would recommend finding better quality cannabis and just smoke much less until you either get used to the effects and get over the nausea, or keep getting nausea and realize you shouldn't be smoking cannabis.
Cannabis and mushrooms are two very different drugs. Mushrooms can produce similar effects to cannabis in lower doses, like a stoned feeling but not really tripping or visual distortion, but once you get into medium-high doses of mushrooms, the differences can not compare. IMO
The choice is yours, you can eat the mushroom if you choose. All you need is the courage to eat them. The uncomfortable physical feelings are there as a reminder that you are in a physical body that needs its own things. We all suffer in life. I feel that suffering is needed and should be recognized.
Many people have a fear of eating mushrooms, even after having eaten many doses, because of these uncomfortable feelings, usually during the first hours or so during the come up. There are many threads about trying to eliminate nausea with a few different methods like teas, chocolates, capsules, juice mixes, etc that work for people.
I personally find that powdered mushroom gulped down with room temp water has worked best for me, lately. If I start to feel discomfort, I start to hum or sing or chant. For some reason, this chanting takes my mind off of my physical discomfort and puts me in a more relaxed state. The discomfort can become humbling and is in some ways, part of the experience as a whole.

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Re: Starting (moved) [Re: HamHead]
#23752822 - 10/19/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, you know, I never thought I'd find anyone on this earth so similar to me in this area, but wow we have a lot in common here!
So, just to get things straight, you've only smoked weed a small handful of times? Maybe you just need more experience with it?
Let me start off by saying I am probably MUCH more experienced with smoking weed than you are. I've been smoking weed daily since roughly 6 and a half years ago. In the beginning, I would puke almost half the times I smoked weed. I now (and then) mostly blame it on my anxiety. Even to this day, my anxiety is linked to weed (not really so much anymore) and puking (still strongly linked). Every night me and my friends who I smoked with would hang out. I would usually eat dinner and then go meet them and smoke. I began to get super nauseous and anxious around dinner time, and it really affected my eating. I noticed that what stopped the nausea was being high, but all the time leading up to getting high I'd be so anxious and nauseous and I'd throw up sometimes. If I got high quick enough before the puke, I wouldn't need to puke.
Then, for a very long time, most of the time I got high, I wouldn't feel nauseous at all, and over the years I've actually used weed to help my nausea (a small handful of times, I'd say weed literally saved me from puking). But, every now then (and I don't know what it is) I'll smoke and get a nauseous feeling from it. I've actually been noticing lately that its been happening more often again. I think it could be because my tolerance for weed has dropped A LOT since I started smoking a lot less to drink instead. Now I just smoke one bong hit and I get super high, and I think the body high makes me a little anxious and eventually makes me nauseous.
This could all be (and probably is) just an individual case and may be very different to yours. But almost everyone I've ever met that smokes weed never gets nauseous from weed. I read somewhere on the internet recently that , in our brains, we actually have a "vomit centre". For some cannabis users, weed eases this "vomit centre", but for a small percentage of other cannabis users, it can actually aggravate the "vomit centre". So, maybe you're just in that small percentage. However, if you can learn anything from my story, I personally believe that A LOT of the reasoning behind puking is how you treat your body (is your body healthy, do you eat healthy foods or shitty foods all the time, things like that), and how you think about it. A lot of the time, especially when I'm high, I'll feel super nauseous JUST because I'm thinking about it so much. Sometimes I'll be high and nauseous, and something will catch my full attention for 2 minutes, and then I'll notice that I'm nowhere near as nauseous as I just was JUST because I wasn't thinking about it. Trust me, I know EXACTLY what you mean with things like some things you're confronted with can make you puke, and you HATE puking, etc. We're very similar like this (unfortunately haha). Message me, maybe we can talk further about it and see if we can help each other!
As for your actual question about the shrooms, I have a few things to say. First of all, the more you educate yourself the better, just don't read too much into bad trips, don't look for things that are gonna scare you. But seriously, being more informed about what you're doing is a safer thing to do! If you wanna do shrooms or not, its totally your choice. I do have to say that weed and shrooms are really different from each other, I wouldn't relate mushrooms to weed at all really IMO. Set and setting are extremely important with psychedelics, make sure you are somewhere that won't scare you or make you uneasy. Also, make sure you are in a good mood and have a positive/relaxed mental state before going into the trip. Another really important thing to know is that, you should have a positive outlook on life in general. I wouldn't advise taking shrooms if your life isn't going well but you're just having a good day. Its a lot better when your whole life is good and nothing is subconsciously worrying you. If you're afraid something bad will happen, BREATHE and try your best to calm down. Do ANYTHING that you think will make you calm down. It also helps to have others tripping with you, or a sober trip sitter with you, so that if you start getting bad vibes, they can keep you grounded and remind you everything is ok and you just took some mushrooms and you'll be normal again soon. I would recommend starting with a low dose, something around 2 grams is a good dose for a first timer. And lastly, puke if you need to. Listen to your body. If you're SO nauseous and its completely taking over your mind, just puke man. When I had my bad trip, my stomach was upset for a lot of it and I was so nauseous, and looking back on it, I wonder if puking would have turned it all around. But thats another story ... lol
In the end, just do what you're really comfortable with, stay relaxed and listen to your inner voice. If your inner voice is telling you that maybe you're not ready for shrooms, then maybe you aren't ready. If its saying you are, then maybe you are. Maybe try learning some breathing exercises, or learn meditation, as these are proven ways to reduce anxiety and worrying. If you master these skills, even if things go wrong on shrooms (or even weed), you can use those skills to save you.
Cheers!
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pantherpattern
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Wow! I wouldn't have thought that I get so good answers. So to the first answer, yes, I didn't smoke weed too often. Maybe a dozen times. I think it's really about the quality of weed (in my case!), because the first few times it was Amnesia Haze, and it really didn't look well. It didn't really kick in, all I got was a headache and nausea. But the good (normal / Ordinary) weed was way better. I never felt ANY nausea, even once when I drank a whole box of milk beforehand, and I got really high from it. It's kind of some fact that's set down in my mind:
"If you smoke the ordinary weed, you won't get nausea! If you smoke the stronger weed, you'll get nausea!"
Kind of strange, huh? Still it kinda is that way. It's like the automatic answer of my brain on the question: "Will this weed make me feel nauseous?"
I don't have anything of the weed that makes me nauseous, so I can't take a picture of it, but the next time I get my usual weed, I can make a picture of that, if it would help!
I won't give up so fast on psychedelics!
To the second message:
I knew there must be somebody out there who would have the same problem as me, and I'm glad I found him!
Yeah I have smoked weed a handful of times, as mentioned above, about a dozen times. Yeah, maybe I hadn't enough experience with it, but I think it really depends on the quality of it. In my country weed isn't legal, and the black market stuff is a mystery itself. It may contain lead, or diverse plastics. This is just my thought tho! As you said, maybe I need more experiences with weed to make a better opinion, search for more reasons and so on.
And yes, I think informing on bad trip stuff would only create an anxious basic attitude towards shrooms, so I'll eventually read about the good trips now!
Feeling good about life? I think I feel good about life in general, but having a bad day today (some dumb kid took my umbrella because I sat down on his place at the bus stop) I can't really state anything right now haha. Also my dad doesn't feel too good right now and I have never seen him in a state like this so that kinda drags me down too. Also pressure of school of course, even if I handle it relaxed most of the time.
So would I take shrooms now? Never, I don't think that going into my stressed out and depressed mind right now is a good idea, especially for a first time, as the first impression probably decides if I take shrooms again or not! What I also have to say is, that in winter I generally feel kind of sad and bad mooded, everything is cold and dark, and the amount of T-shirts in my closet versus the amount of jackets clearly say that I'm a 100% summer person.
So if I would make the decision to take shrooms, I would wait for summer anyway.
But is my life good overall? I think yes. I don't live in a poor environment, I have a great family and also very good and trustworthy friends. All of them I trust like they are my brothers. I don't suffer from any psychologic or physical disability and usually have a good time with my friends and family. Music is of all hobbies and interest the most valuable in my life I guess, art and creativity are things that kind of lead my life. And they always have led it.
So my inner voice kind of tells me "wait for the right moment", still I'm very curious about it! So I will wait.
I heard about those meditation skills before, but never checked it out. Maybe I should!
Anyway, thanks for all the great tips and responses, it's really cool hanging out with people who have in some way the same interests, worries and expectations as you...
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I get what you mean with the whole less quality vs. high quality weed thing, and I would agree that getting lower quality weed would be a safer choice. Like I said before, for me my nausea is linked to my anxiety. So sometimes I'll smoke really dank weed, and my body and nerves will just buzz so hard that it'll make me a bit anxious, and then of course a bit nauseous. So ya, like HamHead said, either stick with low quality weed, or smoke high quality weed in really small amounts and slowly climb your way up as you get used to it! It works for me! And also, maybe you just had an off day those times you were feeling nauseous, and it could have fucked up your first impressions on weed. For the most part tho, weed usually help nausea, its all a mental thing, so as long as you don;t worry about it, and can control it calmly if it pops up, you should be fine!
As for shrooms, you seem to be a pretty level headed person. It seems like you know what can affect your mood in a negative way, which is good. As long as you can keep the negative stuff out of your head for a few hours while you trip, you'd be fine to trip! Like, if you decide to trip in the winter, just trip inside with some friends you're comfortable with your music and stuff. Who knows, maybe you'll find the snow trippy and beautiful and you'll get a whole new outlook on winter! My point is, I know before I said be careful, but don't be TOO careful. Don't be so careful that you start to worry about every little thing about tripping. Just take the safety precautions that everyone here suggests: make sure you're set and setting is as perfect as it can be, have some fellow trippers or a trip sitter with you, and surround yourself with good vibes and don't worry about anything. You said you're inner voice is saying wait for the right moment, I think that's good advice, but just be aware that you could be stuck thinking that forever. You may think there's never a "right time" because, well lets be real, how often is our entire life perfect? Not very often! haha. Just take the dive when you feel most ready!
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