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Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns?
    #23750755 - 10/18/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Any theories?


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 14
    #23750761 - 10/18/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He doesn't want people to see that he wrote off the purchase of his wife as a business expense


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23750763 - 10/18/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:lolsy:

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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23750765 - 10/18/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because whatever is on his tax returns can be used as a focal point of the election, and he has better control of the situation by not releasing them. It might not be as horrible as people are making it out to be at all, but no matter what it would be used against him for being too rich, for not paying taxes because of this loop hole or that, for losing too much money in some years, for gaining too much others.

Nothing in his tax returns is under less speculation than not releasing them at all.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23750781 - 10/18/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He's doing an Obama.

He's going to slow-walk it to the last minute, then release it.  my guess is there won't be any world-shattering revelations that people know about so this will cast a bad light in the other direction.  Obama used this technique with his birth certificate.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: starfire_xes] * 2
    #23750789 - 10/18/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He probably doesn't want people knowing that not only is he still not paying taxes, but he's also getting extremely large refunds.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: thebug76]
    #23750807 - 10/18/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

interesting theories that i never considered.

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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23750816 - 10/18/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cause he has lost a lot of money. Not as much as he has gained but probably incredible numbers.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23750830 - 10/18/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because they'll provide irrefutable proof that he couldn't make a Dakota fire pit to save his life


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: tdubz]
    #23750832 - 10/18/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I bet the numbers are absurd.

Im curious to how absurd thou....


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23750833 - 10/18/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well he had to do reality television for a while if that's any indicator.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23750854 - 10/19/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

had to?

What do mean "had to"?


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23750885 - 10/19/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know exactly what are on tax returns but maybe it is becouse he/they don't want everyone seeing how much money he has tied up with the Clinton's & others.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23750911 - 10/19/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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had to?

What do mean "had to"?



It was a joke. I assume he did the show voluntarily in reality.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23750975 - 10/19/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, that would be crazy!

To Patrick: That joke flew right over my head. my bad....


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23751018 - 10/19/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He is either not as rich as he says is he doesn't make as much charitable donations as he says he does imo


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23751029 - 10/19/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

cause he takes his tax returns and he grabs them by the pussy come on man get a grip


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23751080 - 10/19/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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He is either not as rich as he says is he doesn't make as much charitable donations as he says he does imo




I thought this was common knowledge :lol: "charitable donations" to himself maybe :wink:


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23751160 - 10/19/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Charitable donations as in donating money to women he grabbed by the pussy so they keep real quiet.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23751217 - 10/19/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It was an issue once, but it's not anymore. His VP choice has a better chance of winning than he does, and they are both zero percent. I have been following this stupid political shit since way into the 60's and never has a political party turned their back on their own candidate, and tried to fuck him.

      Why has he not released his tax returns? Because he's a crook, but that's not unique. They're all crooks. So there are far bigger reasons why he's unelectable.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23751264 - 10/19/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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He is either not as rich as he says is he doesn't make as much charitable donations as he says he does imo




How rich does he say he is?

How much has he claimed he donated?

:popcorn:

As for theories, it's irrelevant, Romney released his and democrats still called him a tax cheat, they accuse every republican of being a tax cheat. The tax thing is red meat for low information democrat voters, it keeps them from having to focus on the democrat nominee, who is usually of much worse "moral" character


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23751630 - 10/19/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

politically tainted, we are. :yoda2:


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: tdubz]
    #23751735 - 10/19/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause he has lost a lot of money. Not as much as he has gained but probably incredible numbers.



If you lose less than you make, then you didn't lose any money you made money. :lol:
I.e $20-$5+$7=$22
See? Money was made, not lost.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23751761 - 10/19/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause he has lost a lot of money. Not as much as he has gained but probably incredible numbers.



If you lose less than you make, then you didn't lose any money you made money. :lol:
I.e $20-$5+$7=$22
See? Money was made, not lost.




43,371,489 - 915,729,293=-872,357,804

See? Money was lost, not made. 872 million was lost, to be exact.



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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods] * 2
    #23751933 - 10/19/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause he has lost a lot of money. Not as much as he has gained but probably incredible numbers.



If you lose less than you make, then you didn't lose any money you made money. :lol:
I.e $20-$5+$7=$22
See? Money was made, not lost.




43,371,489 - 915,729,293=-872,357,804

See? Money was lost, not made. 872 million was lost, to be exact.






Sounds like he used the shitty tax laws democrats wrote to his advantage, good for him

It's okay, democrats raised taxes on the middle class to make up for it


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23751965 - 10/19/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No, he lost 872 million dollars


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23758345 - 10/21/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In one year, short term. Investments don't pay off instantly. Sometimes you lose in the short term, sometimes you gain in the short term. What matters is, did you make money in the long term? :facepalm: Hence, my example. How much did he make/lose in the years preceding and following that year?
Good job proving that he lost money one year. Seriously, bravo!
Now, following me example. Take his profits from other years, then subtract those losses... and, GASP... MONEY gained, not lost. SEE?


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: greencrush420] * 1
    #23758396 - 10/21/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm no tax expert, but it seems to me that when Trump, and everyone else, writes off loses for "depreciation" they are writing off unrealized losses.

The value of his assets depreciated, but he didn't sell them at that lower value. He wrote off theoretical losses, and used that to avoid paying taxes on real gains. At least that is my uneducated understanding of the situation. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Either way I don't blame Trump for taking advantage of the fucked up tax laws. I blame the politicians who wrote those laws in exchange for kick backs (from Trump).


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #23758413 - 10/21/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well, there you go saying what I am trying to get across in a much more clear and concise manner.
That's what I was trying to get at with the whole, "return on investment is not instant" thing, and the babble about long term gains and losses.
I provided a very kindergarten, dumbed down math example to explain this earlier, but it sailed right over their heads. Probably because I was doing such a poor idea of articulating the concept in economic terms.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23758435 - 10/21/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No, he lost 872 million dollars




Where did u get that super rare document????


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: greencrush420]
    #23758582 - 10/21/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No, he lost 872 million dollars




Where did u get that super rare document????



I was wondering the same thing. Is that legit?

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Well, there you go saying what I am trying to get across in a much more clear and concise manner.
That's what I was trying to get at with the whole, "return on investment is not instant" thing, and the babble about long term gains and losses.
I provided a very kindergarten, dumbed down math example to explain this earlier, but it sailed right over their heads. Probably because I was doing such a poor idea of articulating the concept in economic terms.



Nah man I got what you were saying. Even Trump admits that its a bullshit loophole made for rich people like him to exploit.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: ModestMouse] * 2
    #23758690 - 10/21/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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He doesn't want people to see that he wrote off the purchase of his wife as a business expense





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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23758716 - 10/21/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No, he lost 872 million dollars




Where did u get that super rare document????



That was leaked to the NYT last month. Rumor has it his ex wife gave it to them.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23758726 - 10/21/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause he has lost a lot of money. Not as much as he has gained but probably incredible numbers.



If you lose less than you make, then you didn't lose any money you made money. :lol:
I.e $20-$5+$7=$22
See? Money was made, not lost.




43,371,489 - 915,729,293=-872,357,804

See? Money was lost, not made. 872 million was lost, to be exact.






Sounds like he used the shitty tax laws democrats wrote to his advantage, good for him

It's okay, democrats raised taxes on the middle class to make up for it




What kind of billionaire only has $10 million dollars of income? (Just for reference, that is like saying a millionaire only makes $10k a year. And 1995 was a year when everyone was making good money - except for trump)


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23759800 - 10/22/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting...

What is NYT? New York Times?


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #23760474 - 10/22/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Either way I don't blame Trump for taking advantage of the fucked up tax laws.





he's not taking advantage of them, he's following the tax laws, the same laws that
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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23760501 - 10/22/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Trump had 10 million in income and 916 million in loses. He's a fucking loser.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23760505 - 10/22/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What are the laws that she helped create that have helped her increase her wealth?


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods] * 1
    #23760506 - 10/22/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

thats a huge lose. I thought he was a billionaire? So confused....


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760509 - 10/22/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Isn't he being audited or under some type of investigation?  I'm sure his legal counsel I'd advising against releasing such documents.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760540 - 10/22/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump had 10 million in income and 916 million in loses. He's a fucking loser.




Then how does he afford his lifestyle? He should be homeless if he's that much of a loser.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #23760587 - 10/22/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Isn't he being audited or under some type of investigation?  I'm sure his legal counsel I'd advising against releasing such documents.



Why? Even if he's under audit, he can release his returns. Only his recent return would be under audit. He could release all the previous years under that theory. Regardless, he could release them. They are just too embarrassing too release. He's lying about a lot of things, and his returns would prove him to be lying. We already knows he owes 615 million to the Chinese government. Imagine what other sketchy shit is in there


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: qman]
    #23760589 - 10/22/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump had 10 million in income and 916 million in loses. He's a fucking loser.




Then how does he afford his lifestyle? He should be homeless if he's that much of a loser.




He has to run scams like trump university, taking the life savings of people for three days of information you could get using a google search.

The tax form clearly shows he only had about 10 million in income. That is totally separate from his loses. That's a decent amount of money. Anyone could live very well off that amount. What 10 million doesn't do is get you to a billion dollars in less than a century. Also, his earned interest shows that he only has about 125 million in the bank.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760593 - 10/22/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He owes China? Is it for that chinese steel that he supposely built his buildings with?


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23760597 - 10/22/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No, he took a loan from the bank of china to build a building.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760620 - 10/22/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Isn't he being audited or under some type of investigation?  I'm sure his legal counsel I'd advising against releasing such documents.



Why? Even if he's under audit, he can release his returns. Only his recent return would be under audit. He could release all the previous years under that theory. Regardless, he could release them. They are just too embarrassing too release. He's lying about a lot of things, and his returns would prove him to be lying. We already knows he owes 615 million to the Chinese government. Imagine what other sketchy shit is in there



Yeah I suppose that's a good a good point. He's undoubtedly  a prideful guy so I could totally imagine your assumption being accurate.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760623 - 10/22/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

huh.....

Trump borrowing money from the Chinese....how bizarre.

How fasicinating :popcorn:


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23760633 - 10/22/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you had a billion dollars, at a minimum you would expect your income in 1995 to be about $55 million dollars and that's if you took the lowest interest rates available that year.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760643 - 10/22/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol @ liberal logic.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: daytripper05]
    #23760648 - 10/22/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's real simple math.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760656 - 10/22/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

1995 was also the year he took his casinos public and he raised 140 million in the IPO, yet somehow he still wrote off 3000 in capital loses that year. And how'd that work out for stockholders? Their stock was worthless five years later.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760666 - 10/22/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If you had a billion dollars, at a minimum you would expect your income in 1995 to be about $55 million dollars and that's if you took the lowest interest rates available that year.




His net worth should have nothing to do with earned income in 1995, he's in real estate.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760668 - 10/22/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone who is considering voting for trump should read about his disatserous management of his casino business.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trumps-bad-bet-how-too-much-debt-drove-his-biggest-casino-aground/2016/01/18/f67cedc2-9ac8-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: qman]
    #23760673 - 10/22/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If you had a billion dollars, at a minimum you would expect your income in 1995 to be about $55 million dollars and that's if you took the lowest interest rates available that year.




His net worth should have nothing to do with earned income in 1995, he's in real estate.




He also ran a publicly traded company that operated three casinos. See above.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760680 - 10/22/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Documents and interviews show he left a legacy of bitterness among onetime proponents, including city officials, casino regulators and citizens. Some came to see that the giant Taj, while outwardly impressive, had little financial substance behind it. Steven P. Perskie, former chairman of the Casino Control Commission and a former state Democratic lawmaker, called it a “Potemkin village.”

Trump made promises to Atlantic City that he did not keep, Perskie said. “When I read and hear him say he was beloved in Atlantic City, that was before [the bankruptcy]. He remembers to perceive how he started, not how he was perceived when he left.”


The Taj bankruptcy was a corporate filing, as Trump has noted. But there was much overlap between Trump the corporation and Trump the man. He owned 100 percent of the casino, documents indicate. As the Taj tumbled, so did Donald Trump, documents show. He eventually gave up half of his stake in three casinos and sold off other holdings, including the 282-foot Trump Princess yacht.

Roger Gros, publisher of Global Gaming Business magazine in Las Vegas, witnessed Trump’s rise and fall in the casino business. He has tracked Trump’s presidential campaign. Gros said the version of events Trump shares on the campaign trail does not square with the events that unfolded a quarter-century ago in Atlantic City.

“His claims now just are not credible,” Gros said.




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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #23760938 - 10/22/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump had 10 million in income and 916 million in loses. He's a fucking loser.



My god, you're dense. :wow:
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I'm no tax expert, but it seems to me that when Trump, and everyone else, writes off loses for "depreciation" they are writing off unrealized losses.

The value of his assets depreciated, but he didn't sell them at that lower value. He wrote off theoretical losses, and used that to avoid paying taxes on real gains. At least that is my uneducated understanding of the situation. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Either way I don't blame Trump for taking advantage of the fucked up tax laws. I blame the politicians who wrote those laws in exchange for kick backs (from Trump).



I don't know how anyone could explain that he didn't lose any fucking money any more clearly.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: greencrush420]
    #23760948 - 10/22/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You don't know what that write off is for. I hardly think all of that 916 million is depreciated real estate. It could be anything worth writing off, including loses from his failing casino business.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760960 - 10/22/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You don't know what that write off is for. It could be anything



Exactly. Thanks for agreeing with me.
I knew we could find some common ground.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: greencrush420]
    #23760966 - 10/22/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

His loses were still 91 times greater than his income. Depreciated real estate value is still a loss even if it isn't realized in that tax year.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760976 - 10/22/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Feeble attempt at a refutation. You already agreed with me.


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: koods]
    #23760986 - 10/22/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Trump had 10 million in income and 916 million in loses. He's a fucking loser.




the clintons had the same problem on a smaller scale, clearly they're losers as well


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Re: Theories for why Trump hasnt release his tax returns? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23761003 - 10/22/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh, I already killed the thread. Now here you are giving it a chance for a comback.:rofl:


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